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Post by lockebox on Oct 31, 2010 22:14:07 GMT -5
Wow, You Got Me is gone already? Didn't it just enter the Top 20? Yeah ??? Last I remember it was still rising within the top 20. Similar situation with Since October on Active.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Oct 31, 2010 22:21:13 GMT -5
It had reached 20 weeks, I guess even a small negative bullet was enough to send this to recurrent.
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Post by Devin on Oct 31, 2010 22:25:43 GMT -5
I hate it when songs are at the spot they peaked or are still gaining a little and they go recurrent.
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Post by crash46 on Oct 31, 2010 22:32:22 GMT -5
"You Got Me" had been at #16 for two weeks and was +39 last week. It was falling when I checked this morning and since it'd been on the chart for 22 weeks, I guess that's why they gave it the axe. That sucks.
And I edited my post because I forgot that it was 20/15 now. I think they can go back to 20/20 since they have additional measures to eliminate the dinosaurs after 40 weeks. Or possibly like, 20/20, 30/15, and 40/10.
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Post by lockebox on Oct 31, 2010 23:17:53 GMT -5
One point of this new rule is to give new bands a better chance, yet that's kinda worked against that seeing as "You Got Me" has disappeared after having a bullet only a few days before. Ah well, aslong as the "dinosaurs" are eliminated.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Nov 1, 2010 10:28:52 GMT -5
Top 30 on Alternative:
40 30 CEE LO GREEN F**k You (Forget You) 274 221 53 1.489
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Post by crash46 on Nov 1, 2010 12:21:02 GMT -5
Top 30. :). I don't think there's ever been another rebound like this. It's similar to that of "Rip Out the Wings of a Butterfly", only that one didn't have the granddaddy of all radio formats saying the song was dead.
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Post by Radical347 on Nov 3, 2010 19:15:48 GMT -5
Live and Channel both added this at the beginning and dropped it a few weeks later. They're probably both going to pick up again.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 5, 2010 12:24:49 GMT -5
i still don't see how this is rock? i mean daughtry and matchbox twenty get ignored by rock so how can Cee Lo Green be considered rock or even Coldplay for that matter, Daughtry and Rob have natural rock voices regardless of what musical landscape is behind them! i just get confused at the genres anymore lol, what was rock in the 70s,80s is now adult contemporary and hot ac
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 13:18:06 GMT -5
Coldplay is a LOT more alternative than Rob Thomas and Daughtry. Notice that Coldplay has never charted on Mainstream or Active Rock (and don't tell me they've had top 50s because airplay from misclassified cumulus stations does not count!) Coldplay are descendants of U2 who are among the most successful and quintessential alternative acts. Coldplay is designed for alternative.
With Cee Lo, I sorta understand where you're coming from, but again...alternative isn't the same thing as rock; it's just classified as a rock format. Techno, electronic, and new wave are at the heart of the birth of alternative music, and while "f**k You" doesn't fit nicely into one of those genres, it's a related genre. Alternative also emerged as a counter-culture, (supposedly) non-corporate opponent to corporate overly industrialized rock acts such. Daughtry (as a product of American Idol) and Rob Thomas (especially as a solo artist) don't come close to fitting the spirit of alternative. As for rock, you might have a point, but Rob Thomas isn't heavy enough for Active Rock, and RCA stopped pushing the right singles to do well at active rock after he had 2 top 10 hits there just 3 years ago.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 5, 2010 16:32:38 GMT -5
I agree that Daughtry should be played on Active Rock. They fit in perfectly alongside Cavo, Nickelback, Saving Abel, Shinedown & 3 Doors Down if you ask me. Songs like "You Don't Belong" & "Ghost of You" are perfect hard rocking songs for active, that would/should have been hits if they were released on their self-titled debut a few years back. Sadly, they marketed their second album too much to Pop.
As, for Matchbox Twenty, you can add them to the list of late 90 alt-rock/post-grunge bands that will never see the light of day on Alternative again. Others that come to mind are Better than Ezra, Collective Soul, Everclear, Gin Blossoms, Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind & Tonic. They're time on rock radio has unfortunately come and gone, as the sound of Alt. radio has changed. Lifehouse have had a similiar problem.
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 16:38:15 GMT -5
First of all it's "Ghost of Me". Second, I agree that "You Don't Belong" should've been released to rock after "No Surprise" was released to pop and HAC.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 5, 2010 16:40:39 GMT -5
^ Aha I was getting confused with the MCR hit. And no I disagree. "You Don't Belong" should have been released as the lead single. "It's Not Over" worked on all formats, I see no reason why "You Don't Belong" wouldn't have. A top 15 peak on the Hot 100 was guaranteed, anyway.
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 17:56:59 GMT -5
^ Aha I was getting confused with the MCR hit. And no I disagree. "You Don't Belong" should have been released as the lead single. "It's Not Over" worked on all formats, I see no reason why "You Don't Belong" wouldn't have. A top 15 peak on the Hot 100 was guaranteed, anyway. The Top 15 Hot 100 guaranteed I agree with, but I don't think "You Don't Belong" would've done well on pop given the state of electro-pop at the time. I would have to say that it wouldn't have gotten past Top 20, let alone Top 30. It's also a harder and less pop-radio friendly.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 5, 2010 18:02:27 GMT -5
^ Aha I was getting confused with the MCR hit. And no I disagree. "You Don't Belong" should have been released as the lead single. "It's Not Over" worked on all formats, I see no reason why "You Don't Belong" wouldn't have. A top 15 peak on the Hot 100 was guaranteed, anyway. The Top 15 Hot 100 guaranteed I agree with, but I don't think "You Don't Belong" would've done well on pop given the state of electro-pop at the time. I would have to say that it wouldn't have gotten past Top 20, let alone Top 30. It's also a harder and less pop-radio friendly. The Idol performance would have guaranteed it come to think of it. Hm a Daughtry lead single on the back of an album that went 4x platinum? I think top 10 would have been possible, seeing as "No Suprise" achieved that.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 6, 2010 0:26:41 GMT -5
Coldplay is a LOT more alternative than Rob Thomas and Daughtry. Notice that Coldplay has never charted on Mainstream or Active Rock (and don't tell me they've had top 50s because airplay from misclassified cumulus stations does not count!) Coldplay are descendants of U2 who are among the most successful and quintessential alternative acts. Coldplay is designed for alternative. With Cee Lo, I sorta understand where you're coming from, but again...alternative isn't the same thing as rock; it's just classified as a rock format. Techno, electronic, and new wave are at the heart of the birth of alternative music, and while "f**k You" doesn't fit nicely into one of those genres, it's a related genre. Alternative also emerged as a counter-culture, (supposedly) non-corporate opponent to corporate overly industrialized rock acts such. Daughtry (as a product of American Idol) and Rob Thomas (especially as a solo artist) don't come close to fitting the spirit of alternative. As for rock, you might have a point, but Rob Thomas isn't heavy enough for Active Rock, and RCA stopped pushing the right singles to do well at active rock after he had 2 top 10 hits there just 3 years ago. All this. No, we're not talking about a 'rock' song here. But people always underestimate the lifestyle and culture factor when it comes to songs like these. The format is not consistent; Alternative definitely picks its spots, but those are major factors for sure. And since we mentioned poor Daughtry, "It's Not Over" has got to be the most blatant case of pay-per-play in the history of the Alternative chart, so much so that it was literally years before I could think of him as a legitimate artist rather than another Johnny-come-also-ran getting a free ride up the charts. It went 50-49-46-42-42-42-49 and then 'mysteriously' jumped to #38 and took off from there. I mean, we're talking a highly anticipated debut from the talk of the entire American Idol '06 season and radio decides to wait eight weeks after its release before determining they want to play the song? O-kay... I understand that the label couldn't just let him fail so soon, so they propped the song up after radio showed little to no interest in voluntary airplay. But after that, I think the label probably saw how inefficient it would be to continue pushing him at Alternative, so they pushed him into a more contemporary direction. But that song was definitive proof that that anything could be played here...for the right price.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 7, 2010 10:53:31 GMT -5
As, for Matchbox Twenty, you can add them to the list of late 90 alt-rock/post-grunge bands that will never see the light of day on Alternative again. Others that come to mind are Better than Ezra, Collective Soul, Everclear, Gin Blossoms, Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind & Tonic. They're time on rock radio has unfortunately come and gone, as the sound of Alt. radio has changed. Lifehouse have had a similiar problem. I think Alt. radio realized pretty quickly that it couldn't have the same core artists as Hot AC - I remember in '97 when WPLJ started playing Semi-Charmed Life all these people thought they were crazy, but by 1999 almost all HACs had modified their sound and based it around Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind, Goo Goo Dolls, etc. - so Alt. stations started shifting towards Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park Alternative did play Gin Blossoms, Collective Soul, and Counting Crows back in the mid-90s, but that was back when most Hot ACs were playing Phil Collins, Rod Stewart, and Bryan Adams Also some of those artists began to sound less Alternative with each album - IMO there was nothing "Alternative" about You And Me, If You're Gone, or Never Let You Go
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 7, 2010 10:58:52 GMT -5
Coldplay is a LOT more alternative than Rob Thomas and Daughtry. Yeah, IMO with the Rock Formats you gotta look at the whole CD - Coldplay has an Alternative sound through their whole album - Rob Thomas solo is completely pop (that's why he went solo), and Daughtry is straight-ahead pop/rock, which is almost always marketed to HAC
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 9, 2010 2:32:31 GMT -5
And one week after a +53 bullet was good enough to vault the song from 40 to 30, the door slams shut and the song has a bullet of 0.
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Post by Ron57 on Nov 11, 2010 0:24:39 GMT -5
This song was played on "No Ordinary Family" the other night.
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Post by halo19 on Dec 18, 2010 7:48:33 GMT -5
lol at all of the Grammy nominations for this song. Let's hope it can win Record/Song of the Year.
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Post by Radical347 on Dec 18, 2010 16:47:59 GMT -5
I will shake my head in dismay at what our society has degenerated into if a song called "Fuck You" wins Record and/or Song of the Year.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 18, 2010 17:34:37 GMT -5
^Really? It's not like this is some tough-guy anthem fuck you. This a song with a hilariously major key happy melody from a guy who sounds like he's singing some celebratory love song. The undertones make the song quite clever. It's not immoral and it's not juvenile so on what grounds is the song indicative of society degenerating other than that it has a "bad word" in the title?
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Post by Radical347 on Dec 18, 2010 18:08:15 GMT -5
^Really? It's not like this is some tough-guy anthem f**k you. This a song with a hilariously major key happy melody from a guy who sounds like he's singing some celebratory love song. The undertones make the song quite clever. It's not immoral and it's not juvenile so on what grounds is the song indicative of society degenerating other than that it has a "bad word" in the title? "Immoral" and "juvenile" are matters of opinion, but it's not even that it "has" a bad word in its title, it's that the title "is" a bad word, and the grandaddy of bad words at that, clear and blatant. I don't find the execution that clever although I do get what he's trying to do with the happy melody. I found Eamon's song far more clever despite the totally ridiculous and obviously staged feud. That being said, there is a place for songs like this but the music industry's very top award isn't it, IMO.
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Post by GRRR on Dec 21, 2010 2:35:21 GMT -5
I love this! I still kinda resent it for taking the chance for Dog Days Are Over get Grammy noms lol
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Post by halo19 on Dec 21, 2010 3:28:21 GMT -5
I kind of wouldn't be surprised if "Love the Way You Lie," "Need You Now," or "Empire State of Mind" won the award instead. Also, there's "Nothin' on You."
I wonder if they'll have to resort to its dumbed-down title when announcing it on the Grammys. If it wins or not, it'll be inside of a Plugged In essay, haha.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Feb 13, 2011 21:57:04 GMT -5
Interesting performance tonight. Cee-Lo looking like the NBC peacock... on CBS. And Muppet-like performers. Would've been cooler if Animal made an appearance on the drums.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Feb 14, 2011 8:48:40 GMT -5
Wow, I bet that was a sight. Was he censored or choose the alternative version of the song?
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Post by Devin on Feb 14, 2011 14:38:43 GMT -5
^ Alternative version. He also had Gwyneth Paltrow singing with him and Cee-Lo forgot some of his lines
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Feb 15, 2011 10:18:46 GMT -5
I sorta can't blame him. There are two different versions he has to remember.
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