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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 1, 2019 19:54:20 GMT -5
I guess Billboard didn't do a Canadian Hot 100 decade chart? I believe it was a genuine mistake making some of the decade-end lists be available for public viewing, especially this early. They won't make the announcements official until the first week of December at least so we still have around 4-5 weeks of them compiling lists. I'm sure there'll be dozens of decade-end lists across all their charts and several metrics.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 1, 2019 19:57:12 GMT -5
Drake, along with being the Artist of the Decade, scored the most placements in the Hot 100 songs of the decade and Billboard 200 albums of the decade.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2019 2:32:04 GMT -5
Taylor Swift will still have #1 albums, but realize that an opening of 600k is going to be the new “big opening”. WTH it's already a HUGE opening
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2019 2:55:02 GMT -5
at Hello being #52 on hit list and 25 being #16 on albums. Hilarious.
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Post by Myth X on Nov 2, 2019 6:19:04 GMT -5
Billboard - Top 5 AOTD. 1990’s: • Mariah Carey • Janet Jackson • Garth Brooks • Boyz II Men • Celine Dion 2000’s: • Eminem • Usher • Nelly • Beyonce • Nickelback2010’s: • Drake • Taylor Swift • Bruno Mars • Rihanna • Adele Billboard has no Decade-End data for the 1970’s and 1980’s, unfortunately. We can assume that... • Michael Jackson, Madonna and Whitney Houston were the top three for the 1980’s. • The 1970’s were a mixture of Bee Gees, Donna Summer, Barbra Streisand, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Rod Stewart, Paul McCartney/WINGS etc. Alicia Keys was #5 for the 2000's. Nickelback was #7
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Post by tobichartmaster on Nov 2, 2019 6:38:35 GMT -5
To complete the top artist list on the first page a little more:
22. Lady Antebellum 29. Lil Wayne 44. Black Eyed Peas 46. Michael Bublé 49. Jason Derulo
So they went on with chart runs for the placements of the Billboard 200 top albums of the decade chart. Adele‘s fans bought 3,4 Million copies first week in the US. That was more than any other album sold globally to this date in 2015. It weights the same way the lowest selling #1 week of the decade. Than people listen to their copies and that has zero impact on the chart. Meanwhile a streaming force like Post streams his way to 3,4 Million smoothly because people have to go back to streaming services an hour later, a day later, 3 days later, a week later,... now he has the #5 and #6 album of the decade.
In conclusion: Lowest selling week of a #1 album this decade=Adele‘s 3,4 Million selling week<<<< an album that gets streamed smoothly over the weeks to 3,4 Million SPS
Not completely fair, but it is what it is.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2019 8:43:53 GMT -5
Bizarre to see Stoney so high on albums because it didn't even spend that many weeks in top ten let alone had actually sold super well. It does contain few long lasting hit singles but that's about it.
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Post by eidde on Nov 2, 2019 8:57:18 GMT -5
Bizarre to see Stoney so high on albums because it didn't even spend that many weeks in top ten let alone had actually sold super well. It does contain few long lasting hit singles but that's about it. 36 weeks isn't that many?
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 2, 2019 9:00:00 GMT -5
That much, lmao, sorry forgotten that.
I still believe it's wrong to put longevity ahead of actual consumption.
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Post by WolfSpear on Nov 2, 2019 10:22:19 GMT -5
Here's the thing:
The album market is the slowest we've seen since the Nielsen conversion. It's great that "Stoney" spent 36 weeks in the top 10, but you can't draw a comparison to 36 weeks in the 1990's or 2000's. It seems like every time I look at the Billboard 200 these days, the upper region barely moves and that's very different from days of old. You can score 20,000-30,000 in SPS and rank in the top 5 during any given week, especially when there's active song hitting the Hot 100.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 2, 2019 10:46:27 GMT -5
First month of 25 is bigger than any album in the top 10 (except for 21). 11x Platinum album is the #19 album of the decade...the biggest joke ever.
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 2, 2019 10:53:17 GMT -5
First month of 25 is bigger than any album in the top 10 (except for 21). 11x Platinum album is the #19 album of the decade...the biggest joke ever. Exactly! 💀 I completely agree. I still don’t understand how an album that spent 11 weeks at #1 / 36 weeks in the top 10 is at no. 19? I-
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 2, 2019 11:40:15 GMT -5
Billboard Top Artists
Taylor Swift 2010 – #2 2011 – #8 2012 – #3 2013 – #2 2014 – #4 2015 – #1 2016 – #16 2017 – #25 2018 – #4 2019 – ?
Drake 2010 – #10 2011 – #23 2012 – #4 2013 – #11 2014 – #16 2015 – #4 2016 – #3 2017 – #3 2018 – #1 2019 – ?
As for 2019, Drake has placed higher than Taylor 23 weeks (almost entirely before “Me!” was released) and Taylor was higher 21 weeks on the Artist 100 chart (and has consistently ranked higher since “Me!”). In this most recent week, Taylor is #6 and Drake #13, and without a new release from Drake, Taylor will ride out the year on top or on par. Drake is probably a little higher for 2019, but I can’t imagine by a big margin (please correct me if I’m wrong).
If you look at the Billboard’s ranking of the top artists of the year from this decade, Taylor seems to be the winner. She ranked higher than Drake for the first 6 years of the decade. Drake missed the top 10 three times, Taylor only twice. Each have a #1 ranking, but Taylor also has two #2 rankings. Using an inverse point system for these rankings, Taylor comes out on top. Additionally, Taylor starts and end’s the decade as one of the top artists ,where Drake didn’t really establish consistent dominance until the decade was half over. Taylor clearly lost out on not having her massive opening weeks counted as they should have (and really the many subsequent weeks after that her albums had huge numbers). She also loses out on not benefitting as much from the double dipping on the albums chart caused by streams being added to album totals on the chart which Drake heavily benefitted from. If digital sales had counted towards the album chart in the first half of the decade, Fearless, Speak Now, and Red would all have been even bigger on the album chart than they were.
I know I sound like a bitter fan, but honestly I’m not that invested in whether Taylor is #1 or #2. I am, however, convinced that the numbers show Taylor should be #1 for the decade, and as stated before Taylor has actually been dominant for the entirety of the decade. Billboard is frustrating with their lack of consistent methodology for rankings, and they have clearly weighted the latter half of the decade too high, illustrated by what seems like Post Malone’s unreasonably high rankings on the artist list and Billboard 200 list.
Also, I completely agree that 25 being #19 for the decade is just laughable. It is easily #2 or #3 (1989's longevity has been more impressive but overall SPS is lower).
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 2, 2019 11:53:10 GMT -5
Billboard Top Artists Taylor Swift 2010 – #2 2011 – #8 2012 – #3 2013 – #2 2014 – #4 2015 – #1 2016 – #16 2017 – #25 2018 – #4 2019 – ? Drake 2010 – #10 2011 – #23 2012 – #4 2013 – #11 2014 – #16 2015 – #4 2016 – #3 2017 – #3 2018 – #1 2019 – ? As for 2019, Drake has placed higher than Taylor 23 weeks (almost entirely before “Me!” was released) and Taylor was higher 21 weeks on the Artist 100 chart (and has consistently ranked higher since “Me!”). In this most recent week, Taylor is #6 and Drake #13, and without a new release from Drake, Taylor will ride out the year on top or on par. Drake is probably a little higher for 2019, but I can’t imagine by a big margin (please correct me if I’m wrong). If you look at the Billboard’s ranking of the top artists of the year from this decade, Taylor seems to be the winner. She ranked higher than Drake for the first 6 years of the decade. Drake missed the top 10 three times, Taylor only twice. Each have a #1 ranking, but Taylor also has two #2 rankings. Using an inverse point system for these rankings, Taylor comes out on top. Additionally, Taylor starts and end’s the decade as one of the top artists ,where Drake didn’t really establish consistent dominance until the decade was half over. Taylor clearly lost out on not having her massive opening weeks counted as they should have (and really the many subsequent weeks after that her albums had huge numbers). She also loses out on not benefitting from the double dipping on the albums chart caused by streams being added to album totals on the chart which Drake heavily benefitted from. If digital sales had counted towards the album chart in the first half of the decade, Fearless, Speak Now, and Red would all have been even bigger on the album chart than they were. I know I sound like a bitter fan, but honestly I’m not that invested in whether Taylor is #1 or #2. I am, however, convinced that the numbers show Taylor should be #1 for the decade, and as stated before Taylor has actually been dominant for the entirety of the decade. Billboard is frustrating with their lack of consistent methodology for rankings, and they have clearly weighted the latter half of the decade too high, illustrated by what seems like Post Malone’s unreasonably high rankings on the artist list and Billboard 200 list. Also, I completely agree that 25 being #19 for the decade is just laughable. It is easily #2 or #3 (1989's longevity has been more impressive but overall SPS is lower). Again... The Y/E artists charts have absolutely no reflection on the Decade-End charts. If that were the case: • Eminem would have not been the “AOTD” for the 00’s. He didn’t top the Y/E artists charts once between 1999-2009. Usher did twice, and yet he ranked at #2. 50 Cent did twice, and yet ranked at #6. Christina Aguilera also did twice, and yet she ranked at #20. • Adele would clearly be the “AOTD” for the 2010’s given that she’s topped the Y/E artists charts 4x, more than any other act between 2009-2019 and yet she’s ranked at #5. • Rihanna made more top three entries on the Y/E artists charts than Bruno Mars and yet she’s below him (albeit she hasn’t released for 1/3 of the decade). The Decade-End charts reflect the performance of artists on both the Hot 100 and BB200 primarily. Everything else, in actuality, is secondary. Rihanna and Drake were the biggest acts on the Hot 100 this decade. Taylor Swift doesn’t come close to either. On the other hand, Drake, Adele and Taylor Swift all had varying success on the BB200 this decade with two dominating the Digital era foremost and the other dominating the Streaming/SPS era.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 2, 2019 12:12:45 GMT -5
kierz7 ^ My argument was not about whether or not Billboard had used the top artists ranking. It was more that according to their own rankings for "Top Artist," it looks like Taylor should be #1, but then they switch up how they decide "Top Artist" which kind of throws all credibility out the window. Also Adele in no way should be #1. She did not even make the top 100 artists for several years.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 2, 2019 12:38:18 GMT -5
Here's the thing: The album market is the slowest we've seen since the Nielsen conversion. It's great that "Stoney" spent 36 weeks in the top 10, but you can't draw a comparison to 36 weeks in the 1990's or 2000's. It seems like every time I look at the Billboard 200 these days, the upper region barely moves and that's very different from days of old. You can score 20,000-30,000 in SPS and rank in the top 5 during any given week, especially when there's active song hitting the Hot 100. Albums actually spent longer top 10 in the 90s. Albums with most weeks top 10 by decade: 1990s: 1. Alanis Morissette — Jagged Little Pill: 72 2. Celine Dion — Falling Into You: 61 3. Hootie & the Blowfish — Cracked Rear View: 55 4. Shania Twain — Come On Over: 53 5. MC Hammer — Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em: 52 6. Wilson Phillips — Wilson Phillips: 52 7. Garth Brooks — Ropin' the Wind: 50 8. Mariah Carey — Mariah Carey: 49 9. Britney Spears — ...Baby One More Time: 48 10. Backstreet Boys — Backstreet Boys: 45 2010s: 1. Adele, 21, 84 weeks 2. Taylor Swift, 1989, 59 weeks 3. Ed Sheeran, ÷, 53 weeks 4. Post Malone, Beerbongs & Bentleys, 49 weeks 5. Ed Sheeran, x, 44 weeks 6. Frozen, OST, 41 weeks 6. Sam Smith, In The Lonely Hour, 41 weeks 6. twenty one pilots, Blurryface, 41 weeks 7.Bruno Mars, 24k Magic, 40 weeks 8. Post Malone, Stoney, 36 weeks 8. Adele, 25, 36 weeks 8. Kendrick Lamar, DAMN, 36 weeks 9. Drake, Views, 35 weeks 10. Rihanna, Anti, 33 weeks 10. Greatest Showman, OST, 33 weeks 10. Drake, Scorpion, 33 weeks They also weigh each year with a multiplier based on the average amount hit albums chart for to recognize the change in charting length.
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Post by born on Nov 2, 2019 14:32:28 GMT -5
The Hot 100 list is a joke. Not "Happier" being higher than "Shake It Off", "One Dance", "Hello" and other massive multi-week #1s.
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Post by survivorqt on Nov 2, 2019 14:46:20 GMT -5
This can’t be official
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Post by Lukas on Nov 2, 2019 15:20:14 GMT -5
It is (unfortunately) official as it is from the Billboard site.
The reason why Happier is so high is because Billboard is weighing 2019 higher than 2017/2018.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 2, 2019 15:23:34 GMT -5
It's so weird to see Happier in the top 100, not to mention top 50...
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Post by moonlite on Nov 2, 2019 15:35:37 GMT -5
I don't think he'll lose a lot of steam or nosedive, but I think he'll gradually slow down. I need him to drop another album to see, but if I could call it in at this very moment, beerbongs & bentleys is his biggest album with his biggest hit song. That's a pretty early peak. He also debuted in the middle of the decade and so his success will be spread across two decades. Drake will continue to enjoy massive commercial success until at least halfway into the 2020's decade. It all depends on how he evolves as an artist and if he even continues to release music into his 40's. He'll be 43 in 2029. Sunflower is already bigger than rockstar, it's #11 on the Decade End H100. I dont think more longevity = bigger hit. Those inverse decade end charts are basically which albums/songs had the most longevity
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Post by born on Nov 2, 2019 15:36:40 GMT -5
7/20 of the top 10 Hot 100 songs of the decade peaked in 2018 or 2019. Lol
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Post by tanooki on Nov 2, 2019 16:45:01 GMT -5
...I really don't understand why they did it like this
Their GOAT list could lose a lot of credibility if so many current songs are on the list. They were already pushing it having 3 songs in the top 10 that peaked this decade, and 4 from the last ten years alone (Uptown Funk, Party Rock Anthem, I Gotta Feeling, Shape of You) and Old Town Road will probably end up in the top 10 at this rate, leaving half the top 10 to be within a ten year timeframe without a single song from the 70s or 80s. It doesn't look good to people who don't closely follow charts (it doesn't even look good to us lmao)
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Post by moonlite on Nov 2, 2019 17:02:57 GMT -5
...I really don't understand why they did it like this Their GOAT list could lose a lot of credibility if so many current songs are on the list. They were already pushing it having 3 songs in the top 10 that peaked this decade, and 4 from the last ten years alone (Uptown Funk, Party Rock Anthem, I Gotta Feeling, Shape of You) and Old Town Road will probably end up in the top 10 at this rate, leaving half the top 10 to be within a ten year timeframe without a single song from the 70s or 80s. It doesn't look good to people who don't closely follow charts (it doesn't even look good to us lmao) Agreed. Just curious, what do you think would be the best way to formulate the decade end or the GOAT lists?
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Post by born on Nov 2, 2019 17:08:35 GMT -5
Hot 100 Decade End#36 - Radioactive Just noticed this. Eighty-seven fuckin' weeks on the Hot 100. What's going on
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Post by iHype. on Nov 2, 2019 17:12:06 GMT -5
I’m really surprised they still haven’t posted anything officially announcing the Decade End lists. I guess they really were revealed accidentally way too early. They must be hyperventilating lmao.
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Post by tanooki on Nov 2, 2019 17:33:59 GMT -5
...I really don't understand why they did it like this Their GOAT list could lose a lot of credibility if so many current songs are on the list. They were already pushing it having 3 songs in the top 10 that peaked this decade, and 4 from the last ten years alone (Uptown Funk, Party Rock Anthem, I Gotta Feeling, Shape of You) and Old Town Road will probably end up in the top 10 at this rate, leaving half the top 10 to be within a ten year timeframe without a single song from the 70s or 80s. It doesn't look good to people who don't closely follow charts (it doesn't even look good to us lmao) Agreed. Just curious, what do you think would be the best way to formulate the decade end or the GOAT lists? Using the inverse point system, 1-2 songs from each year I think would suffice.
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Post by Lukas on Nov 2, 2019 18:13:40 GMT -5
I really hope that the x0.85 switch on 8/11/2018 is just so that Billboard could end their charts earlier in September. If they waited until November, OTR and Sunflower would basically be at where they are right now with a x0.8 multiplier lmao. The #100 would also be Ho Hey under either one. I just hope they switch back to x0.8 when they update their all time lists.
It's basically safe to say that they've lost all of their credibility if the next update to the all time list is the same thing. 4 songs from this past year in the top 50? No way.
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 2, 2019 18:22:16 GMT -5
I’m really surprised they still haven’t posted anything officially announcing the Decade End lists. I guess they really were revealed accidentally way too early. They must be hyperventilating lmao. Maybe Monday? And do you think they’ll probably make changes to the original reveals?
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Post by Lukas on Nov 2, 2019 18:37:48 GMT -5
I’m really surprised they still haven’t posted anything officially announcing the Decade End lists. I guess they really were revealed accidentally way too early. They must be hyperventilating lmao. Maybe Monday? And do you think they’ll probably make changes to the original reveals? I don't think they will change the reveals unfortunately, unless they decide to change it so that it ends sometime else.
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