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Post by pen on Mar 30, 2011 19:04:39 GMT -5
Well both of their two most recent albums have primary producers with one or two tracks produced by Benson. So far Benson has produced "I Don't Care", "Not Strong Enough", and "Broken Pieces" (f/ Lacey of Flyleaf so it's sure to be the third single). The guys say that they don't like their radio rock tunes and Paavo hates "Not Strong Enough". He says that they only play that song live in markets where the local radio station is currently playing it. Otherwise they avoid it at all costs. So basically they're sellouts. They decided they weren't making enough money trying to promote instrumental cello metal so they're making music they hate to support music they love. I can't say I blame them, but goddamn.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 19:11:06 GMT -5
Well it's certainly drawing the crowd to hear what they usually do. And I don't mind the idea of selling out on one song to attract people to an awesome album. I hate the idea of selling out your entire sound for the remainder of your career. There's a big difference between what Apocalyptica is doing, and say, what Staind has done over time.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 30, 2011 19:17:47 GMT -5
Their label would probably be bitches about it, too, if they attempted to wriggle out of the rock radio circuit. I'm sure they're happy with the dough, and festival spots they're getting from it, any way.
Interesting. The difference between Apocalyptica & Staind, though, is I think Aaron Lewis & co. enjoy playing their generic, post-grunge dirge.
*digs out copy of "Dysfunction"* :)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 19:23:02 GMT -5
I bet guitarist Mike Mushok has some heaviness still in his bones. He used to tune his guitar down VERY low. I use his signature baritone guitar. He's metal to the core. Aaron Lewis probably calls the shots now.
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Post by pen on Mar 30, 2011 19:40:00 GMT -5
We'll see what happens with Staind's next album.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 30, 2011 19:48:36 GMT -5
Well, if they keep going with this current album pattern, they'll end up sounding like Cavo with the next one. They seem to sound less heavy with each coming album.
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Post by pen on Mar 30, 2011 19:54:43 GMT -5
Well, if they keep going with this current album pattern, they'll end up sounding like Cavo with the next one. They seem to sound less heavy with each coming album. I dunno about that. I think the last three albums have been a fairly even mix.
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Post by pen on Mar 30, 2011 19:55:01 GMT -5
Oh, and you know what happens if you diss Cavo? You die!
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 19:58:18 GMT -5
Yeah, but Illusion Of Progress was the first album to lack a legitimately heavy song. "This Is It" would have been a middle of the road track on 14 Shades Of Gray, a slightly heavier than average track on Chapter V, and it was one of the 2 or 3 heaviest tracks on Illusion.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 30, 2011 20:01:46 GMT -5
Nah, there was nothing like "Price to Play" on the last two albums. I think Lewis has completely eradicated the screaming, too, which is disappointing. They'll need to release something fresh, or they'll turn out like 3DD this era, I think.
Haha. I wasn't dissin' them, just saying I think Staind should be a heavier band than Cavo. Ah screw it, might as well go out in style... Jamie played with them, and said they sucked.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 20:04:33 GMT -5
I don't remember saying that. *tries to stave off impending doom at the hands of Matt*
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Post by pen on Mar 30, 2011 20:22:45 GMT -5
(gives the evil eye)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 20:35:01 GMT -5
Other Matt, can you show me where I said they sucked live? I actually don't remember saying that.
EDIT: the strikethrough works quite poorly on that 2nd t.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 30, 2011 20:48:31 GMT -5
Other Mat t, can you show me where I said they sucked live? I actually don't remember saying that. EDIT: the strikethrough works quite poorly on that 2nd t. Oh, you were serious? Haha. I just assumed you disliked them, as they aren't really your style, I guess. I don't remember you being too favorable with them. Ok, time to dig out some gems... *upon research* Hm, maybe you weren't as hateful as I thought you were, but still not too kind. This band has no identity whatsoever. But this band has nothing remotely trademark about them. How many bands do you know that can last a long time at radio or in general without being almost instantly identifiable? I feel like a stalker.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 30, 2011 21:05:35 GMT -5
Oh I knew that I thought they sucked as a band. I just don't remember saying that after playing with them that they sucked live. When "Champagne" was the current single and "Let It Go" was getting love for being in Transformers II, I wasn't too high on them. I'm still not, but I'd probably be less inclined to go out of my way to diss them. Howard Benson would be a perfect producer for those guys, by the way. :)
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Post by rockmaniac on Apr 1, 2011 21:54:13 GMT -5
this song is now growing on me. that explains my new sig.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Apr 1, 2011 22:42:46 GMT -5
the whole album amazed me, some really nice songs there
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Apr 18, 2011 8:29:16 GMT -5
nice, maybe this can hit the top 10 after all
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Post by rockmaniac on Apr 18, 2011 8:35:49 GMT -5
it's a longshot
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Post by lockebox on Apr 18, 2011 17:07:24 GMT -5
Longshot? By no means. If Hollywood Undead can go top 10, then surely this can.
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Post by rockmaniac on May 4, 2011 7:38:17 GMT -5
well, this could go top 10very soon. I guess I was wrong
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Post by Devin on May 4, 2011 13:15:40 GMT -5
It's already Top 10 on Billboard, so I'd say it'll get through here soon. I'm actually surprisede this song has gotten so far.
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Post by rockmaniac on May 4, 2011 13:22:59 GMT -5
It's already Top 10 on Billboard, so I'd say it'll get through here soon. I'm actually surprisede this song has gotten so far. so am I.
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Post by rockmaniac on May 5, 2011 16:43:24 GMT -5
Top 10 (Active)
12 10 ART OF DYING Die Trying 1036 1036 0 2.56
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jun 10, 2011 11:35:44 GMT -5
Top 5 on Active:
7 5 ART OF DYING Die Trying 1397 1263 134 3.852
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Post by rockmaniac on Jun 10, 2011 13:00:56 GMT -5
Top 5 on Active: 7 5 ART OF DYING Die Trying 1397 1263 134 3.852 WOW!
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Post by Devin on Jun 10, 2011 13:30:13 GMT -5
Who ever thought it was gonna go this far.. :o
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Post by lockebox on Jun 10, 2011 17:40:49 GMT -5
... and this is Active's darkhorse for #1.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 10, 2011 19:16:58 GMT -5
... and this is Active's darkhorse for #1. I wish...but, 0% chance of that happening. It's been on the chart too long. It's gonna start to lose some of its early supporters very soon. There are two songs between it and the #1 spot with bigger bullets, there are three songs on its tail with bigger bullets, and this bullet is inflated still due to memorial day. Most if not all of that bullet will be gone by Tuesday. Still, a #5 peak (assuming it can hold on until Sunday) is awesome for them.
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Post by lockebox on Jun 10, 2011 19:46:18 GMT -5
Yeah, who am I kidding. "Lowlife" or "Sick" is gonna hit #1.
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