HITS 11-2 Taylor Swift 975-1000K

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Nov 2, 2010 0:43:27 GMT -5 musicrocks said:

Nov 2, 2010 0:41:23 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

WIN.

I concur.

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Nov 2, 2010 1:32:29 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

Okay, so I've been reading through the posts and I don't think the people who believe that a 1mil+ in 1st sales is harder took into account the musical climate. I don't they meant that if you were to literally go back in time and release Taylor's album that she would be guaranteed more, since of course the musical climate would affect her. What they were referring to is the sales climate/conditions. Albums back then had advantages that Taylor does not.

First, there was no illegal downloading so if you wanted an album you had to buy it. Second, many record labels would not make certain singles available for separate purchase. So even if you just wanted a single, you had to buy the album. That isn't the case today. Taylor has to deal w/ illegal downloading and has her sales split between album and singles sales due to itunes. These factors both take away from her potential numbers. Had the advantages that albums in the early 2000's had been present today, Taylor would likely (not guaranteed of course) have higher numbers.

Now let's turn the scenario around. What if back in 2000 N'Sync, BSB, etc. had to deal w/ large amount of illegal downloading and weren't able to make singles album-exclusive. Their numbers would likely go down since those factors take away from album sales.

Perhaps you guys were arguing different things?

I appreciate your post

Comments for those who say:

Taylor selling 1 million today is like x million in 2000 OR

It was much easier in 2000 to do this than now. Why?

There have only been 15 times in recorded history that this has happened.

2000 had a 12 month period that it happened 6 times. 2004 had 2. No other year had more than 1.

2000 was the peak sales year but 1999 and 2001 were not that much different from 2000(The CD free-fall was still a few years away). So it wasn't that. If it were, 1999, 2001 and 2002 would have had more than 1 as well.

Regardless of time period you need the perfect mix of star quality, timing music and marketing. The 6 who did that in 2000 had that. The Beatles 1, for example was the stocking stuffer gift of the 2000 holidays.

I would call 2000 an anomaly more than anything else.

[tony]

Nov 1, 2010 22:23:19 GMT -5 @2m said:

Thought I would bring this list back up since it is relevant to this week.

Soundscan all-time top 15 sales weeks

1 4/8/2000 No Strings Attached 'N Sync 2,415,859
2 8/11/2001 Celebrity 'N Sync 1,879,955
3 6/10/2000 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1,760,049
4 12/9/2000 Black & Blue Backstreet Boys 1,591,191
5 6/15/2002 The Eminem Show Eminem 1,321,799

Top 5 duopoly. Pwnage

[Rodze]

It is a fact that selling 1 million copies today is harder than in 2000.

It is also a fact slickshady looks like a crazy old man talking to himself in this thread.

There is absolutely no arguing about that. Now just give me the numbers, SoundScan.

[Tea-why]

Nov 1, 2010 22:23:19 GMT -5 @2m said:

Thought I would bring this list back up since it is relevant to this week.

Soundscan all-time top 15 sales weeks

1 4/8/2000 No Strings Attached 'N Sync 2,415,859
2 8/11/2001 Celebrity 'N Sync 1,879,955
3 6/10/2000 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1,760,049
4 12/9/2000 Black & Blue Backstreet Boys 1,591,191
5 6/15/2002 The Eminem Show Eminem 1,321,799
6 6/3/2000 Oops...I Did It Again Britney Spears 1,319,193
7 1/6/2001 1 The Beatles 1,258,667
8 3/19/2005 The Massacre 50 Cent 1,140,638
9 6/5/1999 Millennium Backstreet Boys 1,133,505
10 4/10/2004 Confessions Usher 1,096,213
11 12/5/1998 Double Live Garth Brooks 1,085,373
12 1/2/1993 The Bodyguard Soundtrack 1,061,000
13 11/4/2000 Chocolate Starfish Limp Bizkit 1,054,511
14 2/28/2004 Feels Like Home Norah Jones 1,022,149
15 6/28/2008 Tha Carter III Lil' Wayne 1,005,545

t4p.

I didn't realize Limp Bizkit sold that much with that album!

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

Chocolate Starfish and the hot dog flavored water was an awesome album.

[HolidayGuy]

There could have been albums that shifted 1m in one week, pre-SoundScan, but as 2m said, "recorded history." Album shipments were at their highest in the late 90s/early 2000s, so that also may not have occurred in a past instance (though we don't know what shipments were like exactly back in the 60s and 70s, unless someone has seen figures).

Question is, will Taylor's sales drop below 400k in her second week? Even a 70% dip should be enough to hang onto the top spot- and she may return to it (if she drops back) at some point.

[Deleted]

Nov 2, 2010 5:49:09 GMT -5 Rodze said:

It is a fact that selling 1 million copies today is harder than in 2000.

It is also a fact slickshady looks like a crazy old man talking to himself in this thread.

There is absolutely no arguing about that. Now just give me the numbers, SoundScan.

Based on what?

Sales market?

If there were 6 in 2000 and then why were there only 1 in each of the surrounding years?

Although 2000 was the peak year, the surrounding years were still fairly close.

If this phenomenon of reaching 1 million were based on the sales market climate, surely the surrounding years would have produced more than 1 instance?

No comment on slickshady ;)

[Minor Scratch]

Slicknick wtf man? Who stans Eminem anyway? Yes we know he sells a shitload but can't you just listen to his music and stfu? Mariah stans, Taylor stans, Christina stans I can understand its a bunch of chicks and divas who are going head to head in popular music and their sales and music are comparable or noteworthy in context. But Eminem? How can you compare his music and sales to a bunch of these divas? He's a fucking white rapper dude. His music and fanbase is incomparable to NSYNC, Britney Spears, and Taylor Swift. Same with your Tool bullshit. All incomparable and somehow you are finding dumbass ways to slide it into the discussion. Stop commenting useless shit or stan on someone comparable to Taylor's sales this week. All your Eminem comments and stats are completely irrelevant in this thread.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

This should be interesting, get your popcorn out everyone.

[tsw2008]

^^

That gif. *deaded* *deceased*

Right click save as.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Nov 2, 2010 1:32:29 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

Okay, so I've been reading through the posts and I don't think the people who believe that a 1mil+ in 1st sales is harder took into account the musical climate. I don't they meant that if you were to literally go back in time and release Taylor's album that she would be guaranteed more, since of course the musical climate would affect her. What they were referring to is the sales climate/conditions. Albums back then had advantages that Taylor does not.

First, there was no illegal downloading so if you wanted an album you had to buy it. Second, many record labels would not make certain singles available for separate purchase. So even if you just wanted a single, you had to buy the album. That isn't the case today. Taylor has to deal w/ illegal downloading and has her sales split between album and singles sales due to itunes. These factors both take away from her potential numbers. Had the advantages that albums in the early 2000's had been present today, Taylor would likely (not guaranteed of course) have higher numbers.

Now let's turn the scenario around. What if back in 2000 N'Sync, BSB, etc. had to deal w/ large amount of illegal downloading and weren't able to make singles album-exclusive. Their numbers would likely go down since those factors take away from album sales.

Perhaps you guys were arguing different things?

Maybe people who bought the single only want the single. I am also curious about how complete my album affects the charts? Why should it count twice as both a single track download and an album track download?

[ListenToItTwice]

Nov 2, 2010 9:36:50 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Nov 2, 2010 1:32:29 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

Okay, so I've been reading through the posts and I don't think the people who believe that a 1mil+ in 1st sales is harder took into account the musical climate. I don't they meant that if you were to literally go back in time and release Taylor's album that she would be guaranteed more, since of course the musical climate would affect her. What they were referring to is the sales climate/conditions. Albums back then had advantages that Taylor does not.

First, there was no illegal downloading so if you wanted an album you had to buy it. Second, many record labels would not make certain singles available for separate purchase. So even if you just wanted a single, you had to buy the album. That isn't the case today. Taylor has to deal w/ illegal downloading and has her sales split between album and singles sales due to itunes. These factors both take away from her potential numbers. Had the advantages that albums in the early 2000's had been present today, Taylor would likely (not guaranteed of course) have higher numbers.

Now let's turn the scenario around. What if back in 2000 N'Sync, BSB, etc. had to deal w/ large amount of illegal downloading and weren't able to make singles album-exclusive. Their numbers would likely go down since those factors take away from album sales.

Perhaps you guys were arguing different things?

Maybe people who bought the single only want the single. I am also curious about how complete my album affects the charts? Why should it count twice as both a single track download and an album track download?

It counts as a "return" of the single, and a sale of the album.

[tsw2008]

Been reading through this thread as well and find it hard to believe that people are arguing this *wouldn't* have sold more back in 2000. Of course it would, it's beyond me how you can argue otherwise.

I think we are all well aware of havoc that illegal downloading has wrecked on album sales and the industry in general.

[Deleted]

Nov 2, 2010 10:01:24 GMT -5 ListenToItTwice said:

Nov 2, 2010 9:36:50 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Maybe people who bought the single only want the single. I am also curious about how complete my album affects the charts? Why should it count twice as both a single track download and an album track download?

It counts as a "return" of the single, and a sale of the album.

So what happens when let's say 130k people completed the album, but the single "Mine" only sells 70k downloads?

[ListenToItTwice]

Nov 2, 2010 10:31:26 GMT -5 @reidlos20 said:

Nov 2, 2010 10:01:24 GMT -5 ListenToItTwice said:

It counts as a "return" of the single, and a sale of the album.

So what happens when let's say 130k people completed the album, but the single "Mine" only sells 70k downloads?

So its sales for the week are officially 0, I guess... I'm a little confused about it myself, to be honest.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

Nov 2, 2010 9:18:57 GMT -5 Minor Scratch said:

Slicknick wtf man? Who stans Eminem anyway? Yes we know he sells a s**tload but can't you just listen to his music and stfu? Mariah stans, Taylor stans, Christina stans I can understand its a bunch of chicks and divas who are going head to head in popular music and their sales and music are comparable or noteworthy in context. But Eminem? How can you compare his music and sales to a bunch of these divas? He's a f**king white rapper dude. His music and fanbase is incomparable to NSYNC, Britney Spears, and Taylor Swift. Same with your Tool bulls**t. All incomparable and somehow you are finding dumbass ways to slide it into the discussion. Stop commenting useless s**t or stan on someone comparable to Taylor's sales this week. All your Eminem comments and stats are completely irrelevant in this thread.

Why must you bait him?

Don't Bother Responding slicknick.
Haters will always hate.
We were talking about general sales, i dont see how Eminem's inclusion proves detrimental to the discussion at hand.

[Rodze]

Nov 2, 2010 10:25:58 GMT -5 tsw2008 said:

Been reading through this thread as well and find it hard to believe that people are arguing this *wouldn't* have sold more back in 2000. Of course it would, it's beyond me how you can argue otherwise.

I think we are all well aware of havoc that illegal downloading has wrecked on album sales and the industry in general.

While it is indisputable it is harder to sell 1 million today than it was when album sales were at their peak, there is nothing that we can use to prove the theory Taylor would have sold more in 2000 or 2001.

We just can't know about that.

[neverduplicated]

Nov 2, 2010 9:36:50 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Nov 2, 2010 1:32:29 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

Okay, so I've been reading through the posts and I don't think the people who believe that a 1mil+ in 1st sales is harder took into account the musical climate. I don't they meant that if you were to literally go back in time and release Taylor's album that she would be guaranteed more, since of course the musical climate would affect her. What they were referring to is the sales climate/conditions. Albums back then had advantages that Taylor does not.

First, there was no illegal downloading so if you wanted an album you had to buy it. Second, many record labels would not make certain singles available for separate purchase. So even if you just wanted a single, you had to buy the album. That isn't the case today. Taylor has to deal w/ illegal downloading and has her sales split between album and singles sales due to itunes. These factors both take away from her potential numbers. Had the advantages that albums in the early 2000's had been present today, Taylor would likely (not guaranteed of course) have higher numbers.

Now let's turn the scenario around. What if back in 2000 N'Sync, BSB, etc. had to deal w/ large amount of illegal downloading and weren't able to make singles album-exclusive. Their numbers would likely go down since those factors take away from album sales.

Perhaps you guys were arguing different things?

Maybe people who bought the single only want the single. I am also curious about how complete my album affects the charts? Why should it count twice as both a single track download and an album track download?

I agree. That is strange to me as well although I certainly agree with the Complete My Album option being available. However, it should be noted that Itunes wouldn't let you complete Speak Now until this week. So all those fans who spent $5.16 on the singles prior to the release of the album then had to pay $13.99 on Itunes for the album (or find it elsewhere like I did). So effectively Itunes got a lot of Taylor fans to buy the album for $19.15 which is absolutely ridiculous.

[Push The Button]

I have never seen 16 pages of such inane chatter. Good lord.

[HolidayGuy]

For the "Complete My Album" feature on iTunes, in those weeks, does a single actually lose sales on Digital Songs when those who pre-ordered the album complete the album? back in 2005, a lot of tracks gained sales the week the album was released, but then over the years, they looked to lose sales more than gain in the week the album was released. I don't know if this has ever been addressed by an official source or anything.

[worldwide]

Since we are talking about iTunes... can I buy something from USA store even though I'm not from the USA and if so, does it count towards USA charts or country I'm in?

[Nicolexo]

Nov 2, 2010 12:15:35 GMT -5 worldwide said:

Since we are talking about iTunes... can I buy something from USA store even though I'm not from the USA and if so, does it count towards USA charts or country I'm in?

Pretty sure you can't buy things outside of your country's store.

[Taylor.]

Nov 2, 2010 12:17:38 GMT -5 Nicolexo said:

Nov 2, 2010 12:15:35 GMT -5 worldwide said:

Since we are talking about iTunes... can I buy something from USA store even though I'm not from the USA and if so, does it count towards USA charts or country I'm in?

Pretty sure you can't buy things outside of your country's store.

You can if you buy a gift card for the respective country's store. I bought a US gift card last time I was there and now I can make purchases on the US store.

[musicrocks]

music-mix.ew.com/2010/11/02/taylor-swift-million-sales/

Taylor Swift's amazing sales: Who else has sold a million in a week?

What do Lil Wayne, the Backstreet Boys, and Garth Brooks have in common? They’ve all released albums that sold over one million copies domestically in their respective first weeks on shelves. If industry projections are accurate, Taylor Swift is about to join that elite group thanks to Speak Now‘s spectacular debut week.

The instant-million club is a strange place. The very first member was Garth Brooks, whose Live Garth set sold 1.08 million copies back in 1998. At the time, no one had ever sold that many records in one sales frame. Swift’s victory this week brings things full circle in a couple of ways, then — not only is she the first country artist since Brooks to join the club, but she’s joining at a time when moving a million is similarly unheard of. In 1998 and 2010 alike, this is a rare accomplishment worth noting.

Things were different for a brief, wild period around the turn of the century. Brooks ushered in an era where pop stars routinely broke the million mark. It started in May 1999, when the Backstreet Boys‘ Millenium sold 1.13 million in a week, but the following year was the really crazy one. In March 2000, *NSYNC shattered the previous record with an astounding 2.42 million-copy opening week for No Strings Attached. (*NSYNC’s record still holds today, by the way.) Britney Spears joined the club that May by selling 1.32 million copies of Oops!…I Did It Again. Eminem followed suit in June with 1.76 million copies of The Marshall Mathers LP, the first rap album in this category. Limp Bizkit became the club’s first (and last) hard-rock members that October, selling just over 1 million copies of Chocolate Starfish & the Hot Dog Flavored Water. In November, BSB lapped everyone else, scoring a second instant-million badge for Black & Blue (1.6 million). Finally, the Beatles rounded out the busy year by selling 1.26 million copies of their compilation 1 during Christmas week.

The club’s membership rolls began quieting down after 2000. *NSYNC went for two in a row with July 2001′s Celebrity (1.88 million). Eminem did the same a year later with June 2002′s The Eminem Show (1.3 million). No new members appeared until February 2004, when Norah Jones sold just over a million copies of Feels Like Home. That March, Usher landed an R&B record by selling 1.1 million copies of Confessions in a week. Another year went by before 50 Cent‘s The Massacre moved 1.14 million units in March 2005. He was the last new member until June 2008, when Lil Wayne shifted almost exactly 1 million copies of Tha Carter III. And that was it until this week.

Swift’s entry into the instant-million club means more today than it might have 10 years ago. Many major artists this year have struggled to sell 500,000 copies in a week, let alone a million. As you can see from the list of previous million-sellers, Swift’s feat doesn’t necessarily guarantee her a long career in the future, but it’s undeniable proof of how important she is right now — and it’s fantastic news for a music industry that could really use some positive headlines.

[pnobelysk]

Nov 2, 2010 12:17:38 GMT -5 Nicolexo said:

Nov 2, 2010 12:15:35 GMT -5 worldwide said:

Since we are talking about iTunes... can I buy something from USA store even though I'm not from the USA and if so, does it count towards USA charts or country I'm in?

Pretty sure you can't buy things outside of your country's store.

i wish we could ive been trying to get miracle after dark remix by cascada for ages now but its only available in the uk and i cant even find a download for it


....

another topic does anyone know the 2nd week sales for the nsync album that opened with 2.4 mill

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Everyone start grabbing a chair. Is getting closer to that time.

[ListenToItTwice]

Nov 2, 2010 14:26:14 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Everyone start grabbing a chair. Is getting closer to that time.

I'm so excited... I'm trying to write an article for the school paper right now but this is just so much more important...

[slicknickshady]

Nov 2, 2010 10:48:35 GMT -5 jj99$ - - LeLe said:

We were talking about general sales, i dont see how Eminem's inclusion proves detrimental to the discussion at hand.

Co-Sign. Eminem has two of the Top 5 of all time in that catagory. So it's not like im including him for no reason. lol.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Nov 2, 2010 14:28:51 GMT -5 ListenToItTwice said:

Nov 2, 2010 14:26:14 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Everyone start grabbing a chair. Is getting closer to that time.

I'm so excited... I'm trying to write an article for the school paper right now but this is just so much more important...

lol..yeah, forget that paper