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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2010 23:28:25 GMT -5
^true, but how can any new artist be "major" when the other "major" artists are getting played repeatedly? That's the idea. And i'm talking Gaga, Katy, Kesha, Rihanna, etc...not just one person.
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Post by kingofpain on Nov 4, 2010 23:31:37 GMT -5
Well when is ANY act that releases their first single a major act? Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, etc are major acts like Rihanna. However I don't recall any of their labels shipping three or more singles to radio at once and promoting them at the same time. Radio only played one of their singles per chart period.
I used artists like Florence & The Machine as an act who suffer from blatant payola techniques because they can barely get ONE single played on the radio while Rihanna gets three. FATM are just one of MANY artists, major acts or acts who are trying to get established, who suffer at the hands of dirty radio PDs who will only play for pay.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 4, 2010 23:38:15 GMT -5
^true, but how can any new artist be "major" when the other "major" artists are getting played repeatedly? That's the idea. And i'm talking Gaga, Katy, Kesha, Rihanna, etc...not just one person. I know you're referring to all of them, but well... being a major act is much more than just being talented or having a hit song on iTunes. You need people to relate to the image and the music and what the artist communicates through it. That's part of the reason why all of these girls are as important as they are. They've connected with a generation, just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney and Madge did before. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2010 23:44:10 GMT -5
^true, but how can any new artist be "major" when the other "major" artists are getting played repeatedly? That's the idea. And i'm talking Gaga, Katy, Kesha, Rihanna, etc...not just one person. I know you're referring to all of them, but well... being a major act is much more than just being talented or having a hit song on iTunes. You need people to relate to the image and the music and what the artist communicates through it. That's part of the reason why all of these girls are as important as they are. They've connected with a generation, just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney and Madge did before. yea, i agree with that. There was a time when only Janet and Mariah and Madonna dominated radio. This is the new breed. I'm still not convinced Gaga is the new Madonna tho, i think Katy Perry takes that title for now...musically. Not talking about image or impact or any of those deep things. I'm talking about mainstream "shaky-groovy" songs. |
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 4, 2010 23:44:22 GMT -5
Well when is ANY act that releases their first single a major act? Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, etc are major acts like Rihanna. However I don't recall any of their labels shipping three or more singles to radio at once and promoting them at the same time. Radio only played one of their singles per chart period. I used artists like Florence & The Machine as an act who suffer from blatant payola techniques because they can barely get ONE single played on the radio while Rihanna gets three. FATM are just one of MANY artists, major acts or acts who are trying to get established, who suffer at the hands of dirty radio PDs who will only play for pay. An act like FATM just does not fit with what the current trends are. They had a hit song, but that does not necessarily mean that they connected with the American audience. And "changing the trends" is far more complex than just radio DJs playing different artists/music genres. It happens when all the variables align. That's also why artists who do not evolve end up flopping. The trends change, and if you want to be succesful as in being a major act in mainstream music, you have to somewhat follow what's hot atm. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2010 23:46:37 GMT -5
Well when is ANY act that releases their first single a major act? Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, etc are major acts like Rihanna. However I don't recall any of their labels shipping three or more singles to radio at once and promoting them at the same time. Radio only played one of their singles per chart period. I used artists like Florence & The Machine as an act who suffer from blatant payola techniques because they can barely get ONE single played on the radio while Rihanna gets three. FATM are just one of MANY artists, major acts or acts who are trying to get established, who suffer at the hands of dirty radio PDs who will only play for pay. An act like FATM just does not fit with what the current trends are. They had a hit song, but that does not necessarily mean that they connected with the American audience. And "changing the trends" is far more complex than just radio DJs playing different artists/music genres. It happens when all the variables align. That's also why artists who do not evolve end up flopping. The trends change, and if you want to be succesful as in being a major act in mainstream music, you have to somewhat follow what's hot atm. kinda like how Nickelback and Daughtry are kinda flopping. They aren't evolving. |
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 4, 2010 23:48:32 GMT -5
And kinda like how radio refused to play "Russian Roulette" even tho it was the first single of the follow-up to one of the most successful pop albums of the last 5 years.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 4, 2010 23:49:16 GMT -5
how come?
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Post by kingofpain on Nov 5, 2010 0:04:17 GMT -5
I agree with everything both of you guys said, but how do you feel about radio PD's promoting three singles from the one artist at once? Do you think it's fair?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 5, 2010 0:09:48 GMT -5
of course it's not fair. And i'm glad my current fav is NOT releasing more than one at once. It makes each release more of an "event" than rather just an album seller.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 5, 2010 0:13:50 GMT -5
Well, it's actually only 2 singles, since LTWYL PtII is not one and probably just got some curiosity spins.
OG is certainly close to peaking. On Pop, OG is still having better updates than WMN, but the latter is blowing up on Rhythmic (where OG has started to slow down) and Urban, where OG was not a hit.
So, if you take a look at the overall updates yeah, it might be seen as "unfair" (tho that's very subjective, I guess), but actually, all of the above needs to be taken into consideration.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 5, 2010 0:16:27 GMT -5
of course it's not fair. And i'm glad my current fav is NOT releasing more than one at once. It makes each release more of an "event" than rather just an album seller. It's not like they released two singles simultaneously -OG was released almost two months ago ??? -, which has been done before to cater to different formats. And I still think that even that scenario is a "fair" one. Record companies still need to pay their bills at the end of the day, and those strategies usually help album sales. |
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Post by musicrocks on Nov 5, 2010 0:18:33 GMT -5
The label isn't promoting three singles, radio just picked up Love The Way You Lie Pt II. Releasing WMN while OG is currently in play is pretty common. Yea, it's a little greedy but that's how radio is at the moment.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 5, 2010 0:21:05 GMT -5
yea, it's a Bad Romance/Telephone scenario. Or a Paparazzi/Bad Romance scenario, lol.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 5, 2010 0:22:34 GMT -5
In the end, if the song is hot it will get played. hence why WMN got such a good reception to begin with.
Again, Rih herself proved with Russian Roulette that name alone, or payola -for some of you guys- is not enough. Evidence is there. Take it or keep going by your assumptions.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 5, 2010 0:27:22 GMT -5
she still could be faced with major over-saturation like Gaga has been. Not always a win-win situation in the long run.
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Post by nighttime on Nov 5, 2010 1:30:56 GMT -5
I don't get this whole "fair" argument. Getting high airplay isn't supposed to be equally shared. Having a hit song or album isn't supposed to be equally shared. And there's no limit to how much or many they should have.
Radio plays what their audience wants to hear. For example - Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce - all artists who have had several songs climbing simultaneously - all have a huge profiles in the industry, there's no payola necessary with any of these girls to achieve what they do at this point.
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Post by Rεvôlvεr† on Nov 5, 2010 2:52:04 GMT -5
What's not fair about it? Radio picks it up on their own. It's not as if the label is pushing LTWYLPII.
If you're hot at the moment and radio picks up random material, that's a good thing.
Just like when GaGa's 'Eh, Eh, and 'Speechless' got in the 80's on Pop Radio.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 9:12:33 GMT -5
^true, but how can any new artist be "major" when the other "major" artists are getting played repeatedly? That's the idea. And i'm talking Gaga, Katy, Kesha, Rihanna, etc...not just one person. I know you're referring to all of them, but well... being a major act is much more than just being talented or having a hit song on iTunes. You need people to relate to the image and the music and what the artist communicates through it. That's part of the reason why all of these girls are as important as they are. They've connected with a generation, just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney and Madge did before. Since when does being talented have anything to do with being a major act? Especially these days. |
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 5, 2010 9:14:44 GMT -5
Over-saturation? Gaga? LOL Please! The public is craving for her new album. Watch it break all sorts of records once it is released.
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Post by felipe on Nov 5, 2010 9:27:38 GMT -5
I agree with everything both of you guys said, but how do you feel about radio PD's promoting three singles from the one artist at once? Do you think it's fair? I don't. Radio will only play 3 songs by the same artists if there is enough interest in that artist. |
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Post by badrobot on Nov 5, 2010 10:16:27 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that often any one radio station may only be playing one of the artist's promoted songs heavily. Radio airplay is not distributed equally to every station.
This is also why you frequently see different songs promoted to different formats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 13:00:23 GMT -5
What's not fair about it? Radio picks it up on their own. It's not as if the label is pushing LTWYLPII. If you're hot at the moment and radio picks up random material, that's a good thing. Just like when GaGa's 'Eh, Eh, and 'Speechless' got in the 80's on Pop Radio. Seriously. People only complain when their favorites are not succeeding on that level and/or they dont like the artists who are. People are into Rihanna right now. Her songs are exploding on itunes. Same for Ke$ha and Gaga. People act like no one wants to hear them. People are downloading their songs in droves before they are even exploding at radio |
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Post by Caviar on Nov 5, 2010 15:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 15:59:16 GMT -5
I think if songs like "Dog Days Are Over" had over 100m AIs people would also have been downloading it. That's the point of radio exposure. "Only Girl" would have slided down on iTunes if it wasn't for radio.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2010 16:01:21 GMT -5
I don't get this whole "fair" argument. Getting high airplay isn't supposed to be equally shared. Having a hit song or album isn't supposed to be equally shared. And there's no limit to how much or many they should have. Radio plays what their audience wants to hear. For example - Rihanna, Lady Gaga, and Beyonce - all artists who have had several songs climbing simultaneously - all have a huge profiles in the industry, there's no payola necessary with any of these girls to achieve what they do at this point. Exactly. |
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Post by slw84 on Nov 5, 2010 17:27:50 GMT -5
I know you're referring to all of them, but well... being a major act is much more than just being talented or having a hit song on iTunes. You need people to relate to the image and the music and what the artist communicates through it. That's part of the reason why all of these girls are as important as they are. They've connected with a generation, just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney and Madge did before. yea, i agree with that. There was a time when only Janet and Mariah and Madonna dominated radio. This is the new breed. I'm still not convinced Gaga is the new Madonna tho, i think Katy Perry takes that title for now...musically. Not talking about image or impact or any of those deep things. I'm talking about mainstream "shaky-groovy" songs. No one is the new Madonna. But yeah the new breed is currently Riri, Beyonce, Taylor, Katy, Gaga, Pink, Britney (all depending on her next era-really at a crossroads) and that's about it. Kesha needs two more albums for me to consider her anything. |
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Post by slw84 on Nov 5, 2010 17:29:33 GMT -5
Over-saturation? Gaga? LOL Please! The public is craving for her new album. Watch it break all sorts of records once it is released. If she breaks Britney's first week sales record... I will cut a b!tch! ;) |
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