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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2008 18:57:22 GMT -5
^ Which is why I say they are Grammy favorites in their genre, but not necessarily in general. I think you have to win Record/Song/Album to be a true Gammy favorite because that means you had support from the entire industry, not just a specific section of voters.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 16, 2008 19:42:05 GMT -5
^ Which is why I say they are Grammy favorites in their genre, but not necessarily in general. I think you have to win Record/Song/Album to be a true Gammy favorite because that means you had support from the entire industry, not just a specific section of voters. Oh I agree 100%. I remember arguing with an individual about Lauryn, Alicia, Norah, Beyonce, and Amy's record of most wins by a female artist in one night, saying that Beyonce's was the least impressive considering none were in the General Field. All the other women scored at least 2 wins in the most important categories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 21:23:56 GMT -5
Michael Jackson Dropped From Grammys by Tim Cashmere - February 20 2008
Michael Jackson was dropped from the Grammy Awards last week after making a series of ridiculous demands.
The star was due to appear on the show to mark the 25th anniversary of the biggest selling album of all time, 'Thriller', but according to the New York Post, his ridiculous demands caused him to be dropped.
He wanted an award to be created for him, and presented to him (an award that nobody will ever get again), he wanted to be introduced by a special honouree and he wanted to be referred to as "The King of Pop" at least thirty times throughout the course of the show.
Jackson, who once won eight Grammys in one night in 1984, has not won an award at the ceremony since 1996 when 'Scream' won best video.
The 25th anniversary version of 'Thriller' was released on February 11 and features remixes by will.i.am, Kanye West and Fergie, as well as a previous unreleased song from the 'Thriller' sessions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 21:25:25 GMT -5
Thriller may be legendary but, present day Michael Jackson is still a little out there
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 19, 2008 21:49:03 GMT -5
LMAO!!! Are you serious?! That's hilarious!!
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 0:20:50 GMT -5
I don't believe that mess (maybe?).
But anyway, I got my copy of the new Thriller whatever soemthing name....
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 20, 2008 0:41:36 GMT -5
It all sounds like Michael. He did invent "King Of Pop" for himself, and he did make sure that statue of himself was made and presented that is on the HIStory cover.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 20, 2008 2:06:10 GMT -5
It all sounds like Michael. He did invent "King Of Pop" for himself, and he did make sure that statue of himself was made and presented that is on the HIStory cover. Nah actually the myth about him dubbing himself the King Of Pop is false. Elizabeth Taylor was the first who referred to him as that at the 1989 Soul Train Awards.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 20, 2008 11:20:25 GMT -5
Michael Jackson Dropped From Grammys by Tim Cashmere - February 20 2008 Michael Jackson was dropped from the Grammy Awards last week after making a series of ridiculous demands. The star was due to appear on the show to mark the 25th anniversary of the biggest selling album of all time, 'Thriller', but according to the New York Post, his ridiculous demands caused him to be dropped. He wanted an award to be created for him, and presented to him (an award that nobody will ever get again), he wanted to be introduced by a special honouree and he wanted to be referred to as "The King of Pop" at least thirty times throughout the course of the show. Jackson, who once won eight Grammys in one night in 1984, has not won an award at the ceremony since 1996 when 'Scream' won best video. The 25th anniversary version of 'Thriller' was released on February 11 and features remixes by will.i.am, Kanye West and Fergie, as well as a previous unreleased song from the 'Thriller' sessions. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That is truly halarious. Looking at the big female winners (Lauryn, Alicia, Norah, Beyonce, Amy), it's hard to rank them in importance (though Beyonce is easily last). Although she didnt win AOTY, I would probably put Amy 1st because if she had a fair chance to be eligible for 2 songwriting categories as all of the others were (expect Norah who didnt write DKW), she easily would've won Best Pop Song, giving her a 6th grammy.
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 14:04:28 GMT -5
Michael Jackson Dropped From Grammys by Tim Cashmere - February 20 2008 Michael Jackson was dropped from the Grammy Awards last week after making a series of ridiculous demands. The star was due to appear on the show to mark the 25th anniversary of the biggest selling album of all time, 'Thriller', but according to the New York Post, his ridiculous demands caused him to be dropped. He wanted an award to be created for him, and presented to him (an award that nobody will ever get again), he wanted to be introduced by a special honouree and he wanted to be referred to as "The King of Pop" at least thirty times throughout the course of the show. Jackson, who once won eight Grammys in one night in 1984, has not won an award at the ceremony since 1996 when 'Scream' won best video. The 25th anniversary version of 'Thriller' was released on February 11 and features remixes by will.i.am, Kanye West and Fergie, as well as a previous unreleased song from the 'Thriller' sessions. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That is truly halarious. Looking at the big female winners (Lauryn, Alicia, Norah, Beyonce, Amy), it's hard to rank them in importance (though Beyonce is easily last). Although she didnt win AOTY, I would probably put Amy 1st because if she had a fair chance to be eligible for 2 songwriting categories as all of the others were (expect Norah who didnt write DKW), she easily would've won Best Pop Song, giving her a 6th grammy. No, Lauryn goes first. She should've won more than five. The woman had 11 nominations. Come on! Honestly, I don't why everyone keep saying something about a Best Pop Song (should be added or whatever) when honestly I think Song of the Year is basically Best Pop Song. There isn't a difference, imo.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 20, 2008 15:10:25 GMT -5
How is Song of the Year the same as Best Pop Song? If so, Album of the Year should eliminate Best Pop Vocal Album and Record of the Year should eliminate all Pop Vocal Recording categories. This year, SOTY is clogged with pop songs (except for BHC) but last year a country song won, in 06 a rock song won, in 04 an R&B song won, in 02 an R&B song won, in 01 a rock song won etc. Dont Know Why and Daughters are the only pop songs released this decade that have won Song of the Year. I don't see why pop songwriters arent awarded the same way songwriters are in rock, r&b, rap, country etc.
Lauryn was massive with 11 nods but I think R&B artists always have an easier time racking up nominations. Lauryn went 5/11 whereas Amy won 5 despite only being SUBMITTED by her label for 7 categories. They could have easily sent her in to R&B Female Vocal, Traditional R&B and Urban/Alternative categories with You Know I'm No Good, Tears Dry On Their Own, Love Is A Losing Game etc and I think she would've gotten even more nominations/wins. All things said however, yeah I'd say either Amy or Lauryn Hill had the most impressive nights. Then Alicia & Norah. Then Beyonce.
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Post by Pulse on Feb 20, 2008 15:12:08 GMT -5
I think there is a difference. Like if we said Song Of The Year is really Best Pop Song, would Album Of The Year really be Best Pop Album?
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 15:31:01 GMT -5
How is Song of the Year the same as Best Pop Song? If so, Album of the Year should eliminate Best Pop Vocal Album and Record of the Year should eliminate all Pop Vocal Recording categories. This year, SOTY is clogged with pop songs (except for BHC) but last year a country song won, in 06 a rock song won, in 04 an R&B song won, in 02 an R&B song won, in 01 a rock song won etc. Dont Know Why and Daughters are the only pop songs released this decade that have won Song of the Year. I don't see why pop songwriters arent awarded the same way songwriters are in rock, r&b, rap, country etc. Lauryn was massive with 11 nods but I think R&B artists always have an easier time racking up nominations. Lauryn went 5/11 whereas Amy won 5 despite only being SUBMITTED by her label for 7 categories. They could have easily sent her in to R&B Female Vocal, Traditional R&B and Urban/Alternative categories with You Know I'm No Good, Tears Dry On Their Own, Love Is A Losing Game etc and I think she would've gotten even more nominations/wins. All things said however, yeah I'd say either Amy or Lauryn Hill had the most impressive nights. Then Alicia & Norah. Then Beyonce. I said "I" think Song of the Year is basically Best Pop Song. Most of the songs recognized in that category are Pop songs (or Pop driven) even if they are sung by a R&B or Rock or country artist. I would consider "Fallin" as a pop song (well the lyrics are) because it is not the typical R&B written song. Also when was the last time, a serious R&B song like "Bed" (most R&B songs are about sex and etc.) or "When I See You" was nominated? Do you get my drift? You can't look at the person who is singing it and say "Yep! That is a so and so type song." "Dance With My Father" doesn't have the typical R&B lyrics to it (even though it was nominated in R&B Field due to the label's decision). But anyway, I don't think Best Pop Song is needed because I see Song of the Year as that. If you think otherwise then to each his own. I still wouldn't rank Amy's winnings to Lauryn. Alicia was only nominated for 6 awards in her night just like Amy.
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 15:34:18 GMT -5
I think there is a difference. Like if we said Song Of The Year is really Best Pop Song, would Album Of The Year really be Best Pop Album? You're right, there is difference. But how would you go by classifying what is a pop song because most songs (on mainstream) are urban driven now?
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 20, 2008 15:52:03 GMT -5
But comparing Alicia to Amy... Both won Song of the Year Both won Best New Artist Both won genre album award (Best R&B Album, Best Pop Album) Both won genre recording award (Pop Female Vocal, R&B Female Vocal) Alicia won Best R&B Song - Amy clearly would've won Best Pop Song if it existed Amy won Record of the Year So to me, Amy seems to have had a bigger night. Even if SOTY was similar to Pop Song, it still gives artists of other genres oppurtunities to rack up nominations/wins that pop-categorized-artists dont have. For example, though Alicia Keys was not nominated for SOTY this year for No One, she still won as a songwriter for that song this year whereas there is no "consilation prize" for pop songs that dont win SOTY. PS. Not attacking, just saying that I think it'd be a worth addition to the Grammy panel.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 20, 2008 17:06:15 GMT -5
Wrong. Norah was the one who had the biggest night of them all. She (along with Amy) was able to score 3 wins in the General Field, however, hers included the biggest prize of them all, Abum of the Year. "Don't Know Why" also won an additional Grammy for 'Song of the Year', a reward Norah would have won if she had a hand in writing it. She didn't so it doesn't matter, but her album still saw a clean sweep in the all four major categories of 2003 nonetheless. She would be placed at #1.
#2 is between Lauryn and Amy. The former won 2 in the General Field and was the first female to achieve 5 wins in a night which included a win for Album of the Year (the 1st rap album to do so) while the latter won 3 in the General Field, and was the only one of the five to be nominated in all four major categories. They both won 'Best New Artist' and a reward for their albums and vocal performances in their respective genres. I don't know, I can make an argument for both woman, get back to me on this...
The next spot belongs to Alicia. Like Amy, she was able to nab 3 of her Grammys on the strength of only one song. Her wins included 2 for her writing skills (the only one amongst this group to do so) and the "one-night-only" award that is 'Best New Artist.'
On the bottom of the list is Beyonce, who despite winning an equal share of trophies, only won in the R&B and Rap categories. Self-explanatory.
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 17:33:17 GMT -5
But comparing Alicia to Amy... Both won Song of the Year Both won Best New Artist Both won genre album award (Best R&B Album, Best Pop Album) Both won genre recording award (Pop Female Vocal, R&B Female Vocal) Alicia won Best R&B Song - Amy clearly would've won Best Pop Song if it existed Amy won Record of the Year So to me, Amy seems to have had a bigger night. Even if SOTY was similar to Pop Song, it still gives artists of other genres oppurtunities to rack up nominations/wins that pop-categorized-artists dont have. For example, though Alicia Keys was not nominated for SOTY this year for No One, she still won as a songwriter for that song this year whereas there is no "consilation prize" for pop songs that dont win SOTY. PS. Not attacking, just saying that I think it'd be a worth addition to the Grammy panel. Oh I know you're not attacking. We having a friendly conversation (unlike some of those who can't hehe). But anyway, I get your point though. I still feel the Best Pop Song isn't needed.
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Post by keyslawton on Feb 20, 2008 17:34:54 GMT -5
Wrong. Norah was the one who had the biggest night of them all. She (along with Amy) was able to score 3 wins in the General Field, however, hers included the biggest prize of them all, Abum of the Year. "Don't Know Why" also won an additional Grammy for 'Song of the Year', a reward Norah would have won if she had a hand in writing it. She didn't so it doesn't matter, but her album still saw a clean sweep in the all four major categories of 2003 nonetheless. She would be placed at #1. #2 is between Lauryn and Amy. The former won 2 in the General Field and was the first female to achieve 5 wins in a night which included a win for Album of the Year (the 1st rap album to do so) while the latter won 3 in the General Field, and was the only one of the five to be nominated in all four major categories. They both won 'Best New Artist' and a reward for their albums and vocal performances in their respective genres. I don't know, I can make an argument for both woman, get back to me on this... The next spot belongs to Alicia. Like Amy, she was able to nab 3 of her Grammys on the strength of only one song. Her wins included 2 for her writing skills (the only one amongst this group to do so) and the "one-night-only" award that is 'Best New Artist.' On the bottom of the list is Beyonce, who despite winning an equal share of trophies, only won in the R&B and Rap categories. Self-explanatory. Okay I agree with you! My ranking: Norah Lauryn Amy/Alicia Beyonce
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 20, 2008 20:35:09 GMT -5
Although Norah won AOTY, I always resist putting her above Amy & Lauryn and maybe Alicia because she only wrote on 3 tracks on the album (didn't write the song that won 3 grammys that night). I still consider Norah an "artist" and respect her alot, I do put the others in a different category because Alicia, Amy & Lauryn were MAIN writers on their entire albums. I don't know...Norah's music definitely had the best night but I don't know if Norah did.
Also, I know you put Amy in front of Alicia but just pointing out again (haha) that you said Alicia was the only one of the 5 artists to win 2 songwriting awards...Amy could've if she were given a chance at Best Pop Song.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Feb 20, 2008 20:38:34 GMT -5
Alicia is sooo talented. I think it would go:
Amy Alicia / Lauryn Norah
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Post by musicjunky318 on Feb 20, 2008 21:18:40 GMT -5
Although Norah won AOTY, I always resist putting her above Amy & Lauryn and maybe Alicia because she only wrote on 3 tracks on the album (didn't write the song that won 3 grammys that night). I still consider Norah an "artist" and respect her alot, I do put the others in a different category because Alicia, Amy & Lauryn were MAIN writers on their entire albums. I don't know...Norah's music definitely had the best night but I don't know if Norah did. Also, I know you put Amy in front of Alicia but just pointing out again (haha) that you said Alicia was the only one of the 5 artists to win 2 songwriting awards...Amy could've if she were given a chance at Best Pop Song. Oh I totally agree that Lauryn, Alicia, and Amy are all perhaps superior in terms of writing ability, hence why I mentioned their achievements in the various writing fields. Songwriting, however, is only one of many ways to reward music excellence. 'Album of the Year' in itself awards an entire album, including the artist, producer, recording engineer, mastering engineer, etc., easily becoming the most sought after Grammy. Despite her lacking in musical composition (in comparison to those previous mentioned)Norah's win in the most prestigious category, along with two others in the General Field says to me that she and her album had the most success. Her songwriting? Of course not, that wasn't rewarded. But her vocals along with the album as a whole was. With that being said, I agree with your idea about adding a 'Best Pop Song' category for songwriters. They have one for almost every other specific field, why not add another for Pop Music?
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