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Post by Red on Dec 19, 2019 15:54:53 GMT -5
Hosting RoTos was a chore. I enjoyed the discovery part of it all, and it was fun seeing what songs got matched up against other songs, but the actual process of putting together the matchups, counting votes, and keeping everything running really stopped interesting me the end of the first round of the first RoTo I hosted. It was around that time that I started thinking about what it would be like if we turned RoTo into something more like what the Wintetime Madness series is like over in the Games forum. I never really considered going forward with that idea, as I've always been more focused on my own Journey series in said Games forum, among other things. Not too long ago, though, I returned to this idea, and I started really wondering if I should give this whole thing a shot. After all, I'm much more comfortable hosting rankdowns than I am standard tournaments, and I've had plenty of experience with rankdowns. And I then thought to myself, "Screw it, let's give it a whirl and see what happens."
How would this work? Well, as I've been thinking about what I would do with this series, this is what I had in mind:
- There will be five rankdown events. Here's what I have in mind for each season:
Winter: Every winter rankdown event would be based around a certain theme, like the female RoTo, or the 90's RoTo. Winter will be the first of the rankdown series, and the theme...well, we'll get back to that.
Spring: It's March Madness, baby! The lone RoTo that I ever completed will make its return, and the theme will be current songs.
Summer: I haven't completely decided on what the summer events wil be based around, but the current idea that I had was to make every summer event based on a genre that isn't rock. One time, it could be rap. One time, it could be country. One time, it could be pop. And so on.
Fall: Another one that I haven't completely decided on, but one idea that I've wanted to run with since it was first introduced by Daryl a few years ago was to do another Worst of the Worst rankdown. Obviously, it would work a bit differently here than it did in that rankdown, but the gist of it would remain the same: We pick songs that we dislike from the current year, and the final "winner" will be the song determined to be the absolute worst of the worst.
End of the Year: Notice that we haven't seen a lot of current songs themes? That's where the fifth and final rankdown event comes into play, as the final rankdown event will be the Best of the Year event. We will all nominate our favorite songs of the year, and the last song standing will be declared the winner.
As for timeframes...
Winter: January-late February (ideally) Spring: early March-April or May? Summer: June-August Fall: September-early November (at the latest) End of Year: early November-end of the year into January
- The amount of songs submitted would be the same as in WTM: Eight songs (or more, if you wish to be sure), four top picks and four (or more) alternates. The order of the participants will be chosen entirely at random, and the songs in the four rankdown seeds will be chosen from that order.
- When you feel confident about your eight choices, you are to send those songs via PM to both me (Red, you guys should know this by now) and @humanshazam, who I am really glad will be helping me out as a co-host for this series. His work will be GREATLY appreciated, believe me. I currently have a two-week deadline set for picking your songs, so the deadline would be Thursday, January 2nd, 2020. I'm less sure about the deadline time...maybe 7pm US Eastern? If you can't get your songs in by then, please make sure to let me know before the deadline.
- Now, the next part is important: One big change from WTM will depend heavily on how many participants we have for this series. If we have participants rivaling that of the Games WTM series, then nothing will change. If we have less participants, however (and I expect this to be the case), I'm considering allowing for people to get two songs each in a seed, though that might require posters to submit more than eight songs. Stay tuned.
- Once the songs are finalized, we will rank each of the four seeds separately, and we will rank the songs in each seeds. The final 10 or 15 of each seed will compete in a final round RD, where we will decide one ultimate winner.
Okay, now it's time to talk about the first event. There was an idea being floated around in the past, back when RoTos were still a thing. Here's the basic gist of the idea: Instead of submitting a set number of songs in one genre, every song submitted by a poster would be in a different rock sub-genre. I liked the "8-ball" idea, but I think that asking posters to submit eight songs in eight different rock sub-genres may be asking for a lot. So I came up with a compromise, and it works out perfectly with the WTM format: Instead of submitting eight songs in eight different genres, posters would submit eight songs in *four* genres, two songs in each sub-genre. To throw you guys a bit of a bone, you are allowed to submit songs from any year. I would hope that people will not submit songs that have already been featured in RoTos (especially if they've done well in RoTos previously), but I will be more lenient here than I would have been in RoTo.
There's one catch: Your top four has to consist of four different genres, and the alternates have to actually be alternates, the songs you would want inserted in place of one of your top four songs, in case one of them is taken by someone else. Once you place a genre in a certain top four position, the alternate counterpart has to be in the same sub-genre, and that alternate song will stay in the same seed as the song needing to be replaced, not simply move up a spot. For instance, let's say that I submit an Iron Maiden song as one of my top four, and let's say that it's my 3 seed. Whether the sub-genre is New Wave of British Heavy Metal or just metal, that sub-genre is now locked into the 3 seed, and I have to choose a NWOBHM or metal song as the third alternate. If I do not get that Maiden song, the alternate becomes the 3 seed instead. I love this particular idea, because it will force people to have to think hard about their sub-genre choices, as well as think harder about their alternates.
I'm excited to get this started. It's time to get mad.ROCK MADNESS The 4-Ball
{THE WINNER'S CIRCLE}The 4-Ball Seed 4: Bloc Party - Banquet (2nd: David Bowie - Heroes) Seed 3: The Cure - Boys Don't Cry (2nd: Television - Marquee Moon) Seed 2: The Cure - Disintegration (2nd: Radiohead - How to Disappear Completely) Seed 1: Echo and the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon (2nd: The Cure - A Forest) Final: Bloc Party - Banquet (2nd: David Bowie - Heroes)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 15:58:40 GMT -5
Please tag me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 15:58:40 GMT -5
hi I'm also a host as well and I'm looking forward to seeing the tournament play out!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 17:07:44 GMT -5
I was very bored and had nothing to do so I compiled a list of all the rock subgenres I could find, you can use this to help you make your choices but you don't have to! {Click here to see the list!} Acid Rock Acoustic Rock Afro-Rock Alpenrock Alternative Dance Alternative Metal Alternative Rock Anarcho-Punk Anatolian Rock Andalusian Rock Andean Rock AOR Art Punk Art Rock Atmospheric Black Metal Atmospheric Sludge Metal Avant-Garde Metal Avant-Prog Baggy / Madchester Beat Music Beatdown Hardcore Black 'n' Roll Black Metal Blackgaze Blues Rock Boogie Rock British Folk Rock British Rhythm & Blues Britpop Brutal Death Metal Brutal Prog C86 Canterbury Scene Celtic Metal Celtic Punk Celtic Rock Christian Rock Coldwave Comedy Rock Country Rock Cowpunk Crossover Thrash Crust Punk Cyber Metal Cybergrind D-Beat Dance-Punk Dark Cabaret Death 'n' Roll Death Doom Metal Death Metal Deathcore Deathgrind Deathrock Depressive Black Metal Deutschpunk Deutschrock Digital Hardcore Djent Doom Metal Dream Pop Drone Metal Dunedin Sound Easycore Eleki Emo Emo-Pop Emocore Emoviolence Experimental Rock Folk Metal Folk Punk Folk Rock Freakbeat Funeral Doom Metal Funk Metal Funk Rock Garage Punk Garage Rock Garage Rock Revival Glam Metal Glam Punk Glam Rock Goregrind Gorenoise Gothic Metal Gothic Rock Grebo Grindcore Groove Metal Group Sounds Grunge Gypsy Punk Hamburger Schule Hard Rock Hardcore Punk Heartland Rock Heavy Metal Heavy Psych Horror Punk Indie Pop Indie Rock Indorock Industrial Metal Industrial Rock Jam Band Jangle Pop Japanese Hardcore Jazz-Rock Jovem Guarda Könsrock Krautrock Latin Rock Lo-Fi Indie Manila Sound Math Rock Mathcore Medieval Folk Metal Medieval Rock Melodic Black Metal Melodic Death Metal Melodic Hardcore Melodic Metalcore Merseybeat Metal Metalcore Midwest Emo Mod Mod Revival Nederbeat Neo-Prog Neoclassical Metal Neue Deutsche Härte Neue Deutsche Welle New Romantic New Wave New York Hardcore Nintendocore No Wave Noise Pop Noise Rock Noisecore Nordic Folk Rock Nu Metal NWOBHM Oi! Pagan Black Metal Paisley Underground Phleng phuea chiwit Piano Rock Pinoy Folk Rock Pop Punk Pop Rock Post-Grunge Post-Hardcore Post-Metal Post-Punk Post-Punk Revival Post-Rock Power Metal Power Pop Powerviolence Progressive Metal Progressive Rock Proto-Punk Psychedelic Rock Psychobilly Pub Rock Punk Punk Blues Punk Rock Queercore Raga Rock Rap Metal Rap Rock Rautalanka Red Dirt Riot Grrrl Rock & Roll Rock in Opposition Rock Opera Rock urbano español Rockabilly Roots Rock Screamo Shadow Music Shoegaze Ska Punk Skate Punk Slam Death Metal Slowcore Sludge Metal Soft Rock Southern Rock Space Rock Speed Metal Stereo Stoner Metal Stoner Rock Sufi Rock Surf Music Surf Punk Surf Rock Swamp Rock Symphonic Black Metal Symphonic Metal Symphonic Prog Symphonic Rock Synth Punk Technical Death Metal Technical Thrash Metal Tex-Mex Thrash Metal Thrashcore Traditional Doom Metal Trance Metal Trancecore UK82 Viking Metal Vocal Surf War Metal Yacht Rock Zamrock Zeuhl Zolo
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Post by Red on Dec 19, 2019 17:24:07 GMT -5
Yo, Even though I have no idea what 'RoTo' actually means, this seems like it could be fun. Is there a rule for how closely the genres can relate to one another? Either in style or in age. "RoTo" is a reference to the Rock Tournament series. I'm moving away from that series in favor of rankdowns. Ideally, I don't want people sending four sub-genres that sound similar to one another (ie. four metal genres), and I want the sub-genres to be slightly distinct from one another. I'm not saying that you HAVE to do this, but I would prefer it. However, I'd be more willing to accept lists with, say, two similar-sounding genres.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Dec 19, 2019 18:17:06 GMT -5
You da man, Red. Since Shazam posted the list of genres, to make it interesting for myself I'm going to RNG the four genres I will use.
Sure hope I don't get whatever Oi! is
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Dec 19, 2019 22:12:00 GMT -5
the basic question on my mind is what are the four rocks sub genres I have to submit from? There are many sub rock genres not just four. For instance Metal already has more then four from the get go.
Hair Metal Glam Metal Alternative Metal Speed Metal Power Metal Progressive Metal
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Dec 19, 2019 22:34:45 GMT -5
the basic question on my mind is what are the four rocks sub genres I have to submit from? There are many sub rock genres not just four. For instance Metal already has more then four from the get go. Hair Metal Glam Metal Alternative Metal Speed Metal Power Metal Progressive Metal He's not saying there are only 4. He's saying you pick your own 4, lol
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Post by rainie on Dec 19, 2019 22:52:34 GMT -5
its been a hot minute since i've participated in a rankdown, but this actually sounds like a lot of fun? pumped for this
how strict are you guys planning on being about what counts as "rock?" for example, shazam's list didn't have indie pop -- does this mean say, Bastille would be off the table? (don't worry, i plan on submitting far more interesting artists then Bastille, that was just the first example i thought of)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 23:02:51 GMT -5
the basic question on my mind is what are the four rocks sub genres I have to submit from? There are many sub rock genres not just four. For instance Metal already has more then four from the get go. Hair Metal Glam Metal Alternative Metal Speed Metal Power Metal Progressive Metal yeah, pretty much what gates said, pick any 4 genres (that fit under rock/alt/metal/similar stuff) to choose your first 4 songs and your 4 extras from! its been a hot minute since i've participated in a rankdown, but this actually sounds like a lot of fun? pumped for this how strict are you guys planning on being about what counts as "rock?" for example, shazam's list didn't have indie pop -- does this mean say, Bastille would be off the table? (don't worry, i plan on submitting far more interesting artists then Bastille, that was just the first example i thought of) i should've mentioned that list i have isn't inclusive, indie pop is perfectly fine! as long as it pretty much sounds like alt/rock/metal or similar genres, it should be fine! it's not meant to be super strict, just a fun twist on picking your songs :)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 23:06:16 GMT -5
Add me to the tag list. I haven't participated in RoTo events in the past (mostly because I wasn't overly aware of them), but I'll give it a shot this time around. This'll be a nice little change from the regular retro rankdowns
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Post by Red on Dec 26, 2019 17:11:06 GMT -5
We're at the one week mark! This is your reminder that the deadline to submit or change songs is January 2nd, 2020 at 7pm US Eastern.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Dec 26, 2019 17:34:11 GMT -5
Are you tellinh me its one week until the second day of the next decade holy shi
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Post by Red on Dec 30, 2019 13:55:03 GMT -5
Time is running out! This is another reminder that the deadline to submit or change songs is January 2nd, 2020 at 7pm US Eastern.
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Post by Red on Dec 31, 2019 19:37:34 GMT -5
Getting warmer! This is another reminder that the deadline to submit or change songs is January 2nd, 2020 at 7pm US Eastern.
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Post by Red on Jan 1, 2020 19:54:34 GMT -5
Have one more! This is another reminder that the deadline to submit or change songs is January 2nd, 2020 at 7pm US Eastern. (That's tomorrow, everyone!)
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Post by Red on Jan 1, 2020 23:26:45 GMT -5
I know, another tag, but this is important: Given the lower turnout, which I expected, I was thinking about including both the main songs and the alternates that you guys have chosen in the four rankdowns. Why am I tagging everyone for this?
a) To make sure everyone knows about this possibility b) To give people a chance to make any changes to their submissions, with that in mind
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Post by Butterflies & Hurricanes on Jan 2, 2020 0:24:50 GMT -5
a suggestion: you might want to edit the OP of this thread to put the instructions right at the top...you’ve written quite a bit there & while I’m sure we all enjoy your witty prose (I know I do), sometimes less is more especially when starting something new ... maybe START with “now it’s time to talk about the 1st event”
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Post by Red on Jan 2, 2020 11:07:00 GMT -5
a suggestion: you might want to edit the OP of this thread to put the instructions right at the top...you’ve written quite a bit there & while I’m sure we all enjoy your witty prose (I know I do), sometimes less is more especially when starting something new ... maybe START with “now it’s time to talk about the 1st event” Other than the first paragraph that explains why I started this whole thing, what part of that post isn't instructions or important information about the series? There's only going to be one thread for this, and all of the information about this and future events had to be in there for those who want to jump in down the line and are new to Rock Madness.
Besides that, if you just scrolled down to the end of the post, the important info for this event (about the structure of the event and what you must do, as far as submitting songs is concerned) is all right there in the last two paragraphs: Submit eight songs in four rock genres/sub-genres, top four songs and their alternates must have matching genres, you can submit songs from any era, and I would prefer if people didn't submit songs that have done really well in RoTos previously. It's all there. Even the possibility of me including the alternates is in that post, albeit earlier on in the post (see: "I'm considering allowing for people to get two songs each in a seed").
I'm sorry that I couldn't make the post a little shorter, but that first post has to cover everything going forward.
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Post by Butterflies & Hurricanes on Jan 2, 2020 13:14:54 GMT -5
a suggestion: you might want to edit the OP of this thread to put the instructions right at the top...you’ve written quite a bit there & while I’m sure we all enjoy your witty prose (I know I do), sometimes less is more especially when starting something new ... maybe START with “now it’s time to talk about the 1st event” Other than the first paragraph that explains why I started this whole thing, what part of that post isn't instructions or important information about the series? There's only going to be one thread for this, and all of the information about this and future events had to be in there for those who want to jump in down the line and are new to Rock Madness.
Besides that, if you just scrolled down to the end of the post, the important info for this event (about the structure of the event and what you must do, as far as submitting songs is concerned) is all right there in the last two paragraphs: Submit eight songs in four rock genres/sub-genres, top four songs and their alternates must have matching genres, you can submit songs from any era, and I would prefer if people didn't submit songs that have done really well in RoTos previously. It's all there. Even the possibility of me including the alternates is in that post, albeit earlier on in the post (see: "I'm considering allowing for people to get two songs each in a seed").
I'm sorry that I couldn't make the post a little shorter, but that first post has to cover everything going forward.the info is all there...but people have to dig for it...might make sense to put the instructions for THIS go round at the very top...might make it easier for people to find & therefore increase the participation (since you mentioned low response)...just a thought
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Post by lyhom on Jan 2, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -5
Other than the first paragraph that explains why I started this whole thing, what part of that post isn't instructions or important information about the series? There's only going to be one thread for this, and all of the information about this and future events had to be in there for those who want to jump in down the line and are new to Rock Madness.
Besides that, if you just scrolled down to the end of the post, the important info for this event (about the structure of the event and what you must do, as far as submitting songs is concerned) is all right there in the last two paragraphs: Submit eight songs in four rock genres/sub-genres, top four songs and their alternates must have matching genres, you can submit songs from any era, and I would prefer if people didn't submit songs that have done really well in RoTos previously. It's all there. Even the possibility of me including the alternates is in that post, albeit earlier on in the post (see: "I'm considering allowing for people to get two songs each in a seed").
I'm sorry that I couldn't make the post a little shorter, but that first post has to cover everything going forward. the info is all there... but people have to dig for it...might make sense to put the instructions for THIS go round at the very top...might make it easier for people to find & therefore increase the participation (since you mentioned low response)...just a thought everyone else seems to have got it just fine, though?
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Post by Butterflies & Hurricanes on Jan 2, 2020 13:25:14 GMT -5
the info is all there... but people have to dig for it...might make sense to put the instructions for THIS go round at the very top...might make it easier for people to find & therefore increase the participation (since you mentioned low response)...just a thought everyone else seems to have got it just fine, though? maybe the not the ones who haven't participated yet?
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Post by wheatsquares33 on Jan 2, 2020 14:04:30 GMT -5
It's fiiiiiine, if people can't bother to read the instructions all the way through and end up missing out, that's on them not the post. Think low participation is to be expected anyway, this is more limited than the average rankdown and all, and it's not like the rock forum is the just boppin place to be, wouldn't expect anymore than the usual suspects, and I'm pretty sure we're all able to the get the point with little effort
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Post by maine on Jan 2, 2020 14:27:55 GMT -5
Yeah, if you don't want to read all of the post, that's on you, not Red. As someone who has hosted many of these before, information is important because it seems no matter how many disclaimers you put or all the information possible, people still refuse to actually follow instructions. To put it as blunt as possible, just stop being lazy. It's really not that hard.
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Post by Red on Jan 2, 2020 17:37:59 GMT -5
This is the final tag. The deadline is in less than 90 minutes!
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Post by House Lannister on Jan 2, 2020 17:57:50 GMT -5
I'm gonna pass on this. Concentrating on the Year End stuff.
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Post by maine on Jan 2, 2020 20:26:35 GMT -5
Red wants this to go to the second page so hello.
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Post by willapted33 on Jan 2, 2020 20:26:54 GMT -5
second page here we come
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Post by Web on Jan 2, 2020 20:28:04 GMT -5
i wanted to submit for this but couldn't reliably count on getting a list in so i'll be watching this to see if i can pick out some discoveries
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Post by Red on Jan 2, 2020 22:05:02 GMT -5
Alright, folks, it's showtime. Ladies and gentlemen, here are your songs for the first ever Rock Madness rankdown event!
First, let's reveal the songs for the first rankdown, Seed 4.
SEED 4 ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead - Mistakes & Regrets At the Drive In - One Armed Scissor Augie March - One Crowded Hour Beabadoobee - I Wish I Was Stephen Malkmus Beach Bunny - Dream Boy Black Sabbath - Neon Knights Bloc Party - Banquet Brand New - Limousine Can - Paperhouse Chon - Peace CHVRCHES - Lies Cocteau Twins - Wax and Wane David Bowie - Heroes Die Sterne - Was hat dich bloß so ruiniert Dissection - Night's Blood Hot Chip - Ready for the Floor Immortal - Withstand the Fall of Time Kaiser Chiefs - Golden Oldies Kiss - Detroit Rock City mewithoutYou - O, Porcupine Neutral Milk Hotel - Holland, 1945 New Order - Vanishing Point OMD - Don’t Go OMD - Enola Gay Overcoats - The Fool Pavement - Gold Soundz Rise Against - Survive Roxy Music - In Every Dream Home a Heartache Roxy Music - Virgina Plain Rufio - Still She Wants Revenge - Tear You Apart Silvio Rodríguez - Ojalá St. Lucia - September Stage Kids - Cyniculture Strike Anywhere - I'm Your Opposite Number Sunflower Bean - Twentytwo Sweet - Ballroom Blitz The Hit Parade - You Didn't Love Me Then The Paper Kites - Bloom The Walker Brothers - The Electrician Trummer - Wo ist die Euphorie Veltpunch - MOUSE OF THE PAIN Victor Jara - El Derecho De Vivir En Paz White Reaper - Judy French
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