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Post by MyLastView on Oct 27, 2006 14:05:44 GMT -5
Oh my. He's pulling a Paris Hilton with the album title.
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Post by Jeff on Oct 27, 2006 14:09:13 GMT -5
I think 1.5 is a sure shot fo rhim, antyhing over that would be a miracle.
Plus, Rock don't really tend to AI, so don't be looking fo rhim on those charts. haha
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Post by jewel88 on Oct 27, 2006 14:46:24 GMT -5
Well we'll see what happens. Only 3 people from Idol have been able to go at least Triple Platinum. Kelly who went Double with her first album and 5X Platinum with her second. Carrie, who will probably go 4X Platinum with her Debut Album. Clay who went Triple with his first. The track record for Idols who did not win is not good. Maybe Chris will be the exception, who knows. But Mario got a lot of radio play and promotion and look what he sold. But his attitude is going to be his undoing, it really turns people off. It's one thing for a Successful Rock Singer to have that attitude, totally another for someone just starting out. He'd be better off to tone it down for interviews though. What surprises me is the fact that he was very Rock on the show, yet the songs sound very Pop. Sorry but he is NOT triple platinum. He's been sitting at 2.7 million for two years now, a lot of times once the sophomore album hits and becomes a hit it can propell that freshmen effort over the hump that it was unable to make otherwise (kelly is a great example of that). However, since his sophomore album flopped big time sitting at 52 in only it's 4th week, I can say it is safe to bet he debut will remain and stay double platinum for many years to come. BTW, Daughtry's new music sounds so good, I think he's put out the best non winner material to date. Go boy get that 3 million of your dreams as the material sounds good enough to do it.
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Post by filomena123 on Oct 27, 2006 14:59:08 GMT -5
Clay's album shipped triple platinum in early 2004, but the same record company that rushed to certify Bo's single gold with just over 200K in sales, was never in a hurry to apply for triple certification for Measure of a Man. They never certified Ruben's Soulful either, even though it shipped double platinum ages ago.
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Post by desertflower on Oct 27, 2006 16:12:28 GMT -5
I thought I was in Chris's thread. Did I wander in Clay's instead?
you are quoting the Soundscan figures. Not all outlets report to Soundscan. Perhaps for the certification, they count all the outlets. Such as Costco, Sam's Club, and the Record Clubs. besides they use the number for how many shipped, not sold.
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Post by Pickler_fan on Oct 27, 2006 16:34:27 GMT -5
i have heard preview clips..its awesome
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Post by Rumors on Oct 27, 2006 16:46:40 GMT -5
I was wondering if his "band" actually played on the album. Kind of a weird concept...promoting yourself as a band to gain some rock cred yet the "band" didn't record the songs. I think Chris has the Scott Stapp factor going for him. Pretty good looking guy who is going to be pretty cocky. It worked for Scott for a few years until he self-destructed. The same will happen with Chris. He already has the name recognition. Sounds like people are liking his songs. Like I said, Clive is going to make this happen. I won't even be that upset. Maybe it'll mean less Nickelback on my radio. HotAC and Pop are only going to push a certain number of these "rock" songs to the top. Remember that the lighter rock of The Fray and Snow Patrol is also doing well now.
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Post by jewel88 on Oct 27, 2006 17:02:41 GMT -5
I thought I was in Chris's thread. Did I wander in Clay's instead? you are quoting the Soundscan figures. Not all outlets report to Soundscan. Perhaps for the certification, they count all the outlets. Such as Costco, Sam's Club, and the Record Clubs. besides they use the number for how many shipped, not sold. Yes, this is chris' thread but how many theads are really here that contain only a mention of the topic title. You yourself mentioned not only Clay but Carrie and Kelly in this chris thread. So, if you can mention someone, don't get all defensive when someone else mentions someone other then what the topic is about. Plus, it'd also be nice if you get you facts straight and by your posting it doens't sound like you like chris much at all. Your right though.
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Post by desertflower on Oct 27, 2006 17:34:12 GMT -5
True enough
The trouble is I only mentioned these three in relationship to the sales figures of former Idol Alums. No disrespect was made to any of these three, nor did I pontificate on the Artistic merits of anyone other than Chris.
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What facts did I get wrong? I didn't realize posting in a thread required you to be a fan. I just brought info over about Chris, including a download of an interview. I actually liked Chris on the show, but his arrogance is turning me off. In addition, the who manufactured Band thing is making me lose a lot of respect for Chris.
About what?
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Post by Jeff on Oct 27, 2006 18:00:58 GMT -5
I doubt the band he'll tour with is the band that played on the CD. A band is someone who writes lyrics and music, produces and sings together. I'm sure that didn't happen. I'm sure the producers he worked with wrote the lyrics and music, while producing and playing the instraments. All the needed him for was too sing. He's nothing but a solo artsit, trying to get rock cred. Basically, he's just another Bo, a faker wanting to be a rocker.
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Post by area51 on Oct 27, 2006 18:34:19 GMT -5
He is playing a Concert at NCSU, which seats 10,000. He told the listeners that they better hurry up and buy tickets, because he was used to selling out 22,000 Venues. Forget your AI buddies already? Chris is in danger of becoming the poster boy for arrogance. He's used to selling out 22,000 venues? All by his lonesome? Really?
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Post by Jeff on Oct 27, 2006 18:41:42 GMT -5
No, he's use to selling about 15K with 11 other people from the worlds #1 show. ^
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Post by eljefro on Oct 29, 2006 9:16:14 GMT -5
His single isn't being released to radio this week according to the adds list...is it delayed...is his album delayed another week?...they are really pushing it....
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Post by lclemons on Oct 30, 2006 12:48:09 GMT -5
I just checked and his album is still on track for November 21. I can't believe he is only slated for 4 shows for Promotion...Ellen, Live w/ Regis & Kelly, Jimmy Kimmel and Southern Sports awards...WTF is that?
Meanwhile, Taylor and Kat have tons of promo lined up and they have both performed at some of Clive's benefits and fundraisers.
I think one of the smartest things Taylor and Katharine did was find a way out of 19 Management and signed with other companies to handle their promotion. Chris stayed with 19M....at least that is my understanding.
Still, once radio starts playing the crap out of the single he should be okay.
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I just checked and his album is still on track for November 21. I can't believe he is only slated for 4 shows for Promotion...Ellen, Live w/ Regis & Kelly, Jimmy Kimmel and Southern Sports awards...WTF is that? Maybe more promotional spots will be added later on. He needs to go on Oprah and he'll be set.
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Post by lclemons on Oct 30, 2006 15:11:57 GMT -5
True, I know Taylor is doing Oprah so maybe he will be on it too.
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Post by eljefro on Oct 30, 2006 15:44:20 GMT -5
Maybe Kat and Talyor could go to The Firm and Azoff in exchange for 19 taking Chris and Kellie? 19 is just awful although they have done good with Carrie Underwood...Chris should've went with more adept rock managers....his single isn't being pushed hard enough this close to his release...
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 30, 2006 15:47:07 GMT -5
Taylor is already with The Firm. Kellie is with Hoffman Entertainment. And Kat is with Azoff.
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Post by eljefro on Oct 30, 2006 15:52:35 GMT -5
Kat is with Irving Azoff but who is Hoffman...do they rep other country artists? I'm guessing Chris is with 19 since the exec from there only made a statement about Daughtry's album over the summer.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 30, 2006 16:15:47 GMT -5
Hoffman Entertainment's other clients include John Mellancamp and Heather Headley. I don't personally read anything into the fact that Iain Pirie of 19E only commented on Chris' album -- Taylor, Katharine, Chris and Kellie are all signed to 19 Recordings, after all.
As far as promoting Chris' single to radio goes...with this kind of quick turnaround on the album, it's not surprising that the single isn't seeing a huge push now. My guess is that the single's debut will be treated as an event on a few major market Pop and Hot AC stations (like WXKS Boston) in the next couple of weeks. I think it will build steadily but slowly during the holiday season, with RCA hoping that Chris' Idol fanbase will keep sales going through the holiday season (buttressed by Chris' TV performances). I think the airplay push will really kick in starting January, and that the hope will be to generate sustained sales based on growing airplay. Any effort to sustain sales can only be helped if AI really does use "Home" as the kiss-off song next season. In that scenario, "Home" would probably be sent out as a 2nd single in March/April.
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Post by shandrim on Oct 30, 2006 16:24:33 GMT -5
I don't think Chris is with 19. The impression I had was that 19 was no longer interested in managing any of the idols and that pretty much all the idols, even the ones originally signed to 19, were now with different management companies. I recall an article mentioning that 19 was getting out of the idol management game. I think they figured out they could still get their cut of the earnings without doing any of the work, and they would actually end up earning even more money because the idols could sell more with managers who actually knew what they were doing.
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Post by eljefro on Oct 30, 2006 16:42:45 GMT -5
I don't think the Idol fanbases will be enough...except for Taylor but even then...promotion and radio play is key. Taylor and Kat have great appearances but Chris and Kellie are lacking...as of now. We'll see what happens....in the coming weeks.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Oct 30, 2006 16:50:16 GMT -5
Which means a #1 single but no album sales right? LMAO
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Post by lclemons on Oct 30, 2006 17:35:35 GMT -5
I would find it hard to believe that Chris would want his single used as the AI song. I mean isn't he trying to build rock cred here? That would just be the nail in his coffin if you ask me. Sure it would be great for short term sales, but long term I think it would be a bad move.
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Post by sunpeach on Oct 30, 2006 18:10:28 GMT -5
He is gong to flop and I can't wait- he is so pompous and an egomaniac- I can't wait for a dose of reality to finally hit this loser.
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Post by Hook on Oct 31, 2006 11:03:40 GMT -5
I doubt the band he'll tour with is the band that played on the CD. A band is someone who writes lyrics and music, produces and sings together. I'm sure that didn't happen. I'm sure the producers he worked with wrote the lyrics and music, while producing and playing the instraments. All the needed him for was too sing. He's nothing but a solo artsit, trying to get rock cred. Basically, he's just another Bo, a faker wanting to be a rocker. Are you really the best person to judge who is a rocker and who isn't...? ??? Chris co-wrote every single song on the album and I'm willing to bet that the band played on the album. They wouldn't be considered a 'band' if they didn't. Remember, Bo released his record as a solo album. Chris isn't releasing a solo record, he's releasing a record with his band named 'Daughtry'.
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Post by psalmlamb on Oct 31, 2006 11:55:00 GMT -5
You would lose your bet. If you read Chris Daughtry's myspace page you will see they didn't get picked until after the cd was recorded.
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Post by shandrim on Oct 31, 2006 12:01:42 GMT -5
Chris co-wrote every single song on the album and I'm willing to bet that the band played on the album. They wouldn't be considered a 'band' if they didn't. You would lose that bet. The "band" members were not even chosen until after the recording was finished. Everything I've read so far indicates that none of them recorded a single note on the album. There have also been indications that the band members were chosen as much (if not more) for their looks as for their music skills. Looking at the pictures, I'd say one of the image requirements was for them not to be too tall, to avoid making Chris look even smaller than he is. The band thing is a fake. The problem is, once an artist becomes part of something so fake and manufactured, you start to wonder what else is false. For example, I wonder how much of that "co-writing the whole album" represents Chris really writing the songs vs Chris being in the room with the other songwriters while they wrote the songs.
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Post by Jeff on Oct 31, 2006 12:13:01 GMT -5
I doubt the band he'll tour with is the band that played on the CD. A band is someone who writes lyrics and music, produces and sings together. I'm sure that didn't happen. I'm sure the producers he worked with wrote the lyrics and music, while producing and playing the instraments. All the needed him for was too sing. He's nothing but a solo artsit, trying to get rock cred. Basically, he's just another Bo, a faker wanting to be a rocker. Are you really the best person to judge who is a rocker and who isn't...? ??? Chris co-wrote every single song on the album and I'm willing to bet that the band played on the album. They wouldn't be considered a 'band' if they didn't. Remember, Bo released his record as a solo album. Chris isn't releasing a solo record, he's releasing a record with his band named 'Daughtry'. ARE YOU? What, I'm gay, so i can't tell what is rock and what is a total fake ass poser? LMAO PAH-LEASE! DAMN, everytime someone bets me, I never answer, then to find out, I COULDA WON! :( Chris'"band" consisted of, him looking at head shots and pointing..... Plus, there's a diffrence between "co writing all the songs" to simply have put in a line or two. My guess Chris is the line or two answer.... he really has no musical talents. He's a fake rocker in a fake band. Like anyone could beleive he could go from a average middle class father and husband, to heavy lead singer in a rock band. Especially coming off one of the most non rock, most mainstream shows on the planet. PAH-LEASE! lol
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Oct 31, 2006 15:40:04 GMT -5
That's why they did it in the first place. They saw that a "rocker" couldn't get credibility as a solo artist, so they built a band around Chris to make it easier to sell him. But with the rush on AI debut albums, it's not like they could get together, rehearse, and write a lot of songs together while Chris was on the AI tour. the other members probably are talented, but the album isn't their work. they're just the face for Chris to get more cred and acceptance.
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