Tool-Jambi

[Crushcrushchris]

January 15th. It's about time.

[allnightmarelong]

great choice for a single!

[halo19]

Yeah, this would've been my choice for the single. I hope the radio does not cut out that gnarly-sounding guitar solo and its effect. 10,000 Days is a pretty amazing album. The only thing that slightly brings it down is the fact that "Viginti Tres" is a completely pointless way to conclude the album, unless I listen to it before going to sleep. (except the weird beginnings of "Rosetta", it actually works quite good for such).

[pen]

I was hoping for "Right In Two", but this works.

[Pipa]

I like the guitar and all, but this is hookless.

[tortuga]

Most Tool songs are hookless.

[Pipa]

Yeah, but Vicarious and The Pot had a noticable hook. This isn't going to perform as well as those because of that.

[tortuga]

I don't remember much of a hook in "The Pot", just Maroon 5 vocals and very bass heavy.

[Pipa]

I'm always humming the verses, I guess you could call it a hook.

[pen]

A hook is in the eyes of the beholder, I think. Some people can't get a song out of their heads that others can't enjoy to begin with. I think The Pot and Vicarious have a hook. So does Right In Two, which is why I wanted it.

On another note, all this talk about hooks makes me think of the old movie Hook. I thought I would mention that. That was a great film.

[Walking Contradiction]

I think "The Pot" was actually quite hooky, probably moreso than anything they've released since "Sober". On the other hand, I didn't really think there was anything too catchy about "Vicarious". Other songs like "Schism" and "Aenima" at least have some repeated phrases that stick in your head. But yeah, Tool definitely isn't a "hooks" band.

[halo19]

I'd argue that "Stinkfist" is also pretty hooky, and understandably was the lead single from Ænima. As others have said though, they're not really a hooks band. Probably more than the Deftones are, though.

[pen]

I don't know, I find a lot of Deftones songs to be very catchy.

[oscillations.]

I thought Tool broke up like 6 years ago.

I remember that video for "Schism" or whatever.

I loved it at the time.
In fact, I grew to like the track, too, but mainly because of the clip.

I feel like watching it right now.

Didn't that win a lot of awards?

It should have. It was one of the last creative big-budget videos of this decade. Oh, and MTV played it. Wow.

[jdmasta289]

It sucks they never made a video for "Vicarious" or "The Pot". I searched the YouTube, Yahoo, Launch, and Google Video Vaults excessively for those, believe you me. I kept wanting to prove everyone wrong and that a grotesque Tool-esque video actually did exist. As Mike Ness once stated, I was wrong.

"Vicarious" never had a hook.

I always sing "You must have been--hiiggh!!! hiiggh!!!" when I even read the title of that song, so that must be a "hook".

As for this song, I was anticipating it being a single. It's probably the best single from the album beyond "Rosetta Stoned", which is too long for radio anyway. (Not that 7:28 is short, by any means...)

Is oscillations an insomniac? I've seen Nicholas make some late posts as well. Wait a minute, I make late posts all the time.

But I think the real question is - what am I doing up reading here and watching Roseanne on Nick@Nite at 3 AM simultaneously? Go get 'em, Rosie!!!

[oscillations.]

I am a hardcore insomniac that is dependent on sleep aids.

[jdmasta289]

cherrycrush said:

I am a hardcore insomniac that is dependent on sleep aids.

I've only been insomniatic (is that a word?) once in my life - junior year in high school. I've adopted quite a strange sleep schedule these past few weeks and it's time for me to get back on track. And what better than stay up until 3:30 AM? But at least it's Saturday and I'm done with school! (Hooray!)

[pen]

You know, they were making a video for "Vicarious" long ago in a land far away. Watch, they'll finish it in time for their next album. Any bets on when that would be? 2010?

[crash46]

Who isn't an insomniac on this message board.

"The Pot" is the most hookly Tool song since "Parabola", which may be six years dated, but only one single has been released in between. A complex hook is still a hook.

Speaking of six years, 2010 would be only four.

[pen]

Speaking of six years, Lateralus came out in mid-2001. 10000 Days was released five years later, not six. So let's compromise at 2011 for the next Tool album.

[crash46]

My mistake. I distinctly remember years ago some elitist snob at R and R, when commenting on the current chart with "Lateralus" falling, claimed "Time for Tool to take another 5 years off between albums", while complaining about Starsailor or Powderfinger or some shit that he liked that wasn't charting. All this time I was thinking that was in the Summer of 2000, so when the Summer of '05 came along, I thought "5 years. Where's my damn Tool album.". If I'd bothered to look that up this morning I would have found that smartass remark to be completely accurate.

[tortuga]

A Perfect Circle is no more so I don't see why Maynard would take so long with the next Tool album.

[pen]

tortuga said:

A Perfect Circle is no more so I don't see why Maynard would take so long with the next Tool album.

Oh you will. You will.

But actually, I doubt APC is really in the dust. I know that's more or less what Maynard said a while back but I kind of got the feeling from that and everything Billy and himself have said since that if the two of them feel they've got some music to write, they'll do it. I really doubt their creative output is completely tapped.

[crash46]

Yeah, and the Smashing Pumpkins were no more, and now look...new album in the Spring. Every band that's broken up in the last 15 years has come back in some form. Maynard has more 'other bands' besides APC anyway. I think it will be the full five years.

Can't help but to think how many more Tool albums are going to be made. I mean, the guys are in their forties (other than Justin). I think we'd be lucky to get any more than one more, unfortunately.

[pen]

I almost forgot about Puscifier. I know Maynard wants to get that up and running. Even if APC doesn't come back, expect Puscifier to take its place.

[Nicholas2.0]

picpak said:

I like the guitar and all, but this is hookless.

Although it's one of my favorites, I can't remember "Jambi" off the top of my head unless I'm actually listening to it. I remember it has some great guitar sounds in it, though. I distinctly remember the intro riff, but this is the only song on the record I've so far been unable to bring to mind.

jdmasta289 said:

"Vicarious" never had a hook.

Hmm, the opening riff is pretty catchy to me. So are the dainty electronic sounds Danny makes. So's the main riff. So are Maynard's verses. So are the pre-chorus riffs. So are the pre-chorus vocals. So are the chorus vocals. So's the "Why can't we just admit it?" bridge. So's that same bridge later, without the vocals. So are Maynard's climactic vocals. So are the outro riffs. The whole thing is packed with hooks, really.

jdmasta289 said:

I've seen Nicholas make some late posts as well.

Well, when I lived at home, my dad was usually on the computer, working all day, so I rarely got to use it before he went to bed. Now, I'm working at the club most nights until at least midnight. And if I'm not working at the record store(s) during the day, I'm working in the evenings usually (but mostly the club), so that's the name of that tune.

In the case of tonight, I finally installed official security software this evening, after my initial trial run ran out, explaining my absence all week. So now my goal was to get through all the topics I missed out on this week, which is proving to be a grave mistake and underestimation, as now I'm up so late that I've basically ruined my day off, leaving me only a few hours before I'll have to get ready to go work in the record store "tomorrow" evening.

penance said:

You know, they were making a video for "Vicarious" long ago in a land far away. Watch, they'll finish it in time for their next album. Any bets on when that would be? 2010?

Well, around the time the album came out, it was said that Adam had been working on a video for quite some time. Back in May, Billboard reported that a "Vicarious" DVD single was coming out. Now their best fan site says the video is delayed indefinitely.

tortuga said:

A Perfect Circle is no more so I don't see why Maynard would take so long with the next Tool album.

Actually, I remember reading recently that Maynard was saying Billy had some material he was either laying down or would be laying down early next year. That probably means another Perfect Circle record wouldn't be out til late 2008, but it doesn't sound like they're actually done.

penance said:

I almost forgot about Puscifier. I know Maynard wants to get that up and running. Even if APC doesn't come back, expect Puscifier to take its place.

You gotta love this Puscifer T-shirt that's already up for sale:
store.puscifer.com/frameset.html (click to enlarge, it won't let me link to the enlarged image.)

[Walking Contradiction]

nicholas said:

Hmm, the opening riff is pretty catchy to me. So are the dainty electronic sounds Danny makes. So's the main riff. So are Maynard's verses. So are the pre-chorus riffs. So are the pre-chorus vocals. So are the chorus vocals. So's the "Why can't we just admit it?" bridge. So's that same bridge later, without the vocals. So are Maynard's climactic vocals. So are the outro riffs. The whole thing is packed with hooks, really.

Well, I guess that's exactly why it's not catchy to me. There are so many "hooks" that not one of them can stick out. I guess I'd say that while many of Tool's songs have complex structures, most of them still have a certain cohesiveness, and that's what "Vicarious" lacks. I'm not saying it's a bad song, but much like with what you said about "Jambi" (which I haven't heard yet), I can never seem to remember anything about the song beyond it's general vibe no matter how many times I hear it. Maybe it's just because I never gave it a really good listen.

[Nicholas2.0]

mikibacsi1124 said:

Well, I guess that's exactly why it's not catchy to me. There are so many "hooks" that not one of them can stick out.

Hmm...Personally, I equate this with denying the catchiness of, say, a Beach Boys tune, but I respect your opinion.

[jdmasta289]

I actually think Nick makes a point with "Vicarious" having multiple hooks but when I try to sing the song for my trainer, for example, who knows classic Tool but doesn't really pay attention to modern music, I have no idea where to go. I mean, theoretically, bands like SOAD have multiple hooks, in songs like "Hypnotize" and "Chop Suey!". However, there is no defining hook in those songs, except at the end where he's screaming "vicariously I...."

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