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Post by baobabs727 on Jan 11, 2010 2:06:21 GMT -5
I believe Praepos to be correct on the subject of religion and career. Indeed, it hardly takes a scholar to see that David's religion colors each and every aspect of his daily life (and with a depth and breadth most uncommon in a person of his age). And so it seems to me pure folly to deny the role that David's Mormon faith has played (and will continue to play) in shaping the third most important thing in David's life: his music career.
David plays his personal life cards close to the vest, for he realizes that certain of his thoughts and beliefs would--if revealed--be either misconstrued or downright rejected by an otherwise adoring public. For example, do you think his target demo could even begin to understand the concept and practice of asceticism?
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Post by violet on Jan 11, 2010 12:14:28 GMT -5
Contents listing of David's memoir. I have no idea what part that listed co-author has in the writing. David said he's writing it himself. www.worldcat.org/oclc/462902872&referer=brief_resultsbaobabs - I don't think David or Mormons in general practice asceticism. Interesting article at the Mormon Times, surprisingly by Orson Scott Card: "It was not very long after the founding of the original Christian Church that the idea of holiness began to attach itself to activities that seem very strange to us today. Mormonism has no ascetics, no hermits, no monasteries." www.mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=11972David much enjoys many earthly pleasures like eating food he loves, entertainment, etc. It's just physical intimacy (or even thinking about it) that the Mormon church doesn't allow for teens.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 11, 2010 12:39:15 GMT -5
Autobiographies often have co-authors to shape the book, or guide the author. It's hard to write a book--even about yourself--so people that have no experience in that area often need a co-author. Depending on the person, the co-author will be more or less involved. From all I've heard, David is writing the book, so this isn't a case of a ghost writer. But she may be adding structure that somebody who isn't a professional writer might need.
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Post by violet on Jan 11, 2010 13:25:18 GMT -5
soundscene - I hope she doesn't edit him though. I want to read David's own writing.
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Post by baobabs727 on Jan 12, 2010 2:04:47 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with being an ascetic, Violet.
Given David's novice author status and relatively poor writing skills, I, for one, welcome the employment of a "co-author" with the requsite skills to "pull this thing off!" No offense to David, mind you. It's a business decision.
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Post by rince25 on Jan 12, 2010 2:19:38 GMT -5
I don't really care what the book is like. I probably won't read it. lol
But I would really like some songwriter news. David is supposed to be recording soon after his trip.... hopefully with someone new.
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 10:25:10 GMT -5
rince25 - Your wish come true - Songwriter news From Hits Daily Double www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news07861m01"Dapo Torimiro (www.dapomiroworks.com; @dapotorimiro): This Lagos, Nigeria-born songwriter, composer, pianist and multi instrumentalist is one of the hottest producers in the game right now. The Yamaha-endorsed artist and singer is working on a number of major projects right now, with a song on the upcoming Disney movie, Camp Rock 2: The Final Jam, three songs with Tony-winning singer/actress Anika Noni Rose for Disney's Princess & The Frog and a featured slot on stage with Andrea Bocelli and David Foster on the PBS special, My Christmas, which premiered Thanksgiving weekend and will continue to air through December. Dapo is currently working on songs for Jennifer Hudson, Musiq Soulchild and David Archuleta; he also has three songs on Toni Braxton’s new album, which streets in February. And keep an ear out for a pair of upcoming singles, written and produced by this up-and-comer: Jordin Sparks’ "No Parade" and Justin Beiber’s "Bigger." It’s only a matter of time before Dapo becomes a household name." ---- note - Dapo is listed as a writer on Running. I love Running. I adore the rhythm of the song and the melody/syncopation of the verses. BTW - I hope David's second album has no songs that start out drab and practically monotone. The starts/verses of Crush and TMH worked out OK on the CD and with a live band but did not sound very good with just David and a backing track. In fact it's crazy how similar Crush and TMH are - both have a drab 2 adjacent notes alternating for large parts of the verses.
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Post by rince25 on Jan 12, 2010 10:43:44 GMT -5
haha I love No Parade, so hopefully he does something like that ... and not like Running. or ALTNOY.
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 10:56:07 GMT -5
I love Running. My niece love Running best out of the whole album. Here's the only live performance of Running - final encore, first stop of spring tour. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b7oaaV-d-4In retrospect, the main thing wrong with ALTNOY as a single was the 6/8 beat IMO. You cannot bop in your seat to that beat at that speed. I remember seeing David perform it on Nickelodeon and the crowd of teens was so awkward trying to sway their arms to the mid-tempo 6/8 beat. Other than that I thought it was a good song and I loved the video. News - David hits the Russian market with 2 songs on an MP3 album. Free album though with 200 2009 Love Ballads (uh in the US we call that piracy) - Crush and To Be With You bit.ly/7zetp0
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Post by rince25 on Jan 12, 2010 11:04:32 GMT -5
I actually like Running more than a few other songs on the album. but it gets annoying.
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Post by Sara on Jan 12, 2010 11:52:27 GMT -5
No Parade is great. And I still really like ALTNOY even though it didn't do well. Running I can do without but if David had a song like No Parade, that'd be great. Loooove that song so much.
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 12:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by praepos on Jan 12, 2010 15:17:25 GMT -5
I'd put the song much higher--and I'm not convinced that's why he lost. That said, Farber affirms what I believe has been true all along: there is a lot of pain in David's psyche. He understands loss and suffering--though you'd never guess this from his everyday persona which carefully guards his inner self. This is why primarily appealing to teens isn't tapping into his real genius, though it may allow him the commercial success he needs to remain in the game. Farber thinks the heartbreak in DLTSGDOM made the audience uncomfortable--but I doubt it. The audience that night was ecstatic, not upset. I think it knew immediately it had heard something amazing. Take another listen to In This Moment as well. On Top 2 night Simon noted how egocentric the lyrics were and David laughed knowingly. The pain in DLTSGDOM and the egoism of ITM are a real part of David too. In the latter he was pushing back--against the critics and the producers who blocked his path--"No one can take this away from me." This is not to deny who he is--a humble, kind and compassionate kid. He's got his darker self under total control--but it's there just the same. You can hear it in his voice when he's got the vehicle to express it. Contigo had that same tone of heartbreak Farber mentions--a sense of inconsolable loss. Like the audience on Top 2 night, the ALMA audience knew it had just experienced something stunning, far beyond the ordinary. It doesn't surprise me that David is now talking about his next album in terms of expressing his true self. I think he's been aware of how music does this all along. He used When You Say You Love Me to great effect to express his affection for fans in just this way--and was a huge hit precisely for this reason. It gave terrific heft to the song and how the audience reacted to it. In the same way O Holy Night gained tremendously by our knowledge that it reflected David's own faith. This is just as true for darker works like DLTSGDOM or Desperate--though David's obvious everyday persona seems to belie this. My guess is David knows exactly what he's doing. Was it just a coincidence that David introduced Apologize into his repertoire on tour right after the news about his father's arrest broke?
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 16:46:05 GMT -5
Re the Daily News - I like that they gave recognition to the emotional power of David's singing even if their conclusions were off-base. I like emotions to cut that close in music. Though I prefer when David dips into his well of love and hope, I love the cries in his voice too. In the raw FOX feed of when Kara DioGuardi entered the SLC auditions for Season 8, a interviewer asked her about working with David and she said nice things about David's singing including "Give him a melody and you can hear him cry." Neon Limelight - 12 of the Best Idol Voices Ever They start with David's Imagine (I love that Imagine - that's where David hooked me for good) neonlimelight.com/2010/01/12/countdown-to-american-idol-12-of-the-best-idol-voices-ever/Oooo - News! Tweets by @cheechuke (Mauricio Salan) - sounds like D's doing a concert in Guatemala (I want video!!) # Got front row seats for David Archuleta! Yeah Baby!!! 8 minutes ago from web # Helping set up for David Archuleta's concert...=D about 1 hour ago from twidroid # Presentacion de David Archuleta HOY en Montufar!!! about 3 hours ago from web This person getting ready for David's press conference twitter.com/EpicDemia
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 12, 2010 17:49:50 GMT -5
I guess we might find out what the heck he's doing in Guatamala now... lol. EpicDemia is a spanish-language news website, BTW. www.epicdemia.com/I don't know if David is actually doing a concert--there's been no press or mention. Maybe a press conference and he may do a few songs. But I guess maybe the press conference is about whatever charity he's down there for. Edit: Ok, this is what EpicDemia says he's doing in Guatamala: "He is here to help small businesses take off. Giving advise and sharing his expertise." Eh? Wha? lol. Maybe it's more a motivational thing... I don't know. He gives motivational speeches all the time for his Church. I guess we'll have to wait to hear what he says. Edit 2: Ok, I guess he is doing a concert in a couple hours. Actually, I think this is just one of his regular "firesides" that he does at Church, but maybe with a more substantial "concert" after--he usually only sings a couple of hymns, but he might be singing pop songs this time instead.
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 18:37:35 GMT -5
Fireside huh? - I guess no video. And David is late for his press conference...transportation delayed, on his way now. But still not arrived... --- Express Night Out - The Idols' Vitals (great article) www.expressnightout.com/content/2010/01/american-idol-season-9-vitals.php"But just as each classroom has its nerds, jocks and preps, those who've made a splash on "American Idol" often fall into recognizable categories. Here are a few archetypes to keep an eye out for Tuesday as the "Idol" bell rings at 8 p.m. on Fox. THE RUNAWAY TRAIN: These folks have talent. It's clear from the minute they part their perfect little lips just so, releasing a sound like angels whispering in your ear. Their pitch is impeccable, their song choices inspired. They immediately become front-runners despite the desperate attempts by judges to knock them off their game. They don't all wind up "Idol" winners, but they do become big stars, which must help ease the pain of defeat. » Examples: Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, David Archuleta, Adam Lambert" --- TV Guide - Where Are They Now www.tvguide.com/special/winter-preview/galleries.aspx?gallery=American-Idol-1000317&page=7David Archuleta Archie signed a deal with Azoff Management after American Idol's 19 Management passed him over, and his album, David Archuleta, sold an impressive 183,000 copies in its first week of release (putting him at No. 2 on the Billboard 200). And yes, girls everywhere still want to marry him and have 10,000 of his babies.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 12, 2010 18:40:49 GMT -5
^^ Not entirely sure. It's in a Church, but it's a press conference, and others will speak... I don't know. David didn't tell anybody what he was doing before he left & he's been incommunicado since.
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Post by violet on Jan 12, 2010 19:06:38 GMT -5
twitter.com/EpicDemiaReason for being so late? Lots of traffic in the city. One of the organizers if beginning to lose his patience lol (but David has arrived) David: I want to experience the social situation in Central America, because my mom's from here. I am very happy to be around people my age Talked about his memoir. He sang Contigo, Angels and some hymns in Spanish. His mother also sang. Summary - David mostly spoke about his faith and his family but he did say this about music: "I never thought I'd get to where I am. At first it was enough to just sing to myself, but when I realized the effect I had on people... I decided this is what I wanted to do for a living. I like focusing on positive things for people. I want to show the youth that they can enjoy music not focused on bad lyrics, but music that transmits a positive message...and makes people feel a good emotion. I want the youth to know that passion is the most important attribute an artist can have, and the desire to transmit their feelings. " Article will appear here in Spanish, maybe tomorrow: www.epicdemia.com/
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Post by baobabs727 on Jan 13, 2010 3:45:55 GMT -5
"David didn't tell anybody what he was doing before he left...."
Thanks for making my point. Duh! Of course he didn't! He couldn't have a large segment of his youthful, uber-cool target audience thinking he was a religious nutcase! Heck, no! So he labeled it a "charity" mission instead. Voila: Problem solved! I mean, everybody loves a charity event. Right? ;)
"...he's been incommunicado since."
Again, duh! "Incommunicado" by design and for his own convenience, of course! Remember, we were forewarned of this eventuality by the artist, himself. Clever. The charade continues....
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Post by violet on Jan 13, 2010 11:23:30 GMT -5
baobabs - David never tells fans when/where he is going to speak at a church, school or any private event including private concerts. I imagine he doesn't want screaming fans crowded outside a private event. And before he went, he mentioned he didn't think his phone would work there but if he found a computer he could get online with he would tweet.
David's phone isn't international. He had to borrow a different phone when he was in England for over a month. He doesn't even have internet on his phone - just voice and text.
And he still has the rest of the week in Central America. I actually don't care if all he there does is church stuff. He's 19 and he didn't go on a mission.
Warned of what eventuality by the artist himself?
And he just tweeted # I've been having a great time in Central America so far! I'll try and write a blog later when I have more time! Hope everyone is well :) 8 minutes ago from web # @glitter_Rebel hahaha! That was good. 9 minutes ago from web in reply to Glitter_Rebel # Hello! I'm still alive! haha. 11 minutes ago from web
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Post by davidprincess on Jan 13, 2010 12:43:49 GMT -5
In my opinion, David shouldn't be afraid of losing fans just because he is a Mormon. I'm Catholic and I respect his religion. :) True fans will accept him and will respect him no matter what. Besides I'm so glad that he Believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, and he is the kind of guy who likes going to church. :) and I'm very proud that Hollywood hasn't changed him, and he is still an active member of his church. To me, David should make a Christian Album in a future! I'm sure that he will love to record it. Maybe the fame and the superstardom are not his priorities now, because i'm starting to understand that in his next album there won't be songs like ' hey i love you baby' kind of songs. So his songs won't be commercial i think. Probably the songs of the Jive's writters and producers will be like that, but i don't think David's own songs. His songs might be more about more meaningful lyrics.(Ex: Somebody out there, The riddle, kind of lyrics.) I think.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 13, 2010 13:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Jan 13, 2010 13:55:45 GMT -5
"David didn't tell anybody what he was doing before he left...." Thanks for making my point. Duh! Of course he didn't! He couldn't have a large segment of his youthful, uber-cool target audience thinking he was a religious nutcase! Heck, no! So he labeled it a "charity" mission instead. Voila: Problem solved! I mean, everybody loves a charity event. Right? ;) "...he's been incommunicado since." Again, duh! "Incommunicado" by design and for his own convenience, of course! Remember, we were forewarned of this eventuality by the artist, himself. Clever. The charade continues.... Cause you know... he couldnt possibly do charity work AND do church related things in the same week.... he does firesides all the time. This time there just happened to be some press people there... thats the only difference.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 13, 2010 15:27:26 GMT -5
David singing acapella Contigo En La Distancia at the press conference yesterday: www.epicdemia.com/videos/davidarchuletaguatemala.3gp(Note: this isn't supposed to go on youtube, per the contract the reporter signed to be there) I guess David mostly sang in Spanish yesterday. I really hope he releases a Spanish-language album in the future.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Jan 13, 2010 15:33:08 GMT -5
David singing acapella Contigo En La Distancia at the press conference yesterday: www.epicdemia.com/videos/davidarchuletaguatemala.3gp(Note: this isn't supposed to go on youtube, per the contract the reporter signed to be there) I guess David mostly sang in Spanish yesterday. I really hope he releases a Spanish-language album in the future. Yeah It would be nice to see his release a spanish album in the future. Im sure he would really like to do that as well.
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Post by violet on Jan 13, 2010 16:55:39 GMT -5
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 13, 2010 17:14:08 GMT -5
^^ I don't think the Worsters realize he's been in on the joke for awhile now. He's said more than once that he realizes there's stuff about him that is easy to make fun of. They didn't give him enough credit for having a sense of humor about himself which, IMO, he's always had.
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Post by Rurry on Jan 13, 2010 19:48:41 GMT -5
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Jan 13, 2010 19:55:42 GMT -5
LOL. That dude went to the Hollywood round last year, too, and he was in the group performance with Kris Allen and Matt Giraud. I didn't remember that -- I saw it online today. It's a better cover of the song than I've seen before; he made it rock. But, yeah, his enunciation is just a little off. lol.
Kinda annoyed that the two songs listed for David that Hollywood contestants can sing are "Touch My Hand" and... inexplicably, "You're the Voice" (that's not even his song, he just sang it on Idol). Contestants aren't gonna sing those songs. lol. But I guess it's better than what they listed for Jordin, which was only This Is My Now. Er... she had all those top 5 hits and they are only allowing peeps to sing her lame coronation single? It's not like people oversang Jordin in previous seasons.
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Post by Rurry on Jan 13, 2010 20:08:44 GMT -5
Touch My Hand? That wasn't even a single lol. Raaandom.
TMH is probably vocally easier than Crush and ALTNOY though, or it seems it. Are they doing like a "sing songs by past Idols" for Hollywood week or something? I haven't been keeping up with Idol this year.
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