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Post by fatalthirteen on Sept 1, 2006 4:01:52 GMT -5
I was just wondering when people think the next major shift in the music industry occur? Like, the late 80's radio were dominated by hair/glam metal, then there was a shift to grunge in the early 90's, then a shift to teen pop in the late 90's, and we are now currently in the R&B/Hip Hop/Rap phase since 2000. I definately sense the looming presence of a major shift in the music industry as Hip Hop has become very mainstream and stale ---many artists like Rihanna, Chris Brown, Cassie, Ne Yo, the Pussycat Dolls, are basically pop acts.
I personally think alternative acts will begin to dominate --- the likes of Gnarls Barkely, Panic! At the Disco, Fall Out Boy are enjoying immense success (as much as I can't stand them) and with new albums from the likes of Evanescence, Linkin Park, and Audioslave on the horizon, I think hard rock will start showing a greater presence on mainstream radio as well ---but that might just be wishful thinking on my part though. What do you all predict??
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Post by polly on Sept 1, 2006 9:10:04 GMT -5
Oh great topic. I too hope hard rock, alternative music will dominate. I SO hope it does not become stale!
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Post by Mic Technique on Sept 1, 2006 9:28:14 GMT -5
The change has been obvious since early last year. Urban music has died down very much though many are still denying this obvious fact. I see the mainstream in the second half of the 00's representing the early 90's. An very eclectic mix of music, which Pop radio hasn't had from 2000 to 2004. Hopefully this Emo crap doesn't go on for too long and we'll see some real rock being embraced by the mainstream as well.
2006 is a great example of what we'll hear in the mainstream for the next 4 years. -Adult Contemporary hits crossing over more frequently. -Pure Pop will be embraced once again. -Urban acts, mostly R&B acts who have previously enjoyed success at Pop radio, will begin to adopt a more straight foward Pop sound. An example would be Rihanna. -Rock (REAL rock) may crossover at times. -The usual Alternative hit will get its shine as well. -Maybe we'll get some other surprises such as a few Dance hits. We really don't know yet.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2006 12:06:22 GMT -5
I agree with Vanashing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 17:48:59 GMT -5
2006 is a great example of what we'll hear in the mainstream for the next 4 years. -Adult Contemporary hits crossing over more frequently. -Pure Pop will be embraced once again. -Urban acts, mostly R&B acts who have previously enjoyed success at Pop radio, will begin to adopt a more straight foward Pop sound. An example would be Rihanna. -Rock (REAL rock) may crossover at times. -The usual Alternative hit will get its shine as well. -Maybe we'll get some other surprises such as a few Dance hits. We really don't know yet. I suck at predicting stuff like this, but I really hope you're right on every point.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Sept 1, 2006 18:01:39 GMT -5
Vanishing, you're just about right on all that you stated, LOL. I just hope this emo crap doesn't go too far. If we do enter an "emo phase" in the music industry, I'll be in the minority. I hope genres that haven't received so much attention in the past few years also get a chance to dominate like dance or (REAL) rock. I just want this Urban era to end soon. It's so predictable and boring already.
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Post by A Thug Named Slickback on Sept 1, 2006 19:42:34 GMT -5
Great topic! I could talk about this all day.
Here's what I think: When any genre becomes too mainstream, you wind up with a bunch of low-talent acts jumping on the bandwagon for a hit. This inevitably depresses the general quality of music in that genre.
For example, I don't think urban music is inherently bad -- in fact, it's actually one of my favorite genres -- but it's just gotten to the point that any crap released at the format can become a hit. I'll bet that the quality of urban music improves once its popularity declines -- the same way pure pop music improved after the late-1990s.
Probably pessimistic for me to say this. But I'm willing to bet that the music of the next dominant format will slowly begin to suck.
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Post by fatalthirteen on Sept 1, 2006 20:22:52 GMT -5
I agree with a lot that is being said in response to this thread...the best music that is released is usually from the acts that are the trailblazers and are part of a musical movement. Those or the the ones who release music that is different from the current format because they have to make their music that much more innovative and original in order to find success.
And I'm happy to see I'm not alone in my disgust for all that is emo!
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2006 22:39:07 GMT -5
Great topic! I could talk about this all day. Here's what I think: When any genre becomes too mainstream, you wind up with a bunch of low-talent acts jumping on the bandwagon for a hit. This inevitably depresses the general quality of music in that genre. For example, I don't think urban music is inherently bad -- in fact, it's actually one of my favorite genres -- but it's just gotten to the point that any crap released at the format can become a hit. I'll bet that the quality of urban music improves once its popularity declines -- the same way pure pop music improved after the late-1990s. Probably pessimistic for me to say this. But I'm willing to bet that the music of the next dominant format will slowly begin to suck. Great post. What the hell is emo? What songs are considered emo? What is the emo trademark sound? Well I think the quality of Urban music has gone down for a number of reasons besides the fact that so many people are trying to do it. I feel like rap an r&b have been dummed down. It's almost like they are too manufactured these days. There is more to that story.... I'll save my gross generalizations for later. ...and no its not what most of you are thinking.
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Post by Pulse on Sept 1, 2006 22:44:13 GMT -5
What do you think we're thinking? ;)
Everyone has a different definition of emo, but to a lot of people it means that FOB/P!ATD type music.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2006 22:49:34 GMT -5
What is FOB/P!ATD type of music?
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 1, 2006 22:56:52 GMT -5
The change has been obvious since early last year. Urban music has died down very much though many are still denying this obvious fact. I see the mainstream in the second half of the 00's representing the early 90's. An very eclectic mix of music, which Pop radio hasn't had from 2000 to 2004. Hopefully this Emo crap doesn't go on for too long and we'll see some real rock being embraced by the mainstream as well. 2006 is a great example of what we'll hear in the mainstream for the next 4 years. -Adult Contemporary hits crossing over more frequently. -Pure Pop will be embraced once again. -Urban acts, mostly R&B acts who have previously enjoyed success at Pop radio, will begin to adopt a more straight foward Pop sound. An example would be Rihanna. -Rock (REAL rock) may crossover at times. -The usual Alternative hit will get its shine as well. -Maybe we'll get some other surprises such as a few Dance hits. We really don't know yet. Both 2000 and 2001 had an eclectic mix of music. From 2002-2005 I would say no. During these years you had 1 or few artist(s) dominating the charts. Ashanti (2002), Beyonce (2003), Usher (2004), Mariah Carey (2005), but there is no clear winner in 2006.
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Post by derek on Sept 2, 2006 2:20:24 GMT -5
I think next year will be when things really start shifting. They've been shifting since the likes of Green Day and Kelly Clarkson topped the charts last year. This year, the changing became more aware. Artists who would NEVER get a hit if it were 4 years ago, got hits this year....Starting with the suprise hit "Unwritten", followed by "You're Beautiful", "Bad Day", "Crazy", and "Over My Head"....now, it seems that "Put Your Records On" might become a hit also. All of those songs suprised me so much when they became to get airplay. All of them are so different from what we've been hearing the past 5 or so years. Not sure where the music industry is going to go in the coming years. There will ALWAYS be a certain kind of music present, it just depends on the amounts. It's a shame MTV doesn't recognize any of these new artists at the VMA's...honestly. There's my two cents.
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Post by Girls, girls, girls, girls... on Sept 3, 2006 2:47:16 GMT -5
I do hope we will see some kind of pop revival... Oh, and I hope that the US will finally start embracing British electropop (without feeling the need to throw a little bit of urban in it ala Nelly Furtado, Justin or Rihanna) and all those amazing popstars they have there... Girls Aloud, Sugababes, Rachel Stevens, Lily Allen etc. Believe me, they are ace. You don't know what you're missing
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Post by polly on Sept 3, 2006 7:09:24 GMT -5
SHHHHHHHHH Girls, girls, girls, girls! If they take to this style, they too could fuck it up, liek they have done with styles before now!
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Post by Girls, girls, girls, girls... on Sept 3, 2006 8:57:01 GMT -5
SHHHHHHHHH Girls, girls, girls, girls! If they take to this style, they too could f**k it up, liek they have done with styles before now! Um, I don't know. If I ever see Goldfrapp, Sophie Ellis-Bextor or even Scissor Sisters at the top of the US charts, I will die... but it will be a happy death! :)
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Post by Pulse on Sept 3, 2006 18:14:18 GMT -5
Adonis, P!ATD and FOB are Panic! At The Disco and Fall Out Boy.
I think we may be looking at a big shift with rock in general too. I cant believe Panic, Hinder, Snow Patrol, Evanescence, and Nickelback are all having hits right now! Before, it used to be like one rock act every once in awhile having a Hot 100 hit.
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Post by random on Sept 4, 2006 0:19:03 GMT -5
imo pop will come in lead again but this time around things change a little: a lot of pop songs managed to make it to urban radio or dance charts cos of techno, hip-hop supported background so i think we ll get to hear mixes of genres for next few years
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Post by fatalthirteen on Sept 4, 2006 1:03:08 GMT -5
I don't know why people think pure pop will reign again. With Jessica Simpson and Paris Hilton's first singles failing miserably (as they rightfully should) I don't see it happening. I do agree however, that R&B acts were adopt a poppier sound and still manage to do well.
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Post by Pulse on Sept 4, 2006 2:03:43 GMT -5
At the start of the year, there were a lot of Pop hits on the Hot 100 like Unwritten, Everytime We Touch, What's Left Of Me, Bad Day. SOS, Unfaithful, etc
Right now, there arent as many since there have been a lot of high profile pop/urban releases lately.
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Post by tortuga on Sept 4, 2006 17:44:20 GMT -5
What do you guys mean by "REAL Rock"? Hinder? lol.
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Post by Gorminako on Sept 4, 2006 20:17:06 GMT -5
I agree with most of what is being said. I hope vanishing89 is correct and there are signs that he is. This summer has been full of pop hits (though not of the highest quality). There have been fewer rap and hip/hop hits while true R&B seems to be gradually making a comeback. I do hope that what's being called emo rock isn't the kind of music to dominate. A lot of the new alternative rock shows strong influences of the '80's and even the '60's, and this is the kind of music I'd prefer to see take hold.
Some time ago I was thinking about it and realized that the best rap being put out was well before it started to dominate. And even though there are far more rap songs on the charts in recent years, the actual number (not just percentage) of good rap songs are significantly fewer than before 1995. Just today I was thinking about the best female singers of all time, and even though they dominate far more today than previously, the female singers of today don't match those of the past. And of course, these "emo" bands appear to descend from punk bands of the '90's, and Green Day, Weezer, and the Offspring were/are far superior. Which goes to support the statements made above that the saturation of music by a certain few genres tends to "dumb" down that genre of music.
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Post by Pulse on Sept 4, 2006 20:34:17 GMT -5
What do you guys mean by "REAL Rock"? Hinder? lol. It's considered more "real" than the rock that's been on the charts the last few years like Female Teen Rock (Kelly Clarkson and Ashlee Simpson rock), HAC Rock (Lifehouse and James Blunt), Piano Rock (Bad Day), etc
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Post by Pulse on Sept 4, 2006 20:38:27 GMT -5
There have been fewer rap and hip/hop hits while true R&B seems to be gradually making a comeback. I dont agree with that. What true R&B hits have been popular lately? Be Without You and So Sick were the only big R&B hits this year. Unpredictable and Yo (Excuse Me Miss) also went Top 10 on the Hot 100, but they werent really big. The Pop/Urban/Rhythmic sound of R&B over Hip Hop beats (like Buttons, Me & U, Promiscuous) is still big now.
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Post by banet2001 on Sept 5, 2006 15:24:36 GMT -5
Great topic! I could talk about this all day. Here's what I think: When any genre becomes too mainstream, you wind up with a bunch of low-talent acts jumping on the bandwagon for a hit. This inevitably depresses the general quality of music in that genre. For example, I don't think urban music is inherently bad -- in fact, it's actually one of my favorite genres -- but it's just gotten to the point that any crap released at the format can become a hit. I'll bet that the quality of urban music improves once its popularity declines -- the same way pure pop music improved after the late-1990s. Probably pessimistic for me to say this. But I'm willing to bet that the music of the next dominant format will slowly begin to suck. I have to agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of factors have to do with the declining quality of R&B and rap. Back in the day in the 1980's - 1990's, only a few rap and R&B acts broke through on the mainstream. The acts that did typically would be among the best quality acts of that genre, or best quality popified acts of that genre. People heard the great R&B/hip hop songs and the genres took off commerciallty in the 1990’s. As the genres took off, all of a sudden, not only do the great songs become mainstream hits, but the mediocre songs of that genre become hits as well. The mediocrity would water down the quality of music. Also, record companies want to take advantage of the popularity of the genres by releasing and flooding the market with manufactured and canned music from the genres, leaving a bland but radio friendly product that does little to inspire, but does generate sales. As time goes on, bad and mediocre artists get overexposed and a backlash against hip hop/R&B and rap has occurred. The backlash will lead to a reduced role on commercial radio. Hopefully, in the future pop radio will be heavily integrated with multiple genres so that the best quality "popified" music from multiple genres will break though, not have one genre dominate (great and bad songs alike). Thus, only the best poppy R&B, hip hop and rap will become big hits, which is the way it should be.
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Post by fatalthirteen on Sept 5, 2006 21:30:05 GMT -5
Well said.
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Post by jaxxalude on Sept 6, 2006 4:55:51 GMT -5
Great topic! I could talk about this all day. Here's what I think: When any genre becomes too mainstream, you wind up with a bunch of low-talent acts jumping on the bandwagon for a hit. This inevitably depresses the general quality of music in that genre. For example, I don't think urban music is inherently bad -- in fact, it's actually one of my favorite genres -- but it's just gotten to the point that any crap released at the format can become a hit. I'll bet that the quality of urban music improves once its popularity declines -- the same way pure pop music improved after the late-1990s. Probably pessimistic for me to say this. But I'm willing to bet that the music of the next dominant format will slowly begin to suck. I have to agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of factors have to do with the declining quality of R&B and rap. Back in the day in the 1980's - 1990's, only a few rap and R&B acts broke through on the mainstream. The acts that did typically would be among the best quality acts of that genre, or best quality popified acts of that genre. People heard the great R&B/hip hop songs and the genres took off commerciallty in the 1990’s. And yet you had overt cases of snubbing (which, in this context, is more like not having a clue) from Mainstream Top 40 radio back then. Tag Team's "Whoomp! (There It Is)", Dr Dre's "Nuthin' But A G Thang" or Warren G's "Regulate" are cases so in point it hurts.
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Post by spooky21 on Sept 6, 2006 11:33:30 GMT -5
I think we will be seeing a hybrid music industry for a while with the charts representing a wide variety of formats. Hip Hop certainly has lost it's leading edge and seem to be struggling to find freshness and there is no other musical trend that is indicating a revolution in music.
I think the hybrid will consist mainly of:
EMO Bands Pop/Rnb starlets Alternative Rock New rap artists that will fade away after a few singles High profile & established artists sticking to what they do best with a few changes
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Post by JCMF3 on Sept 6, 2006 13:27:31 GMT -5
2006 is a great example of what we'll hear in the mainstream for the next 4 years. Well, part of me hopes so and part of me not. The #1 songs on pop this year have been less than stellar overall. And there is WAY too much overplaying being done. The "eclectic mix" is only on paper - the spins say something different. When Buttons is played 9600 x per week and Jesse McCartney is barely getting 1500 spins, that to me is not an equitable mix. Huh? Name a song that first charted on AC and then crossed over to pop this year (e.g., What Hurts The Most doesn't count...). Are you actually implying that acts like Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, or Michael Buble even have/will crossover? I see no evidence of this. I have a problem with this, as many know, since "pop" stands for "popular", but even with its accepted meaning, I disagree. I don't consider Rihanna to be an "urban act" at all, even when she started. Like who? Iron Maiden? Breaking Benjamin? This is actually something that I miss on pop radio and I don't think is getting enough attention. Instead, it seems many former alternative bands have altered their style and are now "pop rock" bands and not alternative.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Sept 6, 2006 16:09:30 GMT -5
Um...Would someone explain to me WHY people are saying that Rihanna is an urban act. Has she even charted on Urban...She's definately not gotten great support from rhythmic really, All of her songs are pop hits because they're pop songs...Not R&B. If she had redhear or was Chinese would you guys consider her urban then?
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