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Post by tsw2008 on Jul 6, 2008 20:38:59 GMT -5
who actually votes at the grammys? Critics. You couldn't have been more wrong. Here is a great article on grammy voting, and NARAS in general: weeklywire.com/ww/02-23-99/austin_music_feature1.htmlSome excerpts: Of the 13,000 NARAS members, 10k are voting members and those voting members are, obviously, the people who decide who walks away with the hardware. In order to qualify as a voting member, electorate individuals must provide proof of being either a producer, composer, engineer, songwriter, or even a writer of liner notes on six commercially released recordings. Once those credits are confirmed, you literally your pay dues -- currently $65 a year -- and presto, you're a voting member. Nonvoting members of NARAS are plentiful, connected to the organization through their careers or are involved in some facet the music industry, but Grammy voters are, for the most part, the folks who make music, either from the creative side or from the technical side. It's worth pointing out who the voters are not. They're generally not record label people, radio people, or print people. Music critics don't get to cast a ballot unless they've penned a few sets of liner notes, which means senior editors at Rolling Stone and the like, but not many more. Even if you're the president of the most powerful record company in the world, you don't get to vote unless you have those six credits to your name. That doesn't mean that record companies are completely shut out of the loop, however. They're involved from the first step of the process.
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Post by blurple on Jul 6, 2008 20:39:01 GMT -5
Well that's Leona screwed then.... I take it the critics didn't like Leona? I haven't followed her album reviews so I have no idea.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 6, 2008 22:03:24 GMT -5
I predict Leona Lewis will be a big winner this year.
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Post by Acid Eyes on Jul 6, 2008 22:08:09 GMT -5
I think she'll get a ton of noms, but will either get shut out or only win BNA.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 7, 2008 22:36:03 GMT -5
I think she'll get a ton of noms, but will either get shut out or only win BNA. I completely agree. She's been big enough to be considered in BNA, Record of the Year, Pop Female Vocal, Pop Album etc but in the end, she won't win any (maybe 1).
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Post by Pulse on Jul 8, 2008 11:37:55 GMT -5
I think she'll get Pop Female Vocal too. I can't see who would beat her there.
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Post by Jayden on Jul 8, 2008 13:14:41 GMT -5
Viva La Vida for record and album of the year. I really believe they will sweep the Grammy's this year.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 8, 2008 13:25:24 GMT -5
It's going to be tough this year.
You have Alicia Keys, Coldplay, Mariah, Usher, Jordin, LEONA, OneRepublic.
It's going to be tough this year, and I don't know who is going to win any awards.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jul 8, 2008 13:28:42 GMT -5
I really dont think Jordin will win that many awards... She wasnt even nominated for Best New Artist... She should snag a nom for "No Air", but I cant see her being one of the more nominated artists.
I will say the ones most likely to dominate are Coldplay and Alicia
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Post by Jayden on Jul 8, 2008 13:34:08 GMT -5
I really dont think Jordin will win that many awards... She wasnt even nominated for Best New Artist... She should snag a nom for "No Air", but I cant see her being one of the more nominated artists. I will say the ones most likely to dominate are Coldplay and Alicia
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Jul 8, 2008 14:02:56 GMT -5
coldplay will win Album of the Year. I hope... their Album is great..... I can see A.Keys getting a few noms despite having an average Album.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 8, 2008 14:14:41 GMT -5
I think Coldplay & Lil Wayne will be nominated for Album of the Year. Jordin wasnt nominated for BNA becuse she has never been submitted before. I don't see her getting anything except possible Pop Collabo for NA.
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Post by BrokenArrow on Jul 8, 2008 15:02:48 GMT -5
I think Coldplay & Lil Wayne will be nominated for Album of the Year. Jordin wasnt nominated for BNA becuse she has never been submitted before. I don't see her getting anything except possible Pop Collabo for NA. Lil Wayne lol.....No! Katy Perry may get a nom if she can deliver a decent follow up single.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 8, 2008 16:37:55 GMT -5
I think Coldplay & Lil Wayne will be nominated for Album of the Year. Jordin wasnt nominated for BNA becuse she has never been submitted before. I don't see her getting anything except possible Pop Collabo for NA. Lil Wayne lol.....No! Katy Perry may get a nom if she can deliver a decent follow up single. Why lol? Sales are incredible and reviews are stellar. No one is hotter than him right now he could definitely get major nominations. Kanye West, 50 Cent, Sean Paul, Jay-Z, Ludacris, Lil John, Black Eyed Peas, Eminem, Outkast, Nelly and Missy Elliot are all rap artists that have gotten major nominations this decade so I don't see why an extremely-well reviewed, huge selling album like Tha Carter III couldn't get an AOTY nod if Nellyville could.
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Post by Pulse on Jul 8, 2008 17:16:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Jordin wasn't snubbed for BNA because she isn't wasn't even eligible at the last ceremony. And that applies to all the Idols too, since they always release their albums near the end of the year and have to wait until the start of the year after the following year to get nominated. (So like Carrie Underwood's album came out at the end of 2005, but she won BNA in 2007)
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Post by blurple on Jul 9, 2008 0:19:24 GMT -5
I think Natasha has a shot of grabbing a nom with Pocketful of Sunshine for Female Pop.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 9, 2008 8:57:38 GMT -5
A few things to remember here:
The main viewership draw for the show are the performances, which is why the show has pushed ever more categories into the pre-broadcast awards to increase the amount of performances, and also why you see so many trainwrecks with 20, 30 freakin' performers on stage at the same time.
Also, the nominations themselves are PR tools to build the demographics for the show. They want the broadest swatch of viewers tuning in.
Finally, the show is also heavily marketed with 'stories', narratives about the acts nominated. So who are the 'stories' in the industry this year?
Your AOTY Nominees will be:
Lill Wayne and Alicia are locks, the Grammy's always reward the biggest selling acts. That's the primary function, and how they get people to actually watch. Jack Johnson is a lock, this was his breakout year, and the Grammy's love to play kingmaker for acts that sell big without much press exposure. Coldplay, because the show needs to pull in the rock demo, and there's no bigger act right now for them.
The final slot with be occupied by a much older act, a Tony Bennett/Ray Charles type of nomination. I have no idea who that'll be.
BNA:
OneRepublic will walk away with this. Tedder is another big story in the industry, and an intersting one, being a fundamentalist christian who went to ORU, and there career 'broke' on the net. That'll be catnip for the Grammy's, plus they'll want to reward him for Bleeding Love and Apologize, and his own hits.
Lewis will be nom'd, she wont win. Katy Perry, because they'll want I Kissed A Girl performed. Other than that, I dunno.
Bleeding Love and No Air are locks for Record and Song.
That's all I got!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 9, 2008 9:05:50 GMT -5
No Air?? I don't think so.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 9, 2008 9:10:59 GMT -5
Oh, and I think OneRepublic's Stop and Stare will be up for Record and Song, not Apologize. The Grammy's will really pile the noms on for Tedder, and his effective double nominations in both categories will only amp-up the press coverage for him, and therefore the Grammy's.
The verison of Apologize that 'hit' isnt eligible (summer 2007 release), and the Grammy's dont want to get into the PR nightmare of explaining why the 'Black' version that was the hit didnt get a nom, but the non-hit 'white' version did. They wont touch that with a 10-foot pole.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 9, 2008 9:18:18 GMT -5
No Air?? I don't think so. I do. 1st, The production and engineering wing control record noms, and the Underdogs have a lot of respect in the industry. 2nd, it was a huge hit, AOR/Rythmic ballad, which is right in the Grammy's middle-of-the-road sweet spot. 3rd, it puts Chris and Jordin on the same stage, they love killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Add in that Jordin sucks in the AI demographic but is locked out of BNA because of Leona, and you have No Air up for Record.
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 9, 2008 10:46:13 GMT -5
"Bleeding Love and No Air are locks for Record and Song"
Ok, so I just read my own post. I meant that I thought No Air (and BL) were locks for record and song noms, not the win. (That's what you were reacting too, right AURTJ?)
You should hear me talk ... indecipherable.
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Post by ––•( Miðð )•–– on Jul 9, 2008 10:49:18 GMT -5
Coldplay. Leona. Duffy. <- The only ones I truly care about.
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 13:42:01 GMT -5
I think she'll get Pop Female Vocal too. I can't see who would beat her there. Well, if X-ina with a crappy song and vocal can beat out Natasha and a great song and vocal as happened last year, I think just about anything's possible. The Grammy panel tends to botch this one moreso than some other awards.
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 13:43:43 GMT -5
I think she'll get a ton of noms, but will either get shut out or only win BNA. Exactly as I see it. Leona will get 3-4 noms, but her only real chance at winning based on prior Grammy history is for BNA - the one single award the Grammy panel has gotten right more than wrong the past ten years.
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 13:45:48 GMT -5
Duly noted that this is a 9-year old article... don't know how much of it is still true today.
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 13:48:02 GMT -5
the Grammy's always reward the biggest selling acts. That's the primary function Are we watching the same show?
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 13:58:39 GMT -5
Anyone want to take bets that they screw up "Record of the Year" for the 8th consecutive year? The only years I think were really bad were 2002, 2005, and worse of all, last year. But at least I expected the outcome last year. I hate when songs that have little mainstream success win the big awards. Not saying I'm some super music listener, but it really irks me when songs that I've never even heard of, let alone have an opinion of, win. There are other categories for random songs by big name artists. Reserve the Big Four for people/songs/albums that were ACTUALLY THE SONG/RECORD/ALBUM/ARTIST OF THE YEAR. IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK?! [/rant] Ditto... but this is the Grammies and why they irk us so much of the time!
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Post by K. on Jul 9, 2008 14:14:55 GMT -5
I think Bleeding Love will win either ROTY or SOTY. Duffy should be nominated a lot.
I'm probably going to fail miserably at this, but I'm thinking AOTY will be.
Coldplay Duffy Jack Johnson Alicia Keys? (is it eligible this year?) Some old singer with a new album I didn't pay attention to.
I think Coldplay will probably win.
Jason Mraz, John Mayer, and Gavin Degraw will pick up one or more noms.
Katy Perry will be nomined in BNA, and Best Pop Album.
I could see Jordin being nominated for BNA, Best Collab. (which she should win but will probably lose to Madonna since Madonna doesn't stand a chance at anything else), Best Female Vocals, and Best Pop Album (the biggest longshot, but a possibility in a year of weak pop albums).
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Post by popindustrialist on Jul 9, 2008 15:48:35 GMT -5
the Grammy's always reward the biggest selling acts. That's the primary function Are we watching the same show? Good luck finding a year where any of the top 10 selling albums of the year didnt get nominated for anything.
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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 16:00:18 GMT -5
Are we watching the same show? Good luck finding a year where any of the top 10 selling albums of the year didnt get nominated for anything. Are you serious? Yup, Nickelback, Matchbox 20, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard sure have piled up the Grammy nominations over the years, haven't they?
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