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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 19, 2007 18:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 19:55:37 GMT -5
Please if there is a God in heaven make this go away! The music is crap, the accent is fake, his name is fake and he can't sing! He is a creation, the poster boy for what's wrong with pop music. He is a manufatured pop star.
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Post by Pulse on Jul 19, 2007 19:57:29 GMT -5
Right, and Katharine isn't.
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Post by 455555 on Jul 19, 2007 20:16:18 GMT -5
I must agree with you on that.
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 20:18:51 GMT -5
Right, and Katharine isn't. There was no need to bring her into this discussion. This thread is about Sean Whatever his real last name is. |
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Post by Haley on Jul 19, 2007 20:22:27 GMT -5
Please if there is a God in heaven make this go away! The music is crap, the accent is fake, his name is fake and he can't sing! He is a creation, the poster boy for what's wrong with pop music. He is a manufatured pop star. What do you expect from Clive?  |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 20:26:58 GMT -5
Please if there is a God in heaven make this go away! The music is crap, the accent is fake, his name is fake and he can't sing! He is a creation, the poster boy for what's wrong with pop music. He is a manufatured pop star. What do you expect from Clive? Agreed. It is just so frustrating when there is so much good music out there not getting play and we have to listen to this dribble 24 hours a day. |
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Post by Pulse on Jul 19, 2007 20:33:14 GMT -5
Right, and Katharine isn't. There was no need to bring her into this discussion. This thread is about Sean Whatever his real last name is. I'm just saying, you don't seem to mind manufractured pop stars when they're people you like ;) |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 20:47:13 GMT -5
There was no need to bring her into this discussion. This thread is about Sean Whatever his real last name is. I'm just saying, you don't seem to mind manufractured pop stars when they're people you like ;) Ok just this once I'll respond. The difference is 1. Kat can sing. 2. Kat can dance. 3. Kat is goregous to look at. And there are many more reasons I like the fact that she was "manufatured". Hey everyone that was on AI or all the other talent shows like it, Nashville Star as an example, i.e. Miranda Lambert, are manufactured but at least some of them have actual talent. I don't mind manufatured Pop Stars (see the Monkeys too) when they actually have "IT". You can create a pop star but to me they need something, anything that shows they have that "IT" factor. Sean has none of that IMO. That is what I don't like about modern Pop music. A good producer can take a talentless performer and create a Pop star which is exactly what happened here. Give him a song with a hook ( a stolen one at that) and you can create a sensation. So many of the female Pop Stars are just Pole Dancers that a producer has created a"sound" for. I'm not saying all manufactured Pop stars are bad. But you got to have some talent and I see nothing here. Just a "catchy" hook and a gimmick. Again this is all just my opinion but judging from alot of the posts about Sean here and his call out scores having such strong negatives, I'm not alone in that opinion. |
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 19, 2007 21:20:22 GMT -5
I'm just saying, you don't seem to mind manufractured pop stars when they're people you like ;) Ok just this once I'll respond. The difference is 1. Kat can sing. 2. Kat can dance. 3. Kat is goregous to look at. And there are many more reasons I like the fact that she was "manufatured". Hey everyone that was on AI or all the other talent shows like it, Nashville Star as an example, i.e. Miranda Lambert, are manufactured but at least some of them have actual talent. I don't mind manufatured Pop Stars (see the Monkeys too) when they actually have "IT". You can create a pop star but to me they need something, anything that shows they have that "IT" factor. Sean has none of that IMO. That is what I don't like about modern Pop music. A good producer can take a talentless performer and create a Pop star which is exactly what happened here. Give him a song with a hook ( a stolen one at that) and you can create a sensation. So many of the female Pop Stars are just Pole Dancers that a producer has created a"sound" for. I'm not saying all manufactured Pop stars are bad. But you got to have some talent and I see nothing here. Just a "catchy" hook and a gimmick. Again this is all just my opinion but judging from alot of the posts about Sean here and his call out scores having such strong negatives, I'm not alone in that opinion. Katharine McPhee is marginally talented and will never be near superstar status. Now let's talk about the difference between you and me - I don't go into McPhee threads and troll because I know I dislike her music and don't really want to discuss it. You come into threads about artists you dislike and then claim you wish they'd go away. God helps those who help themselves. If you don't want to hear Kingston's music, don't listen to it. If you don't want to see or know about him, try a different thread. |
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Post by Pulse on Jul 19, 2007 21:22:59 GMT -5
1. Sean can sing too. You might not like his accent, but you can't say he can't sing 2. She does a few moves in Love Story, but she hasn't proven that she can really dance yet. 3. So you're holding Sean's weight against him? That's kind of a contradictory view considering the weight struggles Katharine used to have. And what do looks have to do with this anyway? So if Sean lost weight and looked sexy, you'd like his music more? And if Katharine was bigger and wasn't as good looking, you'd like her music less? I'm not saying all manufactured Pop stars are bad. But you got to have some talent and I see nothing here. Just a "catchy" hook and a gimmick. Again this is all just my opinion but judging from alot of the posts about Sean here and his call out scores having such strong negatives, I'm not alone in that opinion. The call out scores did not have such strong negatives. You know what CCDD said about them, about how they weren't great, but they weren't bad either. And if we want to talk about the charts, Love Story isn't even charting. I would say that that's worse than some average call out numbers. As for this board, if you've been here long enough, you know how this board generally leans. Overall, it's not very fond of R&B or urban music, especially not male artists. Everytime someone likes a pop song/artist that flops, people get angry and shift the blame to some male urban artist. (Female urban artists, people don't seem to mind as much even if they have a weak voice. I guess that goes back to your 3rd point about people listing looks in reasons why they like the music/artist LOL) And that's what it seems like you're doing here. You're a big fan of Kat and want Love Story to become a smash, and it's flopping, so you're look for someone to "blame". And Sean's your release. |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 21:49:42 GMT -5
Well I will reply to both with this. I guess what you are saying is that we can only post in threads of artists we like? Is that what this site is all about? I thought is was a site to comment about music both good AND bad. I didn't think this was a "FAN" site. I came here to learn about all sorts of artists and comment on what I like and what I don't. But you are saying that if I'm not a FAN I'm not welcome in these threads. I just wish that was posted somewhere so I would waste my time reading about other performers. But I guess I can't from what you are telling me here.
And yes, I am frustrated that Love Story is not performing the way I think it should. But my concern is not just about Kat's music, there are many artists I'd like to hear more of on the radio and less of this artist. Even if Kat's song was the smash I think it deserves to be I'd still think this is BAD music. And it is NOT male Urban music it is Bubblegum Reggae. I like good Urban music, Ryan Leslie, Ne-Yo, and many other male urban artists that can actually sing. But Sean "Kingston" can not! We can have differences of opinion about various artists and have positive discussions about songs as long as we keep it respectful and on point. That is all I am trying to do. Sean is an example of what causes me and some others to turn off the radio.
As far as the #'s go they are what they are and I can't change that. I would if I could but I'd still rather be a fan of quality music by talented performers than gimmicks and no talent.
BTW one final thing. It's not his accent I don't like as you always seem to point to when people say they don't like his voice. He simply can't sing. I love Bob and Ziggy Marley, Jimmy Cliff and a number of Reggae accents. But the difference is they have the ability to sing and make you feel the song and this kid doesn't.
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Post by cbmc99 on Jul 19, 2007 22:09:40 GMT -5
I saw that Good Ol' posted this in the JoJo's thread so I'm going to take the liberty of posting this here with credit to Good Ol' www.zshare.net/audio/276538183c697a/JoJo's own version of Beautiful Girls -- SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL!! |
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Post by Pulse on Jul 19, 2007 22:14:32 GMT -5
Well I will reply to both with this. I guess what you are saying is that we can only post in threads of artists we like? Is that what this site is all about? I thought is was a site to comment about music both good AND bad. I didn't think this was a "FAN" site. I came here to learn about all sorts of artists and comment on what I like and what I don't. But you are saying that if I'm not a FAN I'm not welcome in these threads. I just wish that was posted somewhere so I would waste my time reading about other performers. But I guess I can't from what you are telling me here. We get that you don't like the song. That's fine. But now what? What are you trying to accomplish posting the same thing over and over again? If I don't like a song, I'll express an opinion, and leave it at that. I'm not going to troll around in a thread about a song/artist I don't like. What you're doing is not much different from what Griz was doing in the Kat threads. Beautiful Girls isn't "Bubblegum Reggae". Me Love is the one with the reggae flavor. If you're angry that Love Story is a flop, posting in this thread is not going to make it become a smash. Again, what are you trying to accomplish? If you're angry and need a release, do it somewhere else. But don't troll this thread. Well, if you posted like this from the start, we might not be having this conversation. Have you seen your other posts about him? You're not very respectful at all But then why are you such a big fan of Kat? You brought up three points to support her, and you know she's not a dancer, and her looks are irrelevant to her artistry, and her voice isn't the most powerful/distinctive. Like WotUNeed said, she's not exactly the most talented artist out there. It seems hypocrtical to be criticizing "talent", but then to be supporting someone who isn't exactly the most talented artist out there either. That's a subjective thing. You might "feel" a song from one artist, but not feel something from another. That doesn't mean an artist who doesn't make you "feel" a song isn't talented, and that an artist who makes you "feel" a song is automatically talented. |
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Post by Pulse on Jul 19, 2007 22:17:04 GMT -5
I saw that Good Ol' posted this in the JoJo's thread so I'm going to take the liberty of posting this here with credit to Good Ol' www.zshare.net/audio/276538183c697a/JoJo's own version of Beautiful Girls -- SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL!! Very cool cover. Thanks for posting that and thanks to Good Ol'. I hope people will stop getting hung up on his voice/accent now and appreciate the great melody of the song. |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 19, 2007 22:38:04 GMT -5
First of all, you were the one that brought up Kat, not I. I had no intention of posting about her here till you mentioned her name. I don't like to get into those fan wars or comparing artists. That is why I left the AI site. It serves no purpose and everyone just ends up defending their favs without really listening to the other person's opinion. It's pointless.
I will be glad to have a discussion some other place about why I love Kat as much as I do but this isn't the place except for the fact that there are many many other reasons why I am as big a fan as I am. And maybe I haven't been as respectful as I should have been and I apologize, but I haven't heard a song in years I hate more than this one. lol
And finally about griz, I would never post in such an offensive and gloating manner. It's not my style. Gloating about the accomplishments of your fav in order to put down someone elses is pointless and will only harm the poster in the long run.
One last thing, I liked the "great melody of the song" when I first heard it over 40 years ago. lol Now THAT was a good song!
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 19, 2007 23:44:46 GMT -5
How is talking about suicide positive and feel-good?  |
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Post by MyLastView on Jul 20, 2007 0:02:07 GMT -5
How is talking about suicide positive and feel-good? LMAO!!! JoJo owns Sean Flopston's ass. |
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Post by cbmc99 on Jul 20, 2007 0:05:21 GMT -5
How is talking about suicide positive and feel-good? lol my thoughts exactly... |
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Post by busyboy on Jul 20, 2007 4:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 20, 2007 4:41:53 GMT -5
"You sound like the dumb friend everybody has to like talk to as a group because when you talk to her one-on-one she never listens."  @ the whole thing. Becca and Kingston both sounded like idiots. |
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Post by Pulse on Jul 20, 2007 5:59:57 GMT -5
Like I said above, he's a succesful mainstream male urban artist, which makes him an easy target here for people who can't handle their favorite pop artists flopping and need an outlet. And looks seem to be a big factor here in what makes people here become fans of artists, so the fact that he isn't a sexy pop diva turns away people. Although everyone knows that if this was Rihanna singing it, with a similar type of accent and less powerful vocals, everyone would be in love with it. The link isn't working for me..what does it say? LOL |
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Post by busyboy on Jul 20, 2007 6:26:29 GMT -5
^ Mine was more of a general statement, the hate here, in the Kelly Rowland thread, the weekly battle concerning airplay vs. sales on the Hot 100, the Madonna vs. Mariah, the Kelly Clarkson vs. Hannah, Taylor Hicks vs. Katarine McPhee, seems to me it's reaching new heights every day...
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Post by Pulse on Jul 20, 2007 6:50:22 GMT -5
LOL Sean is so smooth But yeah, it does seem like the board is going downhill lately in general. No one can have a decent conversation. It's just all back and forth nonsense. |
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Post by rehab on Jul 20, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -5
How is talking about suicide positive and feel-good? LMAO!!! JoJo owns Sean Flopston's ass. Isnt Beautiful Girl bigger than the last two singles JoJo released? You guys are taking SUICIDAL way too seriously. |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 20, 2007 10:34:44 GMT -5
LMAO!!! JoJo owns Sean Flopston's ass. Isnt Beautiful Girl bigger than the last two singles JoJo released? You guys are taking SUICIDAL way too seriously. Sorry and I haven't mentioned this before but as someone who has known teen suicide and watched my son deal with it from a friend, that statement is offensive. |
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 20, 2007 10:57:05 GMT -5
You guys are taking SUICIDAL way too seriously. Perhaps rather than "seriously," the word was "literally." Kingston isn't talking about a literal suicide. Suicidal has more than one connotation, and it's fairly clear in this song that he doesn't mean literally suicidal, in my interpretation. However, what if he really did have a horrible experience with beautiful women that left him dealing with suicidal thoughts? That's not what I think, but if that's your interpretation, then that, too, fits with the lyrics, and adds a darker turn to this song. Either way, it's not like he's throwing around the term as if it's a light-hearted or minor thing. It's not a happy song! |
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Post by uplink2 on Jul 20, 2007 11:06:52 GMT -5
You guys are taking SUICIDAL way too seriously. Perhaps rather than "seriously," the word was "literally." Kingston isn't talking about a literal suicide. Suicidal has more than one connotation, and it's fairly clear in this song that he doesn't mean literally suicidal, in my interpretation. However, what if he really did have a horrible experience with beautiful women that left him dealing with suicidal thoughts? That's not what I think, but if that's your interpretation, then that, too, fits with the lyrics, and adds a darker turn to this song. Either way, it's not like he's throwing around the term as if it's a light-hearted or minor thing. It's not a happy song! Well then if he wasn't concerned about it then why did they do a "clean" version with the lyric changed to "In Denial"? Obviously they knew it would bring attention to the song. Why not just release the In Denial version? |
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 20, 2007 11:40:57 GMT -5
Perhaps rather than "seriously," the word was "literally." Kingston isn't talking about a literal suicide. Suicidal has more than one connotation, and it's fairly clear in this song that he doesn't mean literally suicidal, in my interpretation. However, what if he really did have a horrible experience with beautiful women that left him dealing with suicidal thoughts? That's not what I think, but if that's your interpretation, then that, too, fits with the lyrics, and adds a darker turn to this song. Either way, it's not like he's throwing around the term as if it's a light-hearted or minor thing. It's not a happy song! Well then if he wasn't concerned about it then why did they do a "clean" version with the lyric changed to "In Denial"? Obviously they knew it would bring attention to the song. Why not just release the In Denial version? I don't think that was necessarily his choice to release it. My guess would be that other people misinterpreted/overreacted and complained, which caused them to re-record it for those so inclined if it meant additional airplay, potential additional sales, and ultimately $$$. Commercial success is always the bottom line, and if that means a little less integrity and a little more giving way to those who complain, many are willing to do it. |
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Post by MyLastView on Jul 20, 2007 11:43:47 GMT -5
LMAO!!! JoJo owns Sean Flopston's ass. Isnt Beautiful Girl bigger than the last two singles JoJo released? You guys are taking SUICIDAL way too seriously. LMFAO!! 196 JOJO Beautiful Boy 2007 --- 6 0 6 0.014 |
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@ the whole thing. Becca and Kingston both sounded like idiots.
