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Post by like2throw on Oct 28, 2010 20:45:06 GMT -5
A bit biased towards the USA But go Pulp and Air! Homogenic by Björk should be there too. Personally, I also prefer Michael Jackson in the 90s but I know he wasn't really critics' favourite any more then. Michael Jackson only had one studio album in the 90's though. Dangerous, though mostly got positive reviews and a personal favorite of mine, I think it k-kinda got lost in the shuffle of the grunge sound that came after it was released. He released history aswell in 1995.
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Post by dbt88 on Oct 28, 2010 20:48:19 GMT -5
Michael Jackson only had one studio album in the 90's though. Dangerous, though mostly got positive reviews and a personal favorite of mine, I think it k-kinda got lost in the shuffle of the grunge sound that came after it was released. He released history aswell in 1995. I've always thought it was a compilation.
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Post by like2throw on Oct 28, 2010 20:57:24 GMT -5
yea depends how you look at it. It was like greatest hits on one album and new songs on the second disk so that ones a tough call.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 28, 2010 22:04:39 GMT -5
the new songs were terrible tho. I still think of it as a GH.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 28, 2010 22:20:38 GMT -5
Themax, this was released last week and is considered a book (though not with hard binding or anything).
RS lists are better than a lot out there- like it or not, it's THE music publication in the USA. So many lists out there feature albums by a lot of non-mainstream Acts. Which is fine, but RS picks usually are known acts, but deserving of their citations.
MJ's Dangerous was not nearly as acclaimed as albums like Off the Wall and Thriller, so it's not a surprise that it didn't make this RS top 100. if it had, it may not be because of its merits (like this one end-of-decade list that had 'you Rock My World" in the top 100 tracks- had MJ not passed, I highly doubt that track would have featured).
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Post by dbt88 on Oct 28, 2010 22:34:31 GMT -5
Themax, this was released last week and is considered a book (though not with hard binding or anything). RS lists are better than a lot out there- like it or not, it's THE music publication in the USA. So many lists out there feature albums by a lot of non-mainstream Acts. Which is fine, but RS picks usually are known acts, but deserving of their citations. MJ's Dangerous was not nearly as acclaimed as albums like Off the Wall and Thriller, so it's not a surprise that it didn't make this RS top 100. if it had, it may not be because of its merits (like this one end-of-decade list that had 'you Rock My World" in the top 100 tracks- had MJ not passed, I highly doubt that track would have featured). I agree. Dangerous also never ended up on RS 500 Best albums unlike his 3 previous studio albums (OTW, Thriller and Bad). Forgot to include that on my comment
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Post by BEYOND. on Oct 28, 2010 23:51:05 GMT -5
What was the commentary for TLC's CrazySexyCool. Their best album, so smooth
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 29, 2010 3:33:52 GMT -5
Its really astonishing how acclaimed Mellon Collie was and how many copies its sold, considering how "out there" Billy Corgans voice is. I think this is a case of the music being so great it masks the s**tty vocals. I hate Billy Corgan and I hate what the Smashing Pumpkins are without James Iha, Darcy, and Chamberlin. It's not the pumpkins to me anymore. Corgan is just using the pumpkins name cause his one solo album flopped. But "Siamese Dream" and "Mellon Collie" are great albums.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 29, 2010 8:37:57 GMT -5
True, LockHeart- though as noted, the RS 500 also included input from music acts and journalists- so it wasn't just RS staff that didn't find Dangerous overwhelming. It has some good moments, but the 90s definitely were not comparable to his late 70s/80s output.
ShadowFeet- here you are:
43. TLC, CrazySexyCool
Left Eye, Chilli and T-Boz looked like a one-shot when they first emerged from the nascent Atlanta with 1992's 'Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg." But CrazySexyCool was a real shocker, packed bumper to bumper with great songs, sassy vocals and voluptuous beats for burning down the house. "Creep" celebrates the kicks of illicit lust on the down low, "Waterfalls" digs deep into Memphis soul and "If I Was Your Girlfriend" does Prince better than The Artist has all decade. The showstopper: "Red Light Special," an impossibly steamy make-out ballad that undresses and caresses everyone with ears to hear it. CrazySexyCool established TLC as pop pros who could do it all, combining the body slam of hip-hop and the giddy uplift of a jump-rope rhyme without breaking a nail.
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Post by applechic on Oct 29, 2010 8:51:54 GMT -5
Greatest albums of the 90s and no MJ or Mariah? Smh.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 29, 2010 9:53:27 GMT -5
^As stated, MJ's 90s output wasn't as well-regarded as his earlier work, and Mimi Carey has never been an overall critical favorite, Rolling Stone or otherwise.
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Post by Tea-why on Oct 29, 2010 10:11:25 GMT -5
I'm glad to see Janet on there, but I'm surprised it wasn't "The Velvet Rope" on this list and "janet." instead. But Rolling Stone did give "janet." a better review than "The Velvet Rope", so I guess it makes sense.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 29, 2010 12:31:13 GMT -5
^And, as noted, RS included the janet. album on its Esssential Recordings of the 90s feature (in the R&B category), and not Velvet Rope.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 29, 2010 13:24:23 GMT -5
Michael Jackson had 2.5 studio albums:
Dangerous HIStory Continues Blood on the Dance Floor: HIStory in the Mix (5 new songs)
Those five new songs on Blood.. are brilliant. Check them out.
I'd say the best one of those is HIStory though.
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Post by renfield75 on Oct 29, 2010 16:43:03 GMT -5
Its really astonishing how acclaimed Mellon Collie was and how many copies its sold, considering how "out there" Billy Corgans voice is. I think this is a case of the music being so great it masks the s**tty vocals. I hate Billy Corgan and I hate what the Smashing Pumpkins are without James Iha, Darcy, and Chamberlin. It's not the pumpkins to me anymore. Corgan is just using the pumpkins name cause his one solo album flopped. But "Siamese Dream" and "Mellon Collie" are great albums. It was his name to use...I don't think people realize how much Corgan did on those earlier albums. They were almost solo albums as well, except for Chamberlin's powerful drumming. Iha and D'Arcy often just duplicated parts which Corgan had already laid down on the track for them. They were talented to be sure, but they were never the driving creative force of that band. The Pumpkins always were and always will be Billy Corgan. As for why the music sounded different after they left? Well, most artists see some sort of change in their sound over the course of 20 years. It was just a natural progression, and as the 90s faded into the rear view Billy jumped deeper into the 70s prog rock he always dabbled in.
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Post by renfield75 on Oct 29, 2010 16:47:06 GMT -5
A bit biased towards the USA Well, Rolling Stone is a US based magazine. When NME releases these lists and Oasis has 3 of the top 5 albums of all time I don't say 'Well, that's a bit biased towards the UK." An American magazine aimed towards American readers will include a lot of albums popular in America on its list.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 29, 2010 18:41:25 GMT -5
^As stated, MJ's 90s output wasn't as well-regarded as his earlier work, and Mimi Carey has never been an overall critical favorite, Rolling Stone or otherwise. what does the Ray Of Light one say?
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Post by grandelf on Oct 30, 2010 1:13:06 GMT -5
How exactly is this list any different than any forum member creating their top 100?
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Post by Dammn Baby on Oct 30, 2010 1:56:50 GMT -5
^And, as noted, RS included the janet. album on its Esssential Recordings of the 90s feature (in the R&B category), and not Velvet Rope. Both should be on there ;)
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Post by slicknickshady on Oct 30, 2010 2:00:45 GMT -5
I hate Billy Corgan and I hate what the Smashing Pumpkins are without James Iha, Darcy, and Chamberlin. It's not the pumpkins to me anymore. Corgan is just using the pumpkins name cause his one solo album flopped. But "Siamese Dream" and "Mellon Collie" are great albums. It was his name to use...I don't think people realize how much Corgan did on those earlier albums. They were almost solo albums as well, except for Chamberlin's powerful drumming. Iha and D'Arcy often just duplicated parts which Corgan had already laid down on the track for them. They were talented to be sure, but they were never the driving creative force of that band. The Pumpkins always were and always will be Billy Corgan. As for why the music sounded different after they left? Well, most artists see some sort of change in their sound over the course of 20 years. It was just a natural progression, and as the 90s faded into the rear view Billy jumped deeper into the 70s prog rock he always dabbled in. I would give this more credence if he didnt put a solo album out that flopped and then went back to using the pumpkins name. I didnt even love all the work with Darcy and Iha. But that's not the point. The pumpkins had some great albums. But i hate the pumpkin apoligists who always go towards "billy did everything" if he did. Darcy and Iha wouldnt have been in the band.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 30, 2010 2:17:07 GMT -5
How exactly is this list any different than any forum member creating their top 100? a diva is not #1.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Oct 30, 2010 3:29:46 GMT -5
As with all lists of this nature, it is virtually impossible to please each and every person here and everywhere. It's just 100 albums. There are plenty of albums that will be omitted. PLENTY.
For the most part, I find the list to be really interesting, but not that exciting. I own only a handful of the albums on the list. I am familiar with many of them though.
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Post by pnobelysk on Oct 30, 2010 8:21:15 GMT -5
How exactly is this list any different than any forum member creating their top 100? a diva is not #1. baby one more time wouldve been on the list
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 30, 2010 9:31:10 GMT -5
spree, the Ray of Light commentary is peculiar, as it's described as a "disco" album. It's full of beats, but aside from maybe four tracks, it's not exactly a dance/disco record.
28. Madonna, Ray of Light On 'Ray of Light,' Madonna finally gets back into the groove, rocking the dance beats that made her a star in the first place, for her most shamelessly disco album since You Can Dance. Madonna's rhythm resurrection sounds like some kind of spiritual transformation, and since it accompanied her discovery of yoga and motherhood, it probably was. Producer William Orbit plugs in the techno gadgets, but it's Madonna's passion that makes the loudest bag, on powerhouse tracks like "Drowned World/Substitute For Love" and "Little Star." And in the title smash, Madonna throws herself into a tantrum on the global dance floor as if she'd never been away.
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Post by grandelf on Oct 30, 2010 11:00:36 GMT -5
^That just proves how irrelevant Rolling Stone is. Their original ROL review had stuff like this: For all its erratic brilliance, Ray of Light has plenty of sluggish moments. [...]
Madonna spends too much of the album slowing down the tempo in her quest for God, but God probably prefers "Into the Groove," just like the rest of us.
Ray of Light isn't quite the triumphant musical comeback her fans were praying novenas for. She hasn't regained her genius for the crass, linear pop hook, and the Eighties Madonna of high-energy beats and wise-ass bravado is gone forever — that show is over, say goodbye.www.rollingstone.com/music/reviews/album/7480/37479
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Post by Caviar on Oct 30, 2010 11:49:56 GMT -5
Can someone post the commentary for "My Life" and "One In A Million"?
I'm suprised no one is surprised Aaliyah made the list. She was considered an Urban stable during 1996 but that album was definitely one of the best R&B albums of the 90s. That album alone put Timbaland/Missy on the map.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 30, 2010 12:06:10 GMT -5
grandelf, RS is hardly irrelevant. Amidst those comments, the RS rating still was 4 stars (out of 5).
That's just one reason why I said that initial reviews really don't mean much- it's the year-end features, all-time features, etc. that hold more credence.
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Post by grandelf on Oct 31, 2010 1:36:57 GMT -5
grandelf, RS is hardly irrelevant. Amidst those comments, the RS rating still was 4 stars (out of 5). That's just one reason why I said that initial reviews really don't mean much- it's the year-end features, all-time features, etc. that hold more credence. They couldn't even check their own initial review for the book to remember it was nearly the opposite of a 'You Can Dance'. That would be quite equal to irrelevance in my book. Cases like this should be a proof nobody pays attention at critics and their lists in the internet era.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 31, 2010 6:07:19 GMT -5
I'm suprised no one is surprised Aaliyah made the list. She was considered an Urban stable during 1996 but that album was definitely one of the best R&B albums of the 90s. That album alone put Timbaland/Missy on the map. That is why we're not surprised ;)
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Post by Ke$ha's Left Tittie on Oct 31, 2010 6:46:19 GMT -5
At the end of the day, a critic is just a person in a privileged position of giving his/her opinion.
I'll take the commercial success of a project any day as a true barometer of it's success.
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