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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Oct 16, 2010 12:48:49 GMT -5
Out this week from Billboard. Only heard once. Closest thing to older Linkin Park I've heard. May sound too familiar to get seriously airplay.
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Post by lockebox on Oct 16, 2010 17:14:53 GMT -5
Linkin Park? ??? These guys are pop-punk/emo and sound nothing like Linkin Park. Jimmy Eat World would have been a more accurate comparision. Of course they're not gonna chart, bands such as There for Tomorrow, All Time Low, Boys Like Girls, Cartel, Simple Plan, etc. are just too poppy for Alternative airplay.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 16, 2010 17:40:56 GMT -5
from Billboard? Explain Mr. Ziff.
Love this song. It's my favorite off of the Re:Creations EP so far.
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Post by pen on Oct 16, 2010 17:50:17 GMT -5
from Billboard? Explain Mr. Ziff. I can't imagine Ziff ever explaining anything, but what he means is that it was listed on Billboard, so he posted it. It's not being released through Billboard.
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 16, 2010 18:14:23 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed that in each reply there isn't an additional "Re:" in the thread title like in every other thread.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Oct 18, 2010 14:56:08 GMT -5
This band is in music for all the wrong reasons. Their sound is contrived and aimed at teeny-boppers and they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 18, 2010 17:43:51 GMT -5
from Billboard? Explain Mr. Ziff. I can't imagine Ziff ever explaining anything, but what he means is that it was listed on Billboard, so he posted it. It's not being released through Billboard. I figured just as much but I was hoping for a legendary response. :'( Thanks for the explanation! :) This band is in music for all the wrong reasons. Their sound is contrived and aimed at teeny-boppers and they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression. Either you've got the worst sarcasm that I've ever come across or you're just that dumb to say that about a band you obviously know nothing about. Leave your ignorant comments to yourself, next time.
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Post by pen on Oct 18, 2010 19:50:10 GMT -5
I think you're about to get your legendary response.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 18, 2010 20:14:33 GMT -5
I think you're about to get your legendary response. if you're talking about Nicholas, I've got that covered by the ignore feature. ;]
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Post by pen on Oct 18, 2010 20:21:14 GMT -5
I think you're about to get your legendary response. if you're talking about Nicholas, I've got that covered by the ignore feature. ;] A shame, you'll be missing out on greatness.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 18, 2010 20:46:29 GMT -5
they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression. He's clearly saying just how much they care about their hair, which must be a lot given how sincere their music is. But in all seriousness, they do seem super "scene". That doesn't mean they're bad at what they do. Whether they -- independently of, or thanks to their producers -- sound very well-layered and have a production comparable to a slightly heavier Paramore is a question that is paramount to my respect or lack thereof for this group, but they have some likable, albeit, unoriginal moments.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Oct 19, 2010 2:01:27 GMT -5
Either you've got the worst sarcasm that I've ever come across or you're just that dumb to say that about a band you obviously know nothing about. Leave your ignorant comments to yourself, next time. Obviously I didn't see them play live recently, right after witnessing at least a couple of them being groomed backstage by not one, not two, but three professional hair stylists. This was the first time I'd ever heard of this band (but who knows, I may have already forgotten their name after reading it in AP) and it was the last night of their tour. Your hair is so important to your baby-band live show that not only can you not style each other's hair well enough to get by on the road for a few weeks (months?), but you have to hire 3 dudes to come in and do it for you on the last night of your tour? I'm about to be blissfully ignored and it just hurts so bad I don't know what to do with myself.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 19, 2010 4:45:21 GMT -5
they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression. He's clearly saying just how much they care about their hair, which must be a lot given how sincere their music is. But in all seriousness, they do seem super "scene". That doesn't mean they're bad at what they do. Whether they -- independently of, or thanks to their producers -- sound very well-layered and have a production comparable to a slightly heavier Paramore is a question that is paramount to my respect or lack thereof for this group, but they have some likable, albeit, unoriginal moments. Well this song and the EP it is contained in, their lead singer produced all of it. Also, I find the "a slightly heavier Paramore" to be a compliment. As far as being unoriginal goes, I don't hear it at all in their music. Either you've got the worst sarcasm that I've ever come across or you're just that dumb to say that about a band you obviously know nothing about. Leave your ignorant comments to yourself, next time. Obviously I didn't see them play live recently, right after witnessing at least a couple of them being groomed backstage by not one, not two, but three professional hair stylists. This was the first time I'd ever heard of this band (but who knows, I may have already forgotten their name after reading it in AP) and it was the last night of their tour. Your hair is so important to your baby-band live show that not only can you not style each other's hair well enough to get by on the road for a few weeks (months?), but you have to hire 3 dudes to come in and do it for you on the last night of your tour? I'm about to be blissfully ignored and it just hurts so bad I don't know what to do with myself. :-/ I can see a band play live too but that doesn't mean I know anything about the band. I may have also heard about that same band in some dumb magazine but that doesn't mean I know anything about the band. Unless you've read what this band has said about themselves, you honestly cannot justify any of your comments. So what does their hair have to do with their music again? Also, what is wrong about wanting to look presentable in front of a crowd that paid to see you. By the way, this band can't afford to have three professional hair stylists. Plus, I don't think I'd want to go to a show where the live act looks like trash unless of course I paid for that. ;)
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Post by pen on Oct 19, 2010 8:20:47 GMT -5
Plus, I don't think I'd want to go to a show where the live act looks like trash lolwut
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Oct 19, 2010 8:38:58 GMT -5
Well this song and the EP it is contained in, their lead singer produced all of it. Also, I find the "a slightly heavier Paramore" to be a compliment. As far as being unoriginal goes, I don't hear it at all in their music. I can see a band play live too but that doesn't mean I know anything about the band. I may have also heard about that same band in some dumb magazine but that doesn't mean I know anything about the band. Unless you've read what this band has said about themselves, you honestly cannot justify any of your comments. So what does their hair have to do with their music again? Also, what is wrong about wanting to look presentable in front of a crowd that paid to see you. By the way, this band can't afford to have three professional hair stylists. Plus, I don't think I'd want to go to a show where the live act looks like trash unless of course I paid for that. ;) And who made you a music expert? Maybe YOU should keep your ignorant comments to yourself next time.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 19, 2010 15:46:49 GMT -5
And who made you a music expert? Maybe YOU should keep your ignorant comments to yourself next time. Who are you? You don't have to be one. It's pretty obvious that Nicholas2.0 knows nothing of There For Tomorrow. I wouldn't have even bothered with his post had there actually been some truth in it. My comments are far from ignorant. Though, I am very much open to you proving that they are. :-*
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Post by crash46 on Oct 19, 2010 16:09:27 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if he doesn't "know" the band. He watched the band on and off the stage and that was enough to gather a negative impression, and you insulted him just for having an opinion. That's why just about everyone here has a negative impression of you at this point.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 19, 2010 16:24:22 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if he doesn't "know" the band. He watched the band on and off the stage and that was enough to gather a negative impression, and you insulted him just for having an opinion. That's why just about everyone here has a negative impression of you at this point. Pretty sure it does matter if he knows them or not. He was talking about how they care more about their hair than they do their artistic expression. How can one gather a sound opinion of a band when they only play about 4-6 songs? Who is to say he even paid any attention to the band? It's not like he was there for them. I'm not even sure seeing a band live can completely encompass their artistic expression. Thanks but I could not care less about anyone's opinion of me.
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Post by pen on Oct 19, 2010 17:20:51 GMT -5
How can one gather a sound opinion of a band when they only play about 4-6 songs? If you don't know if you like a band or not after 4 songs, then you may have problems.
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Post by crash46 on Oct 19, 2010 17:42:46 GMT -5
Thanks but I could not care less about anyone's opinion of me. Yes you could, because we are all consumers here, and we all have our own criteria for what makes music interesting and enjoyable. And right now your argument in favor of this band is less compelling than the argument against it. So not only do I not know the band, but I have never seen them and have never heard their music. And I'm not interested. And it's all your fault because you have a weak argument and you used personal attacks. Let me give another example. I do not know Justin Biebler. But I have seen him on the cover of People Magazine, and I have heard about 4-6 of his songs. All of the songs I have heard have been absolutely painful to listen to. So what do I do? Get to know this kid, in the off chance that it might help me understand and enjoy his material? Or do I stop wasting my time with him and dismiss him as garbage so that I can move on toward something else more up my alley? I think there's a pretty obvious answer to that.
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Post by nightshade on Oct 19, 2010 18:09:50 GMT -5
If you don't know if you like a band or not after 4 songs, then you may have problems. I never had a problem with that. I just don't see how one can say they actually know about the band and their artistic expression. Yes you could, because we are all consumers here, and we all have our own criteria for what makes music interesting and enjoyable. And right now your argument in favor of this band is less compelling than the argument against it. So not only do I not know the band, but I have never seen them and have never heard their music. And I'm not interested. And it's all your fault because you have a weak argument and you used personal attacks. Let me give another example. I do not know Justin Biebler. But I have seen him on the cover of People Magazine, and I have heard about 4-6 of his songs. All of the songs I have heard have been absolutely painful to listen to. So what do I do? Get to know this kid, in the off chance that it might help me understand and enjoy his material? Or do I stop wasting my time with him and dismiss him as garbage so that I can move on toward something else more up my alley? I think there's a pretty obvious answer to that. No, I really could not. So sorry to disappoint but I don't recall saying that I was going to give a compelling argument for the band. I was only pointing out the flaws in Nicholas2.0's statement. If you're not going to be interested in a band's music because of one person, then there is fault that lies with you. I don't care if it's my fault. :] I'm not sure if it really is that obvious. You've already heard about 4-6 songs so could another really hurt more than help? You really don't justify the fact that he said "they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression." Who is he to say that they care more about their hair? He only saw them live (once?) and read their name in a magazine. Big deal.
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Post by Renzokuken on Oct 19, 2010 20:04:59 GMT -5
I love this band :(( And I think I'm the only one here in PMB. :(
Anyways, good choice, but I prefer "Sore Winner" from ALF album more.
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Post by Ron57 on Oct 19, 2010 23:34:02 GMT -5
I think i've only heard a few songs by this band. Kinda sounds like everything else in this kind of scene though. I think they had a song called "Remember When" that i kind of liked, but I barely remember it. (Ironic, right?)
Anyway, as for the argument at hand. I think that listening to 4-6 songs and saying hey, I don't like this, I think that this sucks, this is not my kind of music, is totally justifiable. However, listening to 4-6 songs and going on a message board flat out saying "this band is in the music industry for all the wrong reasons" is a very bold thing to do, with no backing evidence of this other than one's own opinion of their music. It just goes back to don't judge a book by it's cover. You may not have enjoyed the music, or their hair. But don't go saying that they are basically horrible people who don't care about anything but their hair, when you don't know that as a fact. Because that's not stating an opinion, that's spreading hate.
And by the way, I mean no offense to anyone, just thought I'd add another perspective into this.
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Post by Matt4319 on Oct 19, 2010 23:48:52 GMT -5
This band is in music for all the wrong reasons. Their sound is contrived and aimed at teeny-boppers and they care more about their hair than they do about sincere artistic expression. Well, their cover of "Ice Box" still kicks ass though.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 20, 2010 4:19:13 GMT -5
Having thought about everything more, I'm going to acknowledge an element of Nicholas' statement as very likely true, but it's a significantly different stance. My conclusion:
The music industry is into this band for all the wrong reasons. They're marketed to fill a specific role as part of a superficial music scene largely aimed at teeny-boppers, which is consistent with their own musical tastes. Their record label as well as many of the people who are fans of the band care more about their hair than their music, and thus the band's professional team has taken notice and made sure that they are well-groomed. The band is a young enough bunch of dudes that grew up with this music scene that I believe that they legitimately care about their music, but also have allowed themselves to be marketed in a very soulless way, which is their choice and in terms of $, it's probably to their benefit.
Thoughts, gentlemen?
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Post by pen on Oct 20, 2010 8:40:17 GMT -5
Having thought about everything more, I'm going to acknowledge an element of Nicholas' statement as very likely true, but it's a significantly different stance. My conclusion: The music industry is into this band for all the wrong reasons. They're marketed to fill a specific role as part of a superficial music scene largely aimed at teeny-boppers, which is consistent with their own musical tastes. Their record label as well as many of the people who are fans of the band care more about their hair than their music, and thus the band's professional team has taken notice and made sure that they are well-groomed. The band is a young enough bunch of dudes that grew up with this music scene that I believe that they legitimately care about their music, but also have allowed themselves to be marketed in a very soulless way, which is their choice and in terms of $, it's probably to their benefit. Thoughts, gentlemen? (shoots self)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 20, 2010 8:45:02 GMT -5
To the greater pulse community I say this:
You're Welcome! ;)
Still working on Artie.
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Post by pen on Oct 20, 2010 9:00:36 GMT -5
Hey!
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 20, 2010 9:07:54 GMT -5
You had it coming after "Too long didn't read" followed by that all in a few days' time. I'll make sure Lifehouse shoots themselves too so that they will be there with you to sing "You & Me" on repeat. Though I'll also have to arrange for a visit from Eagles Of Death Metal when Artie joins you.
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Post by pen on Oct 20, 2010 9:15:28 GMT -5
You had it coming after "Too long didn't read" followed by that all in a few days' time. I'll make sure Lifehouse shoots themselves too so that they will be there with you to sing "You & Me" on repeat. Though I'll also have to arrange for a visit from Eagles Of Death Metal when Artie joins you. Look I said I read it. I was just being flippant.
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