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Post by lugus15 on Dec 3, 2010 19:56:48 GMT -5
Is pretty much a given that Firework will be #1 this week.....
.... and I find it particularly interesting (and touching) that the three songs calling for acceptance, inner strength and whatnots all made it to #1. Is really touching that all three songs (WRWWR, RYG and Firework) had the struggles the gay community faces every day in mind.
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Post by fridayteenage on Dec 3, 2010 20:20:37 GMT -5
Exploitative of the current climate while not really sending out a meaningful message, sure. I feel disgusted by the manipulation. It's like what Rich on FourFour said: ""We R Who We R" is a callous response to teen desperation, if it is in fact one at all (and I think we all know that it isn't). You hear about suicides and you think, "We'll be forever young," really? Is she saying that the ultimate in "going hard" is going so hard that you die? I know that young people sometimes equate maudlin with cool, but I seriously doubt that it is those dead gay kids are the ones who are making the hipsters she sings about fall in love. Seriously, what is this woman talking about? Actually I know the answer to that: nothing as usual. Except this time she's pretending like it's something.
Ke$ha has no business talking about queer people. She doesn't seem to know the difference between drag queens and transgender people (whom she refers to as "trannies"). In her It Gets Better video, she assures those subjugated because of their sexuality and/or gender identity, "However you are choosing to live is beautiful." In the interest of fairness, I'm willing to concede that perhaps she has no other choice than to be ignorant. However, no matter where it's coming from, the fact is that she is combating ignorance with ignorance. She makes me long for the days when, "I am not a role model," was sufficient. I'll take apathy over exploiting the cause du jour for the sake of marketing any day. That is some cancerous s**t right there.
Not that such exploitation is new to pop culture. Obviously, this is how the game works: the best gift a celebrity can give herself is one that appears to be given to others."
Plus the songs themselves are just generic diva songs.
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Post by lugus15 on Dec 3, 2010 20:27:58 GMT -5
^ I get your point, but one can't be so callous.
If, as you say, a stupid diva's exploitative song CAN bring a change of heart in a young person regarding gay rights, then I'll take that as something good.
PS: These three songs aren't the first, nor they will be the last, to some say ¨exploit¨ others say ¨address¨ the ¨cause celebre¨of the day.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 20:29:41 GMT -5
More generic than let's say....Only Girl? I don't think so.
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Dec 3, 2010 21:21:16 GMT -5
I just wanna say that We R Who We R (and to a less extent Raise Your Glass and Firework) helped me come out to my mom. That might not mean much to anyone, but the song HAS done its purpose, whether it's exploitative or not
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Post by Oprah on Dec 3, 2010 21:29:38 GMT -5
I doubt any of these songs were written after the spate of gay bullying, so the idea that they're specifically for this cause doesn't really hold water. Especially when you consider how vague the lyrics are to each song; they could be applied to pretty much anyone who feels put down or not good enough. I don't really know how I feel about these three chicks tying their careers to this band wagon, it feels extremely shady.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 21:33:04 GMT -5
the gay scene in Firework seemed 100% genuine, imo. Tho i wish it were longer, it was awesome <3
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Post by Nadia on Dec 3, 2010 21:34:20 GMT -5
More generic than let's say....Only Girl? I don't think so.  you really don't like rihanna. |
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Post by Nadia on Dec 3, 2010 21:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 3, 2010 21:38:30 GMT -5
Exploitative of the current climate while not really sending out a meaningful message, sure. I feel disgusted by the manipulation. It's like what Rich on FourFour said: ""We R Who We R" is a callous response to teen desperation, if it is in fact one at all (and I think we all know that it isn't). You hear about suicides and you think, "We'll be forever young," really? Is she saying that the ultimate in "going hard" is going so hard that you die? I know that young people sometimes equate maudlin with cool, but I seriously doubt that it is those dead gay kids are the ones who are making the hipsters she sings about fall in love. Seriously, what is this woman talking about? Actually I know the answer to that: nothing as usual. Except this time she's pretending like it's something. Ke$ha has no business talking about queer people. She doesn't seem to know the difference between drag queens and transgender people (whom she refers to as "trannies"). In her It Gets Better video, she assures those subjugated because of their sexuality and/or gender identity, "However you are choosing to live is beautiful." In the interest of fairness, I'm willing to concede that perhaps she has no other choice than to be ignorant. However, no matter where it's coming from, the fact is that she is combating ignorance with ignorance. She makes me long for the days when, "I am not a role model," was sufficient. I'll take apathy over exploiting the cause du jour for the sake of marketing any day. That is some cancerous s**t right there. Not that such exploitation is new to pop culture. Obviously, this is how the game works: the best gift a celebrity can give herself is one that appears to be given to others." Plus the songs themselves are just generic diva songs. *Sigh* Ohhh god at this melodramatic cockamania! People write songs about events all of the time. Just because it doesn't live up to your standard doesn't mean that we should doubt what the creator is saying about their song. This isn't even the first time bullying has happened to the point where people were killed.  |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 3, 2010 21:39:22 GMT -5
I doubt any of these songs were written after the spate of gay bullying, so the idea that they're specifically for this cause doesn't really hold water. Especially when you consider how vague the lyrics are to each song; they could be applied to pretty much anyone who feels put down or not good enough. I don't really know how I feel about these three chicks tying their careers to this band wagon, it feels extremely shady. That's the point. It's not just gay people who were bullied. it's gay people who brought the issue into the national conversation. I don't know when they were written but clearly the songs were chosen for the message of acceptance. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 21:39:37 GMT -5
More generic than let's say....Only Girl? I don't think so. you really don't like rihanna. actually i do. I have a few of her songs on my ipod. It's her stans i can't stand, and they make me not like her. I don't blame Rihanna by any means. Songs like Disturbia and Rude Boy will forever live on my ipod. I'm just impartial to her new stuff. It's a step down for me. WMN > OG for me. I like WTC. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 21:40:51 GMT -5
Exploitative of the current climate while not really sending out a meaningful message, sure. I feel disgusted by the manipulation. It's like what Rich on FourFour said: ""We R Who We R" is a callous response to teen desperation, if it is in fact one at all (and I think we all know that it isn't). You hear about suicides and you think, "We'll be forever young," really? Is she saying that the ultimate in "going hard" is going so hard that you die? I know that young people sometimes equate maudlin with cool, but I seriously doubt that it is those dead gay kids are the ones who are making the hipsters she sings about fall in love. Seriously, what is this woman talking about? Actually I know the answer to that: nothing as usual. Except this time she's pretending like it's something. Ke$ha has no business talking about queer people. She doesn't seem to know the difference between drag queens and transgender people (whom she refers to as "trannies"). In her It Gets Better video, she assures those subjugated because of their sexuality and/or gender identity, "However you are choosing to live is beautiful." In the interest of fairness, I'm willing to concede that perhaps she has no other choice than to be ignorant. However, no matter where it's coming from, the fact is that she is combating ignorance with ignorance. She makes me long for the days when, "I am not a role model," was sufficient. I'll take apathy over exploiting the cause du jour for the sake of marketing any day. That is some cancerous s**t right there. Not that such exploitation is new to pop culture. Obviously, this is how the game works: the best gift a celebrity can give herself is one that appears to be given to others." Plus the songs themselves are just generic diva songs. Damn boo. #tellemhowufeel  They're all great simple pop records at heart and they all have a positive message which will mean a lot to certain people. Marketing or not, if it's something positive and makes people feel good about themselves that's all that matters. |
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Post by Nadia on Dec 3, 2010 21:42:04 GMT -5
you really don't like rihanna. actually i do. I have a few of her songs on my ipod. It's her stans i can't stand, and they make me not like her. I don't blame Rihanna by any means. Songs like Disturbia and Rude Boy will forever live on my ipod. I'm just impartial to her new stuff. It's a step down for me. WMN > OG for me. I like WTC. oh ok |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 21:43:27 GMT -5
^yea, it hit a huge brick wall. Oh well....it's a 90's track anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 21:45:46 GMT -5
Grenade has continued to grow on me these past few weeks  ! I'm hopeing he gets a turn @#1 (after Katy of course ). |
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Post by lugus15 on Dec 3, 2010 21:47:43 GMT -5
I just wanna say that We R Who We R (and to a less extent Raise Your Glass and Firework) helped me come out to my mom. That might not mean much to anyone, but the song HAS done its purpose, whether it's exploitative or not I rest my case..... |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 3, 2010 23:16:02 GMT -5
I just wanna say that We R Who We R (and to a less extent Raise Your Glass and Firework) helped me come out to my mom. That might not mean much to anyone, but the song HAS done its purpose, whether it's exploitative or not i came out a few weeks ago as my facebook status. i said: im gay.ive said im not,cuz i wasnt able 2 handle it.my tru friends will b cool wit me. ONE RULE dont tell ur parents,im not ready 4 my rents 2 know.respect that.dont bring it up with them.dont tell teachers!im the same,nothings changed.Like this status if u support me,if ur guna say shit,dont.School will be hard tmrow,...i hope support from u guys makes it better.thanks 2 the friends that knew b4 n supported me~Stephen this status since has gotten likes from 145 of my 363 friends and 53 comments of love from my friends. The music video for firework and the last few glee episodes helped me come out |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 23:21:17 GMT -5
I just wanna say that We R Who We R (and to a less extent Raise Your Glass and Firework) helped me come out to my mom. That might not mean much to anyone, but the song HAS done its purpose, whether it's exploitative or not i came out a few weeks ago as my facebook status. i said: im gay.ive said im not,cuz i wasnt able 2 handle it.my tru friends will b cool wit me. ONE RULE dont tell ur parents,im not ready 4 my rents 2 know.respect that.dont bring it up with them.dont tell teachers!im the same,nothings changed.Like this status if u support me,if ur guna say s**t,dont.School will be hard tmrow,...i hope support from u guys makes it better.thanks 2 the friends that knew b4 n supported me~Stephen this status since has gotten likes from 145 of my 363 friends and 53 comments of love from my friends. The music video for firework and the last few glee episodes helped me come out i think that's so inspirational and thank you for sharing that.  |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 3, 2010 23:30:41 GMT -5
i came out a few weeks ago as my facebook status. i said: im gay.ive said im not,cuz i wasnt able 2 handle it.my tru friends will b cool wit me. ONE RULE dont tell ur parents,im not ready 4 my rents 2 know.respect that.dont bring it up with them.dont tell teachers!im the same,nothings changed.Like this status if u support me,if ur guna say s**t,dont.School will be hard tmrow,...i hope support from u guys makes it better.thanks 2 the friends that knew b4 n supported me~Stephen this status since has gotten likes from 145 of my 363 friends and 53 comments of love from my friends. The music video for firework and the last few glee episodes helped me come out i think that's so inspirational and thank you for sharing that. of course. i cried the next morning in the shower. some people have been mean to me but as soon as one of my friends hears about it they stick up for me and flip out at the person, its been pretty good. ive lost a few friends, but ive gained some amazing ones. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 3, 2010 23:36:50 GMT -5
and gaining those amazing ones is the best part about it. Screw those other people! It will all turn out for the better. I came out when i was 23, and i thought i would lose a bunch of friends...turns out the exact opposite. They loved me even more. You'll see!
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Post by When I Ruled the World on Dec 4, 2010 0:14:59 GMT -5
enyasurvivor and pnobelysk,
You guys are awesome! Thank you for sharing your stories.
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Post by neverduplicated on Dec 4, 2010 8:07:29 GMT -5
From Orkut Billboard Charts forum:
1. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 121.417 (- 0.499) ▲
2. BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 120.299 (- 2.302) ▼
3. NELLY - Just A Dream: 100.489 (- 1.397)
4. PINK - Raise Your Glass: 95.705 (+ 0.347)
5. RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 92.684 (+ 1.619) ▲
6. FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 89.519 (- 1.700) ▼
7. USHER F/PITBULL - DJ Got Us Fallin’ In Love: 85.900 (- 1.989)
8. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 77.954 (- 1.048)
9. TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite: 72.368 (- 1.211)
10. KATY PERRY - Firework: 70.082 (+ 2.026) ▲
11. NEON TREES - Animal: 70.030 (- 1.090) ▼
12. KATY PERRY - Teenage Dream: 69.275 (- 0.897) ▼
13. KE$HA - We R Who We R: 63.359 (+ 1.163)
14. TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 51.673 (+ 0.498)
15. WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - No Hands: 50.226 (+ 0.062) ▲
16. CHRIS BROWN - Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall: 50.092 (- 0.832) ▼
17. MIKE POSNER - Please Don't Go: 49.926 (- 0.272) ▼
18. BRUNO MARS - Grenade: 49.262 (+ 1.378) ▲
19. RICK ROSS - Aston Martin Music f/Drake: 48.918 (+ 0.738)
20. RASCAL FLATTS - Why Wait: 48.256 (+ 0.035) ▼
LIL WAYNE - Right Above It f/Drake: 47.279 (- 0.232)
THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 46.861 (- 0.962)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - I Like It f/Pitbull: 46.130 (- 0.697)
ZAC BROWN BAND/A. JACKSON - As She's...: 46.051 (- 0.337)
NICKI MINAJ - Right Thru Me: 45.400 (+ 1.127)
BRAD PAISLEY - Anything Like Me: 45.341 (- 0.990)
MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 44.443 (- 0.854)
REBA - Turn On The Radio: 44.267 (+ 0.501)
WILLOW - Whip My Hair: 41.657 (- 0.185)
ONEREPUBLIC - Secrets: 40.201 (- 0.469)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Mama's Song: 38.488 (+ 0.183)
EDWARD MAYA - Stereo Love: 36.807 (- 0.224)
KENNY CHESNEY - Somewhere With You: 33.386 (+ 0.058)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Only Prettier: 33.324 (+ 0.094)
KEITH URBAN - Put You In A Song: 32.303 (+ 0.730)
BLACK EYED PEAS - The Time (The Dirty Bit): 32.269 (+ 1.023)
LLOYD - Lay It Down: 28.447 (+ 0.462)
DAVID GUETTA - Memories f/Kid Cudi: 28.349 (- 0.215)
CHRIS BROWN - Yeah 3x: 27.906 (+ 1.175)
PITBULL - Hey Baby (Drop It To The...: 22.859 (+ 0.252)
EMINEM - No Love f/Lil'Wayne: 22.654 (+ 0.229)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Hello World: 21.578 (- 0.014)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Back To December: 20.474 (+ 1.328)
PLAIN WHITE T'S - Rhythm Of Love: 19.914 (- 0.088)
LIFEHOUSE - All In: 18.661 (- 0.192)
KANYE WEST - Runaway f/Pusha T: 18.176 (- 0.129)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - Tonight f/Ludacris: 17.746 (+ 0.351)
SICK PUPPIES - Maybe: 17.656
MICHAEL JACKSON - Hold My Hand (Duet With Akon): 15.404 (+ 1.112)
JESSE MCCARTNEY - Shake: 15.269 (- 0.722)
LINKIN PARK - Waiting For The End: 14.237 (+ 0.320)
MAROON 5 - Give A Little More: 13.166 (- 0.104)
DR. DRE - Kush f/Snoop Dogg & Akon: 13.145
KERI HILSON - Pretty Girl Rock 12.438 (+ 0.583)
CHRISTINA PERRI - Jar Of Hearts: 12.224 (+ 0.144)
THE SCRIPT - For The First Time: 7.237 (+ 0.156)
JASON ALDEAN/KELLY CLARKSON - Don't You Wanna Stay: 6.329 (+ 0.285)
MARIAH CAREY - Oh Santa: 5.743
GLEE CAST - Last Christmas: 5.727
DAVID GUETTA - Who's That Chick f/Rihanna: 5.072 (- 0.086)
CIARA - Gimmie Dat: 3.090 (- 0.097)
FEFE DOBSON - Stuttering: 1.343
LADY ANTEBELLUM - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 1.009
RIHANNA - Raining Men f/Nicki Minaj: 0.572
KILLERS - Boots: 0.173
CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Show Me How You Burlesque: 0.089
RIHANNA - S&M: 0.085
MICHAEL JACKSON - Much Too Soon: 0.061
BRANDON FLOWERS - Only The Young: 0.033 (- 0.003)
Gains of over 1 million are bolded.
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Post by Nadia on Dec 4, 2010 8:10:28 GMT -5
5. RIHANNA - What's My Name? f/Drake: 92.684 (+ 1.619) £
smash. #1 for sure
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Post by kingofpain on Dec 4, 2010 8:17:26 GMT -5
Why is Edward Maya dropping and why is Pink gaining so slowly? Is it the whole Christmas freeze or is that about all the love they're going to get from radio here?
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Post by Diego on Dec 4, 2010 8:52:57 GMT -5
Why such a big drop for All I Want all of a sudden?
Good for Katy having the biggest increase! Get that #1 girl.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 4, 2010 9:34:21 GMT -5
I had posted that with Thanksgiving day and possibly the day after out of the mix, the gains for holiday tracks could lessen or even decline. Because the 7-day rolling period that includes Thanksgiving day and the day after usually involves robust gains, as that's when radio stations really kick up holiday airplay. So, the new 7-day rolling period that doesn't include those days will have less airplay. Make sense?
That's how it's worked in the past. The big gains then usually come as Christmas gets closer.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Dec 4, 2010 11:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 4, 2010 12:02:02 GMT -5
kingofpain, the Christmas freeze hasn't really happened, at least at non-mainstream-AC formats. Pop usually plays holiday tracks more in the week-prior and week-of Christmas, whereas many mainstream AC gets right into it in November and then especially once Thanksgiving hits.
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Post by badrobot on Dec 4, 2010 12:18:52 GMT -5
It is interesting to hear what the cultural touch stones are for younger gay people today in terms of coming out. In my day it was Ellen. Anyway, that influence is positive but it doesn't automatically mean a song itself is any good musically speaking.
I think my biggest beef with Kesha's song is that it seems really disingenuous to sing about being who you are when she has clearly worked so hard to create an artificial persona. But I guess that fits under "choosing" an identity. Except equating that with being gay is also odd, since that is not a choice like covering yourself with dirt is a choice.
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you really don't like rihanna.
