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Post by John77 on Jan 27, 2006 23:17:58 GMT -5
In case you were wondering why a lot of your favorite songs saw a big dip in spins today, it's because R&R pulled all of the Cumulus owned stations from the reporting panel for CHR and all other formats...
The reason for this situation is that earlier this week, Cumulus' owner said they would no longer report airplay or adds to the trades... supposedly, the owner said this will "free up" the PD's to have more flexibility to play more songs... personally I'm not buying it... I think it's a "power" move and R&R (rightfully so) is having none of it...
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Post by JCMF3 on Jan 27, 2006 23:33:18 GMT -5
But, the h1m chart still shows huge bullets. So, if they're not "reporting" anymore, then why do they still show up on the h1m chart?
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Post by Slinky on Jan 27, 2006 23:36:41 GMT -5
Mediabase is still monitoring them. It's only R&R that's decided to drop them from the panel.
The Cumulus stations join the XM and Sirius stations and a few others as h1m only for the time being.
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Post by John77 on Jan 27, 2006 23:39:46 GMT -5
But, the h1m chart still shows huge bullets. So, if they're not "reporting" anymore, then why do they still show up on the h1m chart? The H1m (Mainstream) chart is not a trade chart... it's exclusively a Mediabase chart, so since it isn't used by R&R, it's not affected by this change... |
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 28, 2006 0:02:08 GMT -5
so Natasha lost her bullet from dumbass radio politics?!? AARGGH!!
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Post by Slinky on Jan 28, 2006 0:04:29 GMT -5
Her bullet won't be lost on the real chart though, because R&R will take away the "last week" spins from the Cumulus stations. They'll pretend that the Cumulus stations were never part of the panel.
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Post by Slinky on Jan 28, 2006 0:10:54 GMT -5
Based on the old data I have (Mediabase's "panel" links are down), here are the stations no longer on the CHR panel:
WYOK, Mobile
WAOA, Melbourne
WHOT, Youngstown
WZYP, Huntsville
WWCK, Flint
KQXY, Beaumont
KBEA, Quad Cities
Those are mostly Adult-leaning CHRs, so expect Hot AC-type songs to lose more spins than the Rhythmic ones.
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Post by botoxic on Jan 28, 2006 0:29:27 GMT -5
Lame...R&R's charts are now even more inaccurate when it comes to what is ACTUALLY being played on radio - all because someone's feelings got hurt. Just another reason why I trust Mediabase charts (meaning the entire mainstream panel for example) and Billboard's BDS airplay charts much more than the limited R&R panel charts, which are clearly becoming more and more of a joke every day.
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 0:34:35 GMT -5
Based on the old data I have (Mediabase's "panel" links are down), here are the stations no longer on the CHR panel: WYOK, Mobile WAOA, Melbourne WHOT, Youngstown WZYP, Huntsville WWCK, Flint KQXY, Beaumont KBEA, Quad Cities Those are mostly Adult-leaning CHRs, so expect Hot AC-type songs to lose more spins than the Rhythmic ones. This is precisely what has happened... James Blunt, Natasha Bedingfield, Goo Goo Dolls Relient K & Rob Thomas among others have been hurt the most... |
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 0:37:04 GMT -5
so Natasha lost her bullet from dumbass radio politics?!? AARGGH!! She'll get it back... no worries... though it may ultimately hurt her peak chart position and year end position... I hope a resolution is reached quickly... |
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Post by Adz on Jan 28, 2006 0:37:14 GMT -5
Kelly's bullet dropped a lot.
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 0:39:26 GMT -5
^^ Kelly's increases had been slowing the past few days anyways (down 3-6 in most increased spins in H1R), so this exacerbates that a little...
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Post by pubescentmonster on Jan 28, 2006 0:41:43 GMT -5
yonka is almost bulletless now and another song may take #1 in the next 3 days or so
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Post by Matt4319 on Jan 28, 2006 0:52:31 GMT -5
yonka is almost bulletless now and another song may take #1 in the next 3 days or so
How do you figure? The nearest bulleted song has 2400 fewer spins. |
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 0:56:19 GMT -5
yonka is almost bulletless now and another song may take #1 in the next 3 days or so what is yonka??? The #1 song has nothing other than NeYo threatening it and that be at least 2 weeks from now. |
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Post by johnm1120 on Jan 28, 2006 1:00:21 GMT -5
Those are mostly Adult-leaning CHRs, so expect Hot AC-type songs to lose more spins than the Rhythmic ones. Oh great, just what we need. Pretty soon Pop & Rhythmic are gonna be identical (moreso)!  |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 28, 2006 1:11:49 GMT -5
So wait...now many major stations that lean towards Hot Ac type music dont even count?! Gee...I wonder why Hot Ac artists even bother to release music anymore  |
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Post by Arson on Jan 28, 2006 2:13:26 GMT -5
Cumulus' owner said they would no longer report airplay or adds to the trades... supposedly, the owner said this will "free up" the PD's to have more flexibility to play more songs... I was wondering... if they would no longer report airplay or adds, then what would they report? They are continuing to allow Mediabase to monitor their spin totals, right? R&R's panel is limited with the purpose of determining airplay by non-satellite radio stations in markets above a certain size, so there is a reason for checking the R&R charts as opposed to the Mediabase chart. While I too am disappointed that the Hot AC songs will drop because of this, unfortunately, it is just presenting the fact that most large market CHR/Pop stations have less of these songs in their playlists. |
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 28, 2006 9:36:47 GMT -5
Radio is so messed up these days. Scoring a hit is so damn difficult. |
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Post by Visual Sphere on Jan 28, 2006 10:01:33 GMT -5
When was the last time a song lost more than 2000 spins in a week? I was really surprised to check Mediabase and see Mariah at -2005, Beyonce already bulletless, All-American Rejects going from a spin gain to -460...
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Post by EvanJ on Jan 28, 2006 10:06:23 GMT -5
WYOK, Mobile WAOA, Melbourne WHOT, Youngstown WZYP, Huntsville WWCK, Flint KQXY, Beaumont KBEA, Quad Cities I was trying to figure out the stations myself and the first two I thought of were WZYP along with WTWR Toledo which you missed (the panel went down by 8 stations). Since the popular WHTS Quad Cities is changing formats soon, Quad Cities will be left without a monitored station if KBEA is not put back on. If Billboard/BDS doesn't make panel changes this could increase the differences between R&R CHR-Pop and Billboard Mainstream Top 40. |
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Post by tico on Jan 28, 2006 10:14:45 GMT -5
Don't forget, too, that Cumulus is expected to close the deal to buy Susquehanna by mid-April, so unless the situation changes, WWWQ Atlanta and KRBE Houston won't be reporting either.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jan 28, 2006 11:18:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure that Cumulus' move is going to result in more open playlists on its stations...I've read elsewhere that Cumulus playlists are very tightly controlled, and local PDs have very little freedom to add songs that appeal to them.
But in principle, I think the move is a strike against stations' slavish reliance on the charts and unreliable callout, and against a system that basically creates huge hits or flops, with not a lot of room for anything in between. Callout has been a problematic indicator for a long time, because of flawed samples with really conservative music tastes that make it very difficult for new artists to break through. And following the charts just creates a lemming mentality among radio stations -- if a song isn't getting lots of adds and/or flying up the charts, too often, it just isn't given a chance.
Cumulus' story is that they want to free up PDs to use their gut instinct to pick new music, which they haven't been free to do. Frankly, I think it's quite possible that the result will be more individual buyoffs of PDs to get a song in rotation. So this whole deal is a bit of a mixed bag for me. It'll be interesting to see what happens as the message gets out that the charts are an increasingly imperfect indicator of airplay trends.
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Post by Slinky on Jan 28, 2006 11:19:28 GMT -5
Gee...I wonder why Hot Ac artists even bother to release music anymore This just in- James Blunt has given up his music career. When asked why, he replied "If I'm only at #32 on the Pop chart, and I should be at #27, I just don't see the point in making music". ;) |
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Post by MinusName on Jan 28, 2006 11:23:27 GMT -5
The Pop chart just went from bad to worse. Now Hot AC songs will never make it to the top on the R&R chart. I am beyond pissed right now, I don't know why this bothers me so much, but it just does. I hate R&R.
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Post by chartfreak on Jan 28, 2006 11:26:45 GMT -5
I'm a chartfreak..but I only care about the Hot 100...if it's not #1 on Billboard, then it's not #1....:)
Seriously, I see some post, like, Oh my gosh, it's going to miss #1 on the R&R, or the Urban Chart, etc. It's all good...but I guess I'm just partial to a different chart.
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Post by Filthy Pop on Jan 28, 2006 11:33:18 GMT -5
I'm still shocked seeing Mariah at -2005.
Kelly slowed down a lot too.
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 13:30:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure that Cumulus' move is going to result in more open playlists on its stations...I've read elsewhere that Cumulus playlists are very tightly controlled, and local PDs have very little freedom to add songs that appeal to them. But in principle, I think the move is a strike against stations' slavish reliance on the charts and unreliable callout, and against a system that basically creates huge hits or flops, with not a lot of room for anything in between. Callout has been a problematic indicator for a long time, because of flawed samples with really conservative music tastes that make it very difficult for new artists to break through. And following the charts just creates a lemming mentality among radio stations -- if a song isn't getting lots of adds and/or flying up the charts, too often, it just isn't given a chance. Cumulus' story is that they want to free up PDs to use their gut instinct to pick new music, which they haven't been free to do. Frankly, I think it's quite possible that the result will be more individual buyoffs of PDs to get a song in rotation. So this whole deal is a bit of a mixed bag for me. It'll be interesting to see what happens as the message gets out that the charts are an increasingly imperfect indicator of airplay trends. Actually, for a conglomerate, Cumulus playlists are VERY free... the one with the tight playlists is Clear Channel... Look at the southern California markets for both and you'll see what I mean... |
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Post by John77 on Jan 28, 2006 13:32:47 GMT -5
I'm a chartfreak..but I only care about the Hot 100...if it's not #1 on Billboard, then it's not #1....:) And I'm just the opposite, as are the industryites... a #1 on the Hot 100 in today's day and age (unless it's #1 somewhere else) is essentially meaningless... but that's for another thread... :) |
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Post by MusicJunkie on Jan 28, 2006 14:09:27 GMT -5
This piece of horse sh*t messed everything up! >:( Natasha was guaranteed top 10 with a bullet of almost 400, Kelly had a bullet of almost 700 also on her way top 10, while Mariah is now probably going below the top 20 soon ( :'() with the lowest bullet that I've ever seen. This really sucks!!! >:( >:( >:(
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