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Post by realityBITES on May 28, 2009 0:20:16 GMT -5
Just saw him on Jimmy Fallon -- did some of Heartless - really good.
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Post by maxsultan on May 28, 2009 1:50:56 GMT -5
Just saw him singing Heartless on Fallon. Excellent.
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Post by I Wish on May 28, 2009 1:59:10 GMT -5
Kris seems to go with Jive. Allaccess has changed his label from rca to jive Eek! lol Looks like it's pretty much confirmed. Yeah the Today Show is tomorrow. Can't wait to see it. Also excited about Jimmy Fallon which hasn't aired here yet.
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Post by desertfloods on May 28, 2009 2:00:07 GMT -5
Wow, Heartless on Jimmy Fallon was awesome! Great interview as well!
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Post by ZAYN on May 28, 2009 2:01:06 GMT -5
yeah it was great!!
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 2:17:21 GMT -5
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Post by I Wish on May 28, 2009 3:17:07 GMT -5
Amazing wow. He sounded simply amazing.
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Post by frank on May 28, 2009 5:29:18 GMT -5
Fucking amazing on Jimmy Fallon.
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Post by Crazytowel on May 28, 2009 5:59:03 GMT -5
Just realized this missed the top 10 on hot 100 Any chance of it climbing? How the hell did David Cook debut higher?
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Post by musicluver on May 28, 2009 8:29:45 GMT -5
Just realized this missed the top 10 on hot 100 Any chance of it climbing? How the hell did David Cook debut higher? That's cuz both Davids can sing circles around this season's top 2. In retrospect S8's vocal talent is lacking which is why ratings have dropped. If it wasn't for Adam, ratings would've been worse.
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Post by atgs on May 28, 2009 8:52:51 GMT -5
You write too much for something that has nothing to do what it was being discussed. The person was talking about Kris/Adam and the fact that many in the media are pissed Kris won and may use the numbers against Kris. They were both exposed to the same idol audience, so your "some contestant's fanbase is the idol audience, some is not" is just pure crap here, cause that's the only audience for both. I think the point was that for many Kris still has to prove he deserved to win. I don't think he has... but the guy is sure getting some hate. Plus, Hudson doesn't really sell much to anyone... it's not just the idol audience. And Archuleta hasn't sold much too even being exposed to the teen audience. So, yeah.. whatever. I wish you'd move on to you next argument... that one has lasted since TMH's sales failed.
It's great to still see Heartless in the top 10 of Itunes! He should keep doing it in tv shows.
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Post by MOWE on May 28, 2009 9:42:36 GMT -5
Ugh... this awful song has been stuck in my head ALL day. I'm gonna have to buy it lol.
Kris' recording voice is just amazing IMO. Adam was probably the better performer, but I'm expecting Kris to be more successful on Pop radio.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on May 28, 2009 9:59:40 GMT -5
Just realized this missed the top 10 on hot 100 Any chance of it climbing? How the hell did David Cook debut higher? That's cuz both Davids can sing circles around this season's top 2. In retrospect S8's vocal talent is lacking which is why ratings have dropped. If it wasn't for Adam, ratings would've been worse. This. While I think that Adam has a lot of vocal talent, he is obviously very polarizing. I said all along that the vocal talent just wasn't there this season. Allen pales in comparison to Cook. Honestly, looking back on it, I don't think a superstar will come out of Season 8 of AI. Adam, while he has the talent IMO, is far too polarizing. Kris has about 10 other artists just like him, most more talented, jockeying for positions on pop radio.
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 11:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by maxsultan on May 28, 2009 12:06:50 GMT -5
I notice he is singing Heartless more and more. Good decision. He definitely has a more radio friendly voice than Adam. No Boundaries could even be a country hit with that twang he has in his voice.
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 12:19:58 GMT -5
^^ yeah
could be because Heartless, as well as NB, is a top 10 hit in itunes
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 28, 2009 12:36:49 GMT -5
I think she's talking about the first week of downloads after idol. The fact that Kris didn't sell much more than Adam, and that Adam sold more albums doesn't make it as clear post AI that Kris deserved it for all those who think he shouldn't have won. It's not like what happened last year when Cook sold a lot more after the finale. Look, it's true Adam is more popular, there's not denying that. Probably Adam will do better after AI... but that's not the end of it all for Kris. Let the media find a new story and they'll forget AI season 8 pretty fast. What Kris will need is label support. Yeah. That's what I meant. This one is really close. Last year was... not. I don't believe any shit about "audiences" or whatnot. When we're dealing with idols, we talk about "popularity." The more popular, the more they sell (initially). Adam and Kris' fanbase are about equal, I think. Last year, David C's fanbase was much larger than David A's. No matter how you look at it, David C "won." He sold more singles. He sold more albums. He's gotten more airplay. He made more money. I guess David A. has... better hair. And prettier eyes. So he wins in that respect, I guess. But with Kradam, it's not so easy to call. Adam is more popular right now, and he was heavily favored by the media. As I've said before, Adam's loss was bigger news than Kris' victory, and that's unsettling. And Kris got an itunes banner that Adam did not, and all he sold was 10k more? If Adam had that banner, I think he would've easily outsold Kris. I'm saying that unlike last year, Adam actually poses a real threat to Kris. Every year, the runner-up's fans start yapping about how their idol will outsell the winner. But 7 years deep, it's only happened once. And as a fan of the winner, I'm thinking it's a real possibility this year. That's my point. If stating the facts, riles you up, then there's nothing I can do about that. The truth can really hurt sometimes. :( Kris probably could care less about selling or whatever. He obviously never intended to actually win the thing! But I just don't want the media to attack him and stuff. That's why I'm worried.
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 12:43:31 GMT -5
^^ Adam also got the banner. Did you not looking at itunes last week?
Blake outsold Jordin with his single. So it's not just Clay.
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Post by tinawina on May 28, 2009 13:10:00 GMT -5
I understand your concern permantbaby, I really do, but I think there is so much up in the air that it is too soon to worry about this. Right now we are talking about the size of their idol-generated fanbases, but what happens next depends a lot on what kind of albums they make and whether those albums find an audience. Neither is aimed a genre that is way more popular than the other's at the moment. Like if Kris was aiming to fill a hole in Pop-country and Adam was going strictly bugalrian flute music LOL, you could reasonably expect one's sales to blow the other's out of the water (in that case, Kris). But we don't know who they will be working with and what they will sound like. And we don't know what the music landscape will be like when they release. None of that can be predicted using these ITiunes sales numbers. All we know is that they should both have decent starts in sales.
Save the worry for after you hear both guy's albums. Its more efficient. that way. ;)
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on May 28, 2009 13:12:46 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't know Adam got a banner. I don't use itunes. But I heard that someone said Kris got 2 banners and Adam got one or something. Or that Kris bigger one. I don't know. I was just goin by what someone said. My bad.
And I was talking about singles overall. Not just after the finale. I know Blake sold more than Jordin initially. But then she had bigger first week sales, more airplay, etc. And then that "battle" was soooo over.
And Tina: You're right. I shoudln't worry. I was just trying to understand why people said this year was similar to last year. They're polar opposites actually. It's more like season 6, where Blake got louder cheers than Jordin on tour, had more diehards, sold more singles initally, etc. And I'm sure Krris and Adam could give a shyte either way. They both just want to get their music out there. :)
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 13:22:46 GMT -5
The banner was Adam, Kris's itunes pass, and Kris. It didn't really matter Kris got an extra banner because the whole AI thing is very prominent in Itune. Adam got an additional ad at "what we are listening" for his own No Boundaries. Kris still outsold his version 5 to 1.
Comparing album sales, people are only talking about Adam sold 6k more album. Everybody seems to forget Kris is selling his itunes pass ($16.99) too. All in all I think Kris sold as many albums as Adam, but significantly more singles.
Actually right now one week after the winning, Kris still have two songs in top 10. His post idol performances are keeping the sales up.
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Post by desertfloods on May 28, 2009 14:43:52 GMT -5
Comparing album sales, people are only talking about Adam sold 6k more album. Everybody seems to forget Kris is selling his itunes pass ($16.99) too. All in all I think Kris sold as many albums as Adam, but significantly more singles. Exactly. No one seems to look at the numbers for the iTunes pass? Weird. Also, you'd think that with all the hype and media coverage about Adam, he should be selling a lot even without any iTunes promo. No one knows how it will pan out for these two with their albums. It could very well be like Season 2 (Ruben/Clay), or it might be like Season 6. I remember there was hype about Blake being unique, having more fans, Jordin is too generic etc etc, but the debut album/single sales surely reflected otherwise! Some fanbase might just be louder than others, doesn't mean they're necessarily a lot bigger IMO
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Post by cdlifer on May 28, 2009 15:02:08 GMT -5
Some fanbase might just be louder than others, doesn't mean they're necessarily a lot bigger IMO ;)
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Post by Pump It on May 28, 2009 15:59:18 GMT -5
he sounded unbelievable on Jimmy Fallon!!
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Post by Stephen on May 28, 2009 16:31:54 GMT -5
Airplay: 208 Pop (+24) +207 Bullet 141 AC (+14) +140 Bullet 189 HAC (+13) +187 Bullet 3.689 million AIs (+0.351) Notes: Country and Rhythmic have been moved until they receive significant airplay. Also, the third number in each row is the bullet, NOT the change in bullet. Chart notes: - Kris moves to #49 today on HAC.
- Kris moves to #27 on AC
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Post by atgs on May 28, 2009 17:32:06 GMT -5
Permanentbaby, I understand where you coming from. And it's a bit suckage to win a show and hear everyone talking about the other guy. And you know, for the short term I think Adam will keep on making the news especially because of the gay thing. It's controversy and Kris is just the nice guy, there's no controversy about him. Adam will keep on getting the buzz.
But when it comes to their music, that won't put Kris career in danger. I think No Boundaries is a nice pop-rock tune. I'm not sure what we'll make in CHR, but it can at least do well in HAC and make it easier for him to get airplay in that format for future singles. But if he's with Jive, and if they do things right they'll make sure he gets CHR airplay. Yeah, I agree that AI popularity is important for the first week of sales, and we know they'll compare the guys. It's also important if they want to have a solo tour. I'm not sure how well a solo Jordin tour would do. (Maybe she has had one... but I don't remember lol). As long as he has the label support, and I think he'll have it with Jive and he has good management he will be fine. Kris has some good appeal.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 28, 2009 20:44:25 GMT -5
Yeah. That's what I meant. This one is really close. Last year was... not. I don't believe any s**t about "audiences" or whatnot. When we're dealing with idols, we talk about "popularity." The more popular, the more they sell (initially). Adam and Kris' fanbase are about equal, I think. Last year, David C's fanbase was much larger than David A's. No matter how you look at it, David C "won." He sold more singles. He sold more albums. He's gotten more airplay. He made more money. I guess David A. has... better hair. And prettier eyes. So he wins in that respect, I guess. But with Kradam, it's not so easy to call. Adam is more popular right now, and he was heavily favored by the media. As I've said before, Adam's loss was bigger news than Kris' victory, and that's unsettling. And Kris got an itunes banner that Adam did not, and all he sold was 10k more? If Adam had that banner, I think he would've easily outsold Kris. I'm saying that unlike last year, Adam actually poses a real threat to Kris. Every year, the runner-up's fans start yapping about how their idol will outsell the winner. But 7 years deep, it's only happened once. And as a fan of the winner, I'm thinking it's a real possibility this year. That's my point. If stating the facts, riles you up, then there's nothing I can do about that. The truth can really hurt sometimes. :( Kris probably could care less about selling or whatever. He obviously never intended to actually win the thing! But I just don't want the media to attack him and stuff. That's why I'm worried. The media will attack Kris no matter what. That's what the media does. They build people up and then tear them down. Get used to the fact that your favorite contestant this year is the guy the media wants to step on, just like David A. was last year. Welcome to the jungle. If Kris doesn't outsell Adam get ready for a lot of "America was wrong" articles. And then get super frustrated when articles leave out pertinent information about Kris's sales that would make him look better if they were put in. You'll be posting things like, "but he's in [insert genre] and that genre doesn't sell as many albums," or "yes, but his single wasn't sent to [insert radio format], so you can't compare his and Adam's latest single." What you just did up there with the David C. vs. David A. stuff is what the media (and other posters) will do with Adam vs. Kris, and you'll be really frustrated because some Adam fan will leave off a bunch of qualifiers and generalize Kris's sales and Adam's sales, and will make Kris look terrible in comparison. They'll declare that Adam is obviously more popular, and they'll declare that Adam obviously has the larger fan base because of X, Y, and Z. They won't bother to mention that they're in different genres, they won't bother to mention that their songs were sent to different formats, or maybe Adam has more singles, and won't mention any area in which Kris does better. That is what will happen if Adam dares to sell more albums than Kris, or dares to do better in any area. And it'll frustrate the heck out of you. So be prepared.
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Post by LordEctar on May 28, 2009 21:01:34 GMT -5
That's cuz both Davids can sing circles around this season's top 2. In retrospect S8's vocal talent is lacking which is why ratings have dropped. If it wasn't for Adam, ratings would've been worse. No, ratings were down because A) broadcast network ratings are down overall and B) this is the 8th season
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Post by Spacy-Haha on May 28, 2009 21:02:55 GMT -5
Yeah. That's what I meant. This one is really close. Last year was... not. I don't believe any s**t about "audiences" or whatnot. When we're dealing with idols, we talk about "popularity." The more popular, the more they sell (initially). Adam and Kris' fanbase are about equal, I think. Last year, David C's fanbase was much larger than David A's. No matter how you look at it, David C "won." He sold more singles. He sold more albums. He's gotten more airplay. He made more money. I guess David A. has... better hair. And prettier eyes. So he wins in that respect, I guess. But with Kradam, it's not so easy to call. Adam is more popular right now, and he was heavily favored by the media. As I've said before, Adam's loss was bigger news than Kris' victory, and that's unsettling. And Kris got an itunes banner that Adam did not, and all he sold was 10k more? If Adam had that banner, I think he would've easily outsold Kris. I'm saying that unlike last year, Adam actually poses a real threat to Kris. Every year, the runner-up's fans start yapping about how their idol will outsell the winner. But 7 years deep, it's only happened once. And as a fan of the winner, I'm thinking it's a real possibility this year. That's my point. If stating the facts, riles you up, then there's nothing I can do about that. The truth can really hurt sometimes. :( Kris probably could care less about selling or whatever. He obviously never intended to actually win the thing! But I just don't want the media to attack him and stuff. That's why I'm worried. The media will attack Kris no matter what. That's what the media does. They build people up and then tear them down. Get used to the fact that your favorite contestant this year is the guy the media wants to step on, just like David A. was last year. Welcome to the jungle. If Kris doesn't outsell Adam get ready for a lot of "America was wrong" articles. And then get super frustrated when articles leave out pertinent information about Kris's sales that would make him look better if they were put in. You'll be posting things like, "but he's in [insert genre] and that genre doesn't sell as many albums," or "yes, but his single wasn't sent to [insert radio format], so you can't compare his and Adam's latest single." What you just did up there with the David C. vs. David A. stuff is what the media (and other posters) will do with Adam vs. Kris, and you'll be really frustrated because some Adam fan will leave off a bunch of qualifiers and generalize Kris's sales and Adam's sales, and will make Kris look terrible in comparison. They'll declare that Adam is obviously more popular, and they'll declare that Adam obviously has the larger fan base because of X, Y, and Z. They won't bother to mention that they're in different genres, they won't bother to mention that their songs were sent to different formats, or maybe Adam has more singles, and won't mention any area in which Kris does better. That is what will happen if Adam dares to sell more albums than Kris, or dares to do better in any area. And it'll frustrate the heck out of you. So be prepared. Thanks for the lulz. Glad you figured out how things WILL go down.
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Post by musicluver on May 28, 2009 21:32:15 GMT -5
That's cuz both Davids can sing circles around this season's top 2. In retrospect S8's vocal talent is lacking which is why ratings have dropped. If it wasn't for Adam, ratings would've been worse. No, ratings were down because A) broadcast network ratings are down overall and B) this is the 8th season Maybe but most of the ppl I talked to who used to watch idol didn't watch it this season cuz there was no big talent..they're watching britain's got talent now lol
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