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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 28, 2010 16:45:46 GMT -5
Kim is far from relevant. 'Tis true.
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 28, 2010 18:19:24 GMT -5
Kim is far from irrelevant. Agreed. she still very much has a base, a base that is hungry for real rapping. she just needs to have a solid deal, fix her image, get more professional people around her and put out good music. The black Friday record is generating a lot of good, positve buzz for her. Most agree that she slayed Nicki. the thing is, Kim didn't even put out her best there. I'm sure she is waiting for Nicki to respond to really go in. If Nicki does respond and soon, she will defnitely lose street cred. Her album reviews are not good, she will continue to sell to the kids but I think her sales will soon fall off unless she comes with another good gimmick. Puffy, I believe use to manage Lil Kim and she said she considered him like a brother and now he is managing Nicki which means he is for sure signing off on roman's Revenge and the HOt 97 diss hence why she probably feels portrayed. Puffy is a snake!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 18:21:28 GMT -5
Most agree that she slayed Nicki. the thing is, Kim didn't even put out her best there. I'm sure she is waiting for Nicki to respond to really go in. If Nicki does respond and soon, she will defnitely lose street cred. pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=polling&action=display&thread=102250LOL on WHAT planet? The blogs/social networking sites etc are all talking about how Kim just looked like a fool with her ghost written mess
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Post by slw84 on Nov 28, 2010 18:52:49 GMT -5
Most agree that she slayed Nicki. Not really, many feel she just put a dent in it and could have completely went harder to destroy her. the thing is, Kim didn't even put out her best there agreed. I'm sure she is waiting for Nicki to respond to really go in. That's my thing...hopefully Nicki doesn't entertain Kim. Nicki used her during album release week to set the record straght...does she need to entertain Kim when kim's looks like a washed up bitter hasbeen...not to say that she is all of those things but there are those viewing her in that light.
If Nicki does respond and soon, she will defnitely lose street cred. Nicki should just continue promoting her album...possibly touring in 2011 and doing her thing. Let kim put out her record and appreciate the fact that she helped Kim out because more people are checking for Kim now than they were earlier this year.pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=polling&action=display&thread=102250LOL on WHAT planet? The blogs/social networking sites etc are all talking about how Kim just looked like a fool with her ghost written mess +1 metacritic gives an interesting spin on critic reviews for Kim's album
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Post by twilight on Nov 28, 2010 19:05:28 GMT -5
Kim is far from irrelevant. Agreed. she still very much has a base, a base that is hungry for real rapping. she just needs to have a solid deal, fix her image, get more professional people around her and put out good music. The black Friday record is generating a lot of good, positve buzz for her. Most agree that she slayed Nicki. the thing is, Kim didn't even put out her best there. I'm sure she is waiting for Nicki to respond to really go in. If Nicki does respond and soon, she will defnitely lose street cred. Her album reviews are not good, she will continue to sell to the kids but I think her sales will soon fall off unless she comes with another good gimmick. Puffy, I believe use to manage Lil Kim and she said she considered him like a brother and now he is managing Nicki which means he is for sure signing off on roman's Revenge and the HOt 97 diss hence why she probably feels portrayed. Puffy is a snake! This ^ i agree with. Puffy is a snake, he follows anything that brings him money, which is why Bad Boy have no real artists. Kim did her thing on this track. All she really needs to do is to follow alot of what you have mentioned above.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 28, 2010 19:13:02 GMT -5
What the hell does Diddy have to do with Drake ? Nothing but I believe in her new song she goes after Nicki, Diddy, and Drake. Drake talked about Kim remember ? Wasn't that after Kim took shots publicly at Nicki...Like jadakiss said...if Kim had an issue she should have done something about it right away instead of letting it build in her until she got outrageous while Nicki was making moves and making her mark in 2010.Also, Drake made a good point but stating that male artists wouldn't be spilling their feelings all in the air an expected all that insecure Kim is expecting...meanwhile there are various youtubes showing Nicki paying homage. LOL.I think Kim is just angry, because she feels alot of people have abandoned her. Diddy is two-faced. He just follows the money. He is a hustler and a businessman...IT"s the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY people...there's no loyalty. Diddy is an azz but people need to stop acting as if Biggie, Kim and others he put on were sugar and spice and everything nice. Kim is no angel...it's just Diddy is more clever and gets his business in order. To me, Kim is not that much better than Diddy in the grand scheme. She seems to be more of a heart on your sleeves kind of chick, though. He's basically kissing Nicki's azz. Nicki's walking around like she's sold 50 million albums. Subjective and opinion not fact...various interviews she talks about how she still feels like she has a lot to prove and honestly was unsure about whether the album would sell well first week...hoping it will sell well overtime. I see a new york girl with assertive attitude but not "I'm holier than thou" at all...I would be turned off if she did that so soon or at all TBH. She has better humble herself. You might be hot at the moment, but don't take that for granted, just because the other ladies aren't making music currently does not mean that they are hasbeens. True...unfortunately a true innovator like Kim Missy seems to have had her moment although I'd love to see her hit again...Kim can possibly go either way...Eve is a toss up...Foxy SMH...Remy could do something after she gets released...not to sure about the rest.
They have all made great music, and contributed alot to hiphop. Kim's last album almost went gold, she did what she could under the circumstances. True...even at her peak when digital was not what it is now...she couldn't pull 300k numbers first week but Ithink that Kim needs to get some cred back...the streets have deemed her hollywood, many have deemed her a hasbeen (dancing with the stars SMH), and as years go by more and more are aware that for all of her grandious (sp) attitude that she managed to take credit for what Biggie and other ghostwriters did, she is a plastic as a real barbie, and she did not set herself up for the long haul financially....just finally getting her publishing back a decade and a half into her career...a one trick pony that talks about three things...could keep her management game tight...I won't even go into what Ego did back on the first couple of pages of this thread my hope is that she stays away from the sex talk, bossing (which she is not), flossing (which she is not really doing) and provide some Lauryn Hill-the singing type substance. Basically grow the eff up and make people see as more than a one-trick predictable pony.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Nov 28, 2010 19:38:55 GMT -5
I don't see Krim doing Lauryn-type lyricism. If she says she got hot stuff coming out at the top of the year,then we will see. Other than that,she's really bitter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 19:43:44 GMT -5
Saying she should just become like Lauryn Hill and she will have a comeback is ridiculous. LOL Lauryn Hill released one of the most respected urban albums of all the time and was an excellent lyricist and record producer. Lil Kim didnt even write her best songs and the majority of her songs are about sex or her vagina
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Saying she should just become like Lauryn Hill and she will have a comeback is ridiculous. LOL Lauryn Hill released one of the most respected urban albums of all the time and was an excellent lyricist and record producer. Lil Kim didnt even write her best songs and the majority of her songs are about sex or her vagina Exactly. Whenever Lauryn has gone out and done a performance or something recently, it has just been one hot mess. That said, I do love Lauryn and hope she could make a comeback, but if it's going to be like that, she doesn't need to bother. Now on the subject of Kim...Sexual songs have always been a thing she has done and it wouldn't be the same if she stopped doing those altogether, but what new things can she really rap about her vajayjay? Vajayjays haven't changed much during the time she has been 'away.' And there will come a time (if it hasn't already) that people will not go for that sort of thing anymore, or as much. When she is older some people will be off-put by such lyrics (again, if they haven't been already).
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 29, 2010 10:15:35 GMT -5
Most agree that she slayed Nicki. the thing is, Kim didn't even put out her best there. I'm sure she is waiting for Nicki to respond to really go in. If Nicki does respond and soon, she will defnitely lose street cred. pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=polling&action=display&thread=102250LOL on WHAT planet? The blogs/social networking sites etc are all talking about how Kim just looked like a fool with her ghost written mess For the blogs that matter and the urban blogs which are her market, that's the planet I based it on. The song got props. In NYC, it's getting a lot of spins. According to her producer,she wrote it but that's irrelevant, her delivery was on point. This is a more focused critical, music site. On twitter, w bit more universal although still myopic, the song got props. Not sure what blogs you checked, but most of the larger urban blogs, the comment section including rap up had more activity than usual, which is good and from an artist how doesn'thave a formidable internet presence as suppose to Nicki, she got a lot of praise for the track. I've seen several specific hip hop blog categories, saying she slayed/ethered Nicki. You may choose not to believe it but that's cool. I donβt' stan for either but I do prefer more of a real hip hop flow that a hip-pop flow that's represented on Nicki's album. This talk about sales is irrelevant. When Kim was out at her peak, there were many more female rap acts out so there was competition and the market was segmented. Now, there is no one out commercially in the female rap category so I would expect Nicki to have great sales . Her team has done a great job in branding. In addition, there was no twitter, facebook and all of the other networking sites, blogs etc so in a sense having a more direct chanel to fans and potential fans, unfiltered with no competition is pretty much an easy dunk shot.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Nov 29, 2010 10:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 10:46:28 GMT -5
provide some Lauryn Hill-the singing type substance. This is a great idea, slw84. Perhaps Kim should hire the men who sued Lauryn for exclusion of writing/production credits on Miseducation. *blinks* ;) I listened to The Notorious KIM for the first time in years yesterday; it was actually a better album than I remember it being. Looking back, all of her albums were pretty good -- just overly long and full of pussy porn filler, typical of rap in that time and often now. Remember how Kim slayed Foxy Clown & stEVE over a lush K. West beat on "Came Back For You"? That's the Krim we need back.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 13:40:03 GMT -5
provide some Lauryn Hill-the singing type substance. This is a great idea, slw84. Perhaps Kim should hire the men who sued Lauryn for exclusion of writing/production credits on Miseducation. *blinks* ;) I listened to The Notorious KIM for the first time in years yesterday; it was actually a better album than I remember it being. Looking back, all of her albums were pretty good -- just overly long and full of pussy porn filler, typical of rap in that time and often now. Remember how Kim slayed Foxy Clown & stEVE over a lush K. West beat on "Came Back For You"? That's the Krim we need back. Perhaps ;) I bought Hard core and Notorious K.i.m. Her delivery has always been on point but it is clear that she is a one trick pony that is more regarded in the urban world than in pop...still the urban world brands her a hollywood plastic freak of nature. I hope that she has some substance just for growth purposes but I think there is a fanbase for her oversexed, pretentious bossin' (yet not handling her business right) and flossin (yet broke) ;) rhymes. I just think that after so much has gone down...if people are questioning her credibility and focus on her outrageous looks does that mean a fanbase will give her the opportunity of going gold or platinum again? I mean Eve is respected yet will she go platinum again? I could see Lauryn Hill. I don't know if there are any more though.
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Post by tamed09 on Nov 29, 2010 13:48:41 GMT -5
^If the urban community sees Kim as "hollywood and plastic" then what do they see Nicki as?To me Kim still and will always have a more hood pass from the urban community than Nicki. There's nothing wrong with being a "one trick pony" as you say, if some people stuck more to that than trying to be crossover superstars then they would be in better positions down the line in their careers. Everyone isn't meant to POP
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 13:51:37 GMT -5
For the blogs that matter >>>subjective. and the urban blogs which are her market, that's the planet I based it on. The song got props. >>>true but many were left thinking ...is that it? many were expecting her to go harder...also many were thinking she is too damn old to be coming for a newbie considering the fact that she is a legend. Would you see Jay Z, Eminem, Kanye West coming after a newbie? There are reasons... In NYC, it's getting a lot of spins. According to her producer,she wrote it but that's irrelevant, >>>According to her albums, she wrote all of the songs on Hard Core, too...but we know the truth behind that ;) her delivery was on point. >>>True I've seen several specific hip hop blog categories, saying she slayed/ethered Nicki. >>>Wow...I think Nicki will be okay. I am surprised you have seen several sites say that, though This talk about sales is irrelevant. When Kim was out at her peak, there were many more female rap acts out so there was competition and the market was segmented. >>>That doesn't stop people from selling. Now, there is no one out commercially in the female rap category so I would expect Nicki to have great sales . >>>But hype doesn't always translate into sales. The fact that many thought that female hip hop was dead and still after all of her hits were questioning whether nicki could sell albums shows that just because she is featured on tracks doesn't mean that she is going to automatically sell because she is the only female. Otherwise, her single sales would be through the roof. Her team has done a great job in branding. In addition, there was no twitter, facebook and all of the other networking sites, blogs etc so in a sense having a more direct chanel to fans and potential fans, unfiltered with no competition is pretty much an easy dunk shot. No actually...plenty of celebs network with their fans daily...still can't go gold or platinum. Actually, it is easier to become overexposed and have your "15 minutes" end quicker. People could easily have gotten tired of her prior to album release with over a year and a half of features...it's not cut and dry. Nicki and her team just played the game right. They paid homage to Kim to get people talking with that photo. Then she started to do her flirty sexual raps as features...minimize that style of rapping as she progress and started talking about more relatable topics for a wider audience. They branded her image right and she took care of her publishing rights, merchandising and other business things...pretty much she learned from the mistakes of past women in hip hop and took tips from the best and made it her own. I think people will see that it is going to be more than her being "hot right now" but I have been wrong before so...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 14:34:50 GMT -5
I think Kim has more of a hood pass than Nicki but I still dont think she is taken seriously anymore
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 29, 2010 14:41:22 GMT -5
Come on Son, There is a monopoly in the female rap world right now. There is absolutely no 'real' competition right now so she has a fairly easy road. Easier than Fox, Kim, Remy, Shawna had at their peak as the music consumer of that type of music had a plethora of options to choose from. I like a bit of hip-hop but there are no current choices for me except Nicki and I refuse to support her with my $ as I don't care for hip-pop. Others may but not me.
Kudos for her for having her business right, she should as the blueprint is out there for her to follow. However, I donβt' care for subliminals and copies. At the end of the day, I think this Lil Kim/Nicki 'rivalry' is good for female rap. It puts the interest back on the genre and the ladies. I saw a tweet where it said that Black Friday video had received over 1mil views in less than 72hrs. That is monumental as that says there is interest and a potential market. To put it in perspective, Ciara's very good 'gimme dat' video just got to a 1million views after being out for 3wks and some promo. She has a MUCh larger fan base online.
If Kim were smart, s he'd put it on Itunes, perform the song and do a possible low budget but well executed video. She does have support. Her home base holds her down, she just needs to build on that and regain that hunger she had at the beginning. This is good for rap!
Hopefully, we will see more female emcees get the budgets/deals and airplay that the genre is lacking at this time. Lil Kim is extremely talented. She's learned from the best and has seen/heard some of the best. I await her full return and REmyMa and others.
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Post by twilight on Nov 29, 2010 14:50:03 GMT -5
There are many people that have applauded this track. Kim is talented, with the right music and singles she could do some good things. Kim extended her brand past the Urban audience, hence her doing the Lady Marmalade track. She just opened the female emcee up to a whole different level, well she was one of them anyway. However, i agree with u grouper6, she should shoot a low budget but efficient video for the song, and put it up on itunes. Then she should start gathering up producers to start recording a new album. I wonder if she has a label yet. Nicki has made alot of smart decisions when it comes to business. Thats what it's really all about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 15:00:59 GMT -5
OH enough with this Nicki is only successful because shes the only female rapper out there crap. Most of last decade female rappers werent getting cut a break period whether it was Trina or Kim or Eves last project. Foxy spent several years trying to stage a comeback too. People werent having it. No female rapper has had this kind of hype since the 90s. Nicki worked her ass off to build up the hype shes got behind her. Her success wasnt handed to her by default.
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Post by twilight on Nov 29, 2010 16:58:56 GMT -5
No one is saying that Nicki's success was given to her by default, however, everything just fell into place for her. Young Money is hot at the moment, and she happens to be with them, not only that but she also took from Wayn'e blueprint, being on a million and 1 guest features, along with being mentored by Wayne who happens to be one of the hottest rappers out. Her gimmick has helped her in many ways. The whole Barbie/Character role she plays. Alot of kiddies like that stuff. Nicki has some talent, but she had alot of push and help. She built her brand, and for that you can't knock her. Female emcee's have to do so much more just to get the respect they deserve, and she did things the right way.
It's some truth in being the only hot femcee out at the moment, no one else has an album thats receiving so much attention except Nicki. So i guess that means that the other labels have to do their damn job in getting their female rappers the notariety that they deserve. On the brightside of things she's getting people to pay attention to female rappers again.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 21:44:25 GMT -5
^If the urban community sees Kim as "hollywood and plastic" then what do they see Nicki as?To me Kim still and will always have a more hood pass from the urban community than Nicki. There's nothing wrong with being a "one trick pony" as you say, if some people stuck more to that than trying to be crossover superstars then they would be in better positions down the line in their careers. Everyone isn't meant to POP Boo, tell that to Ciara...using JT to get another hit. J/K. They see Nicki in a similar way but Nicki is more accepted to urban and pop. That pop backing is helping her...its not 2003 anymore where hip hop dominated. If you are an artist, you should not want to be a one trick pony...that way you would be in a better position in your career (not viewed as a joke, hollywood, fake, broke, ghostwritten) down the line, as you would say. Evolution is key which is why I hope Kim can do something this next era because if she goes back to the same ol rigamarole then that audience that likes that stuff will rock with it but at some point watching someone do the same thing 15 yrs into their career will catch up with them.
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Post by tamed09 on Nov 29, 2010 21:45:19 GMT -5
Kim will be fine and Nicki will be fine. They both played their cards right and used eachother and it's a big thing. You have people who liked Nicki but have come back to team kim then you have those that were team kim but went to Nicki(a fansite did some dirty stuff). Kim has a nice fanbase but she just wasn't delivering them what they needed from her. Now that she's on a better track then she will be fine.
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Post by tamed09 on Nov 29, 2010 21:56:00 GMT -5
^If the urban community sees Kim as "hollywood and plastic" then what do they see Nicki as?To me Kim still and will always have a more hood pass from the urban community than Nicki. There's nothing wrong with being a "one trick pony" as you say, if some people stuck more to that than trying to be crossover superstars then they would be in better positions down the line in their careers. Everyone isn't meant to POP Boo, tell that to Ciara...using JT to get another hit. J/K. They see Nicki in a similar way but Nicki is more accepted to urban and pop. That pop backing is helping her...its not 2003 anymore where hip hop dominated. If you are an artist, you should not want to be a one trick pony...that way you would be in a better position in your career (not viewed as a joke, hollywood, fake, broke, ghostwritten) down the line, as you would say. Evolution is key which is why I hope Kim can do something this next era because if she goes back to the same ol rigamarole then that audience that likes that stuff will rock with it but at some point watching someone do the same thing 15 yrs into their career will catch up with them. You do know there were huge fans of Nicki who felt the album isn't Hip Hop enough. Nicki isn't even that pop to me but some people in the hood feel they can't relate with her as much anymore. Read her youtube videos from the come up dvds and the first thing you see on most of them is "i miss this nicki, she's fake now". People overdo the pop bs. Just because you make a pop record does not men you sold your soul but at the same time girls in the hood who only have one realm of lifestyle around that can't understand anything other than what they see. If Kim comes back heavy hip hop with radio potential she'll be fine.
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 29, 2010 21:56:09 GMT -5
The only song i have liked by Lil Kim is Mobb Deep "Quiet Storm (remix)" feat. Lil' Kim
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 21:56:19 GMT -5
Come on Son, There is a monopoly in the female rap world right now. There is absolutely no 'real' competition right now so she has a fairly easy road. Easier than Fox, Kim, Remy, Shawna had at their peak as the music consumer of that type of music had a plethora of options to choose from. >>>Some would view her road as more of a challenge because female hip hop was considered dead over the last few years...people don't just look at nicki and decide to support her because she is the only one...she might not be enough for someone to be sold on so she doesn't have an easy road where up until recently was viewed as a dead end road.TBH.Kudos for her for having her business right, she should as the blueprint is out there for her to follow. >>>Though many still don't follow it...you can't necessarily just follow a blueprint alone...they need to invest in you to get your business ventures going and give you merchandising deals...otherwise, most of these rappers would have real money. However, I donβt' care for subliminals and copies. At the end of the day, I think this Lil Kim/Nicki 'rivalry' is good for female rap. It puts the interest back on the genre and the ladies. >>>TrueIf Kim were smart, s he'd put it on Itunes, perform the song and do a possible low budget but well executed video. >>>She would look more bitter and pathetic not for what she is doing but for going further and putting out a video. It is already questionable that the "queen" stoop down to go against a newbie. You don't see Jay, Nye etc. doing th[/b]at.
Hopefully, we will see more female emcees get the budgets/deals and airplay that the genre is lacking at this time. Lil Kim is extremely talented. She's learned from the best and has seen/heard some of the best. I await her full return and REmyMa and others. >>>Do you realize that Nicki's success will serve as the catalyst to this...Kim extremely talented...that's a hard pill to swallow. She's talented but what exactly do you consider her extremely talented in...pause.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 22:06:10 GMT -5
No one is saying that Nicki's success was given to her by default, however, everything just fell into place for her. >>>Wow, she just popped out of nowhere with a #1 hit song and album without working for years and years to get to this point. Young Money is hot at the moment, >>>Drake and nicki at least. Her gimmick has helped her in many ways. The whole Barbie/Character role she plays. Alot of kiddies like that stuff. Nicki has some talent, but she had alot of push and help. >>>Anyone that is successful has push... She built her brand, and for that you can't knock her. >>>Yet you stay with the passive knocks against her LOL. It's some truth in being the only hot femcee out at the moment, no one else has an album thats receiving so much attention except Nicki. So i guess that means that the other labels have to do their damn job in getting their female rappers the notariety that they deserve. On the brightside of things she's getting people to pay attention to female rappers again.
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Post by slw84 on Nov 29, 2010 22:09:22 GMT -5
You do know there were huge fans of Nicki who felt the album isn't Hip Hop enough. >>>Yep...and she stated herself what direction the album would go in. Nicki isn't even that pop to me but some people in the hood feel they can't relate with her as much anymore. >>>TRue...I'm glad she's not catering to them and not just sticking to one thing...there are people that relate to Right thru me, fly, your love, save me, just like they would with did it on em, blazin
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the first thing you see on most of them is "i miss this nicki, she's fake now". But if you look at videos for nearly any other singer, you see the same sort of comments about how so and so is fake, skanky, cheap, washed up, blah blah blah. There are people out there who will never be happy and satisfied with whatever someone puts out. These haters just like to hate.
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Post by twilight on Nov 30, 2010 5:58:31 GMT -5
No one is saying that Nicki's success was given to her by default, however, everything just fell into place for her. >>>Wow, she just popped out of nowhere with a #1 hit song and album without working for years and years to get to this point. Young Money is hot at the moment, >>>Drake and nicki at least. Her gimmick has helped her in many ways. The whole Barbie/Character role she plays. Alot of kiddies like that stuff. Nicki has some talent, but she had alot of push and help. >>>Anyone that is successful has push... She built her brand, and for that you can't knock her. >>>Yet you stay with the passive knocks against her LOL. It's some truth in being the only hot femcee out at the moment, no one else has an album thats receiving so much attention except Nicki. So i guess that means that the other labels have to do their damn job in getting their female rappers the notariety that they deserve. On the brightside of things she's getting people to pay attention to female rappers again. Nicki, Drake & Wayne < . ^ Not everyone that is successful has alot of push, some people gain success off of the back of others. What i really mean't was that Wayne was hot when Nicki started receiving mainstream buzz, then she took his blueprint in terms of doing as many guest features as she possibly could. If a new or existing femcee came out with an album they would have to do alot to get this atten, because female rappers have been laying low for quite sometime, and labels aren't dishing out much for them in terms of promotion. I don't have passive knocks against her, however it is simply what it is. You just see things the way u choose to.
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grouper6
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Post by grouper6 on Nov 30, 2010 8:04:03 GMT -5
I don't know what world some of you all are living in but Nicki is getting trashed and Lil Kim is being supported and Black Friday is getting a lot of love. I don't look at fan sites. In fact i don't even know a Nicki or Lil Kim fan site as I don't stan for either although I like Kim's music better and I appreciate her contributinos to rap. I have read many urban, impartial blogs and HOt 97, EW site and the streets have Lil Kim nearly 100% on this. Don't underestimate the consumers of hip hop's intelligence. They recognize gimmicks when they see/hear them. they recognize swaggerjackers when they see them and I don't know anyone who likes Puffy. www.hot97.com/newmusic/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10167407&PN=1p.s Kim wont be able to put that song on Itunes as it has Nicki's sample in there. That would be a big lawsuit. If she were smart, she would take it out, edit it and put it on Itunes. The youtube clips of Black Friday have gone viral and international. I've seem tweets fromt he UK, Denmark, Germany, lol and overwhelmingly from an international perspective, people agree that BF slayed Nicki!
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