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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 11, 2010 15:45:46 GMT -5
I think it peaked @ #2 or #3. Can't remember.
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Post by Gravity. on Nov 11, 2010 19:25:08 GMT -5
Nope. Peaked at #2. The two collaborations with Rihanna that went to #1 are "Live Your Life" and "Love the Way You Lie."
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 11, 2010 19:36:06 GMT -5
Unless she wrote or produced her featured singles, I don't consider them her #1 singles. 6 were credited to her as a sole performer. So I'll go with 6. That's stupid. If her name is on the record it's hers. Besides that fact the hook is the most important part of a song.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Nov 11, 2010 19:39:21 GMT -5
Unless she wrote or produced her featured singles, I don't consider them her #1 singles. 6 were credited to her as a sole performer. So I'll go with 6. That's stupid. If her name is on the record it's hers. Besides that fact the hook is the most important part of a song. Her name is on it as a feature though, NOT the primary artist. Or as the person you quoted said, producer or songwriter. You can say it only hit number 1 because of her and whether it's true or not, afterall it's just random speculation, the song wasn't released by her as the primary artist.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 11, 2010 19:47:02 GMT -5
That's stupid. If her name is on the record it's hers. Besides that fact the hook is the most important part of a song. Her name is on it as a feature though, NOT the primary artist. Or as the person you quoted said, producer or songwriter. You can say it only hit number 1 because of her and whether it's true or not, afterall it's just random speculation, the song wasn't released by her as the primary artist. It's still technically one of her #1 songs. She's featured on the track. Her vocals are on the song. She's given credit for being a part of the song in one way or another. It doesn't matter if she's not the main artist or if she had any creative involvement with the song. She sang a hook or hook+bridge. It's not only their song, but hers too. It's not only their #1, but hers too. I've never seen people question the validity of other featured #1s.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 11, 2010 19:50:32 GMT -5
Clearly there's no consensus here. But it is clear that Rihanna has 6 solo #1's and has been credited on 8 #1's, so however you want to call it. I don't buy the argument that Rihanna is the main reason "Live Your Life" and "Love the Way You Lie" went to #1 are because of Rihanna for a few reasons:
1) T.I. and Eminem both came off #1 singles when those songs were released 2) Rihanna did not write or produce the songs 3) There are plenty of singers who could have been featured on those songs instead of Rihanna and they probably still would have gone to #1
Obviously that doesn't take away the fact that there are 8 #1's credited to Rihanna and that she did play some part in their success, but to say those songs only went to #1 because of Rihanna, or even mostly because of Rihanna, is not something you can claim.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 11, 2010 19:52:28 GMT -5
Clearly there's no consensus here. But it is clear that Rihanna has 6 solo #1's and has been credited on 8 #1's, so however you want to call it. I don't buy the argument that Rihanna is the main reason "Live Your Life" and "Love the Way You Lie" went to #1 are because of Rihanna for a few reasons: 1) T.I. and Eminem both came off #1 singles when those songs were released 2) Rihanna did not write or produce the songs 3) There are plenty of singers who could have been featured on those songs instead of Rihanna and they probably still would have gone to #1 Obviously that doesn't take away the fact that there are 8 #1's credited to Rihanna and that she did play some part in their success, but to say those songs only went to #1 because of Rihanna, or even mostly because of Rihanna, is not something you can claim. +1 The only thing they can claim is that because she sang the hook, which is often the catchiest, selling-point of a song, she is the reason why it hit the apex. Even that is a weak argument though, IMO.
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Post by LoveKiller on Nov 11, 2010 19:53:58 GMT -5
My issue with saying that "it depends on their prominence on the track" is who determines their prominence? Is that not a matter of opinion? If it's your song it's your song. If it's not it's not. It's as simple as that. As long as the word 'featuring' is between you and the main artist, it's not your #1. Are we going to say Enya had a #1 with "I Don't Wanna Know" because she supplied the hook and that is the most memorable part of the song? NO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 20:39:13 GMT -5
My issue with saying that "it depends on their prominence on the track" is who determines their prominence? Is that not a matter of opinion? If it's your song it's your song. If it's not it's not. It's as simple as that. As long as the word 'featuring' is between you and the main artist, it's not your #1. Are we going to say Enya had a #1 with "I Don't Wanna Know" because she supplied the hook and that is the most memorable part of the song? NO. First of all that wasnt a #1 hit and second of all Enyas name wasnt featured on the credits. It doesnt matter if the artist sings two words on the song. If they are listed on the credit it counts as a #1 to their credit. This is not subjective. Its a fact
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Post by nighttime on Nov 11, 2010 21:05:33 GMT -5
Billboard counts them as 8, so it's not up for debate how much she has.
However, I can see why someone might feel that some feature credits are silly but if we look at how much time Rihanna is on both tracks (a couple seconds equal to the lead), sings the hook, and that the song with rihanna is quite a bigger hit than the lead's non-rihanna prior single...it's just grasping to deny her credit.
btw I saw someone mention RTT, which actually didn't hit #1, but she's actually labeled as the lead artist on that song with Jay & Kanye.
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 11, 2010 21:10:01 GMT -5
Enyas name wasnt featured on the credits Billboard listed her too, although it was P. Diddy & Enya as opposed to Enya & P. Diddy there.
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Post by kpasa on Nov 11, 2010 21:13:12 GMT -5
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Post by Forever ♥ Young on Nov 11, 2010 21:21:59 GMT -5
Like it or Not she has 8 #1 Singles. If she was on a track that hit #1 on the charts then she earn it! It shouldn't matter if it was Rihanna featuring ____ or ___featuring Rihanna.
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Post by Youknowit on Nov 11, 2010 21:40:25 GMT -5
Clearly there's no consensus here. But it is clear that Rihanna has 6 solo #1's and has been credited on 8 #1's, so however you want to call it. I don't buy the argument that Rihanna is the main reason "Live Your Life" and "Love the Way You Lie" went to #1 are because of Rihanna for a few reasons: 1) T.I. and Eminem both came off #1 singles when those songs were released 2) Rihanna did not write or produce the songs 3) There are plenty of singers who could have been featured on those songs instead of Rihanna and they probably still would have gone to #1 Obviously that doesn't take away the fact that there are 8 #1's credited to Rihanna and that she did play some part in their success, but to say those songs only went to #1 because of Rihanna, or even mostly because of Rihanna, is not something you can claim. +1
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Post by musicissalvation on Nov 11, 2010 21:42:16 GMT -5
It depends on how prominant they were on the track. In this case, Rihanna was a huge factor in the success of both of her features. yes, because most of the time she gets more track time than the actual artist
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Nov 11, 2010 21:47:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with this. Eminem and T.I.'s careers were in the pits and NEEDED Rihanna to resurrect them for success. He has name credit on it. That's the bottom line. In Eminem's case he didn't release a top 20 radio hit for quite some time until LTWYL came out....get into that! *takes a bow* Now the song with Lil' Wayne is struggling to gain acceptance on the radio. She can have her name engraved on, I could care less. Eminem is obviously a bigger than name than Rihanna stateside, plus his last album produced a #1 and another top ten. He didn't need her. Additionally, TI had similar success. TI vs TIP had a top ten hit and went platinum. His two singles prior to "Live Your Life" were both top 5 hits. He didn't need her either for success. Rihanna 's team worked with artists who were/are currently bigger names than her. If you think TI or Eminem needed Rihanna, look at the sales of TI vs TIP and Recovery. Then look at Rated F. I think we have our answer. Thanks for playing hun.
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Post by kpasa on Nov 11, 2010 21:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by Live Your Life on Nov 11, 2010 21:57:11 GMT -5
I guess I really don't see how this is up for debate. Billboard says she has 8....so she has 8. It's not like we can change their rule.
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Post by LoveKiller on Nov 11, 2010 22:48:18 GMT -5
My issue with saying that "it depends on their prominence on the track" is who determines their prominence? Is that not a matter of opinion? If it's your song it's your song. If it's not it's not. It's as simple as that. As long as the word 'featuring' is between you and the main artist, it's not your #1. Are we going to say Enya had a #1 with "I Don't Wanna Know" because she supplied the hook and that is the most memorable part of the song? NO. First of all that wasnt a #1 hit and second of all Enyas name wasnt featured on the credits. It doesnt matter if the artist sings two words on the song. If they are listed on the credit it counts as a #1 to their credit. This is not subjective. Its a fact I think you get the point I'm trying to make...and it obviously isn't a fact judging by the various OPINIONS in this thread. Just because Billboard says she has eight doesn't mean she deserves that title, which is what we're debating in this thread.
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 12, 2010 3:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 12, 2010 12:29:52 GMT -5
He has name credit on it. That's the bottom line. In Eminem's case he didn't release a top 20 radio hit for quite some time until LTWYL came out....get into that! *takes a bow* Now the song with Lil' Wayne is struggling to gain acceptance on the radio. She can have her name engraved on, I could care less. Eminem is obviously a bigger than name than Rihanna stateside, plus his last album produced a #1 and another top ten. He didn't need her. Additionally, TI had similar success. TI vs TIP had a top ten hit and went platinum. His two singles prior to "Live Your Life" were both top 5 hits. He didn't need her either for success. Rihanna 's team worked with artists who were/are currently bigger names than her. If you think TI or Eminem needed Rihanna, look at the sales of TI vs TIP and Recovery. Then look at Rated F. I think we have our answer. Thanks for playing hun.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 16:15:05 GMT -5
First of all that wasnt a #1 hit and second of all Enyas name wasnt featured on the credits. It doesnt matter if the artist sings two words on the song. If they are listed on the credit it counts as a #1 to their credit. This is not subjective. Its a fact I think you get the point I'm trying to make...and it obviously isn't a fact judging by the various OPINIONS in this thread. Just because Billboard says she has eight doesn't mean she deserves that title, which is what we're debating in this thread. Whether or not you think she deserves 8 #1s is irrelevant. She has them. The FACT that she has 8 #1s is not up for debate. Billboard decides how many #1s she has.
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Post by worldwide on Nov 12, 2010 18:19:55 GMT -5
So much jealousy here. Not really a fan of hers but she has 8 #1's. That's a fact.
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Post by dbt88 on Nov 12, 2010 18:23:15 GMT -5
It depends on how prominant they were on the track. In this case, Rihanna was a huge factor in the success of both of her features. yes, because most of the time she gets more track time than the actual artist Except on Break It Off
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Post by K Newman on Nov 12, 2010 22:29:52 GMT -5
This sort of reminds me of how some Whitney fans count Waiting To Exhale in her album totals.
Yes Rihanna made those songs what they are, but it just feels like cheating to include them.
Can we just agree on taking the average and say she has 7 #1s?
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 13, 2010 2:45:25 GMT -5
So much jealousy here. Not really a fan of hers but she has 8 #1's. That's a fact. Co Sign. I like Rih but am not a fan by any stretch.
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Post by California Cheers on Nov 13, 2010 12:27:28 GMT -5
This sort of reminds me of how some Whitney fans count Waiting To Exhale in her album totals. Yes Rihanna made those songs what they are, but it just feels like cheating to include them. Can we just agree on taking the average and say she has 7 #1s? waiting to exhale is a soundtrack of various artists and is NOT credited to whitney so that comparison with Rihanna #1's is not valid at all
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Post by Rurry on Nov 13, 2010 12:36:12 GMT -5
I don't consider Live Your Life or Love the Way You Lie her #1s, so 6. I''ve never been a fan of the idea of crediting songs you were featured on as *your* #1. It's not just with Rihanna, with anyone. Saying she has 6 solo #1s and 8 including features seems like a good compromise.
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Post by dbt88 on Nov 13, 2010 13:41:37 GMT -5
I don't consider Live Your Life or Love the Way You Lie her #1s, so 6. I''ve never been a fan of the idea of crediting songs you were featured on as *your* #1. It's not just with Rihanna, with anyone. Saying she has 6 solo #1s and 8 including features seems like a good compromise. +1
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Nov 13, 2010 14:05:14 GMT -5
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