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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 8, 2011 15:23:28 GMT -5
CHART DATE: 02/07/2011 LAST UPDATE: 02/08/2011 11:55:11 NOW IN: FINAL -- 1 RED RED INK 43,910 -- UNTIL WE HAVE FACES SWEET!!! That's not official. You have to wait for Billboard as they often have to make adjustments to that number.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 8, 2011 15:24:11 GMT -5
it's from Hits Daily Double
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 8, 2011 15:25:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. And that's why I said you have to wait for Billboard's report.
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2011 15:29:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. And that's why I said you have to wait for Billboard's report. Man if Billboard fucks with Red, somebody's gonna pay.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 8, 2011 15:37:27 GMT -5
that's what i was thinking. but know this, they didn't fuck with A7X. same could happen for Red
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 8, 2011 15:42:07 GMT -5
That doesn't mean squat. They adjust up or down by a couple of thousand. Considering Nicki Minaj is fairly close, it could be either of them.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 8, 2011 15:44:44 GMT -5
well, we'll see come tomorrow
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2011 15:47:32 GMT -5
That doesn't mean squat. They adjust up or down by a couple of thousand. Considering Nicki Minaj is fairly close, it could be either of them. Quick, someone buy a thousand more copies and forge the receipts!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2011 16:03:31 GMT -5
Billboard and HITS are different charts. They use different ways to determine sales. Billboard uses Soundscan. HITS doesn't. So neither chart is right or wrong.
Sometimes HITS is way off of what Soundscan has. Sometimes it's now. I have seen HITS off 12-15 thousand before. So buying 1,000 may not do it. LOL.
Last Week it was close between Amos Lee and Nicki. Amos Lee got it on HITS and got it on Billboard. So Last Week HITS and Billboard (Soundscan) were close.
This track is a Jam though. So as of right now It's #1 on HIT'S no matter what it does on Billboard.
It's like The Game vs Slipknot thing a few years ago. The Game was #1 on HITS. Slipknot was #1 on Billboard (Soundscan).
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 8, 2011 16:09:40 GMT -5
Billboard has more pull and what would be remembered. The same thing happens with Billboard and Mediabase too.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2011 16:14:48 GMT -5
No doubt. Not disagreeing with that. Billboard is what is more mainstream. The point is they are different charts and use different formulas. One is not right and the other isnt wrong.
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2011 16:30:43 GMT -5
I don't understand how they could get two different totals, unless there are sales that either one is not counting, which is ridiculous and inaccurate.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2011 16:38:23 GMT -5
I don't understand how they could get two different totals, unless there are sales that either one is not counting, which is ridiculous and inaccurate. Here is an example.. HITS had Drakes Album "Thank Me Later" selling on there final chart 462,989 copies sold the week it came out. When billboard (soundscan) released theirs the next day it has Drake still at #1 but at 446,680 copies sold. If you want to know the difference read the following... Does that help? I think Billboard uses the best system. But that doesn't make HITS wrong. But the more official number is Soundscan in my mind. But you will always have some people that does trust computers scanning and stuff like that. But i believe Billboard does it the best with using Soundscan. But it doesn't necessarily make HITS wrong.
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2011 16:42:08 GMT -5
So then wouldn't Soundscan be the true numbers? Unless people are selling things without scanning them.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2011 16:48:23 GMT -5
So then wouldn't Soundscan be the true numbers? Unless people are selling things without scanning them. As i said in my above edited post. In my mind, Soundscan is the more accurate. Therefore Billboard is Better. But it's not like HITS is hiding what it does or is wrong. This is why it's a different chart. Most of the time HIT'S is really close to Soundscan. Sometimes it's not. It's not HITS fault some of the retailers may be wrong or have a bias when reporting sales. HITs is a great prediction site. They are really good at there weekly predictions. So HITs isnt technically wrong but you can understand why the Billboard Chart (Which uses Soundscan) is the one thats most mainstream than the Hits Chart. IMO, Red will be #1 tomorrow. Because my guess is if there is a little bias going on it would be for Nicki Minaj because she is more Mainstream than Red. But this is just an assumption. When Recovery (Eminem) came out....like in it's 5th Week of Release HITs had Rick Ross with the #1 Album. Eminem was #1 on Billboard the next day. So it doesn't always work out (the most popular artist has more bias)
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 8, 2011 17:53:32 GMT -5
Interesting read. Thanks!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2011 19:12:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I have followed Hits Daily Double stuff since 2001. I really only get really into it when it's Eminem, Tool, A Perfect Circle, D12, and other bands among my Top 15.
But even when nobody i like has anything coming out or is selling anything i am always curious how things are selling.
I always like seeing new blood at the top of the charts. So rather it's RED or Nicki i will be happy. But basically I think Nicki Minaj has a couple more weeks where she could get #1. Really this is the only week RED will have a chance for it. So in that case hopefully RED get's it. This is a great track. And the other track getting some airplay is good as well.
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Post by WotUNeed on Feb 8, 2011 22:32:24 GMT -5
So then wouldn't Soundscan be the true numbers? Unless people are selling things without scanning them. SoundScan's market coverage is not 100%. Its figures still include estimates from that portion of the market which does not scan into Nielsen SoundScan. Granted, I believe that's something like 2% of the overall market at this point, but, in any event, SoundScan has some guesswork and/or rough estimates that are a component of its figures too.
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Post by Ron57 on Feb 8, 2011 23:04:12 GMT -5
Anyone else bored by this album? Loved their last one, but this one sounds like the same stuff. I guess it just all blends after a while for me.
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Post by pen on Feb 8, 2011 23:44:55 GMT -5
Anyone else bored by this album? Loved their last one, but this one sounds like the same stuff. I guess it just all blends after a while for me. ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 9, 2011 1:02:31 GMT -5
WotUNeed is correct. 98.7% or something is what the coverage is I want to say. That could be wrong though. Regardless neither is exact. Which understandably is tough to do.
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Post by david112 on Feb 9, 2011 2:23:35 GMT -5
Anyone else bored by this album? Loved their last one, but this one sounds like the same stuff. I guess it just all blends after a while for me. Not me sorry. Try somewhere else.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Feb 9, 2011 12:30:43 GMT -5
Damn, this falls short of #1 by about 2000 copies.
A #2 debut is still good for this though.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 9, 2011 14:45:15 GMT -5
Damn. I had a feeling it was gonna do that. But yes, you're right; it's good. Just like STP getting No. 2 with 62k when effin' Glee beat it by 1k.
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Post by david112 on Feb 9, 2011 14:49:56 GMT -5
How much did it sell in the end?
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 9, 2011 15:08:38 GMT -5
43k.
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Post by pen on Feb 9, 2011 17:08:09 GMT -5
Bring me the head of Johnny Soundscan.
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Post by pen on Feb 9, 2011 17:12:14 GMT -5
Here's something that bothers me about Soundscan vs. HDD. I understand that Soundscan is based on scans and is therefore probably more accurate, but I've always ever seen round numbers from Soundscan, which obviously can't be accurate, while HDD always has odd, random numbers, which seems accurate. Just something which has always bothered me about the two in comparison. I realize it probably just means they know they can't be accurate so they round off as close as they can, but do they round down or round up? Or both? It may seem trivial, but it could actually make the difference in a few chart positions, I feel.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 10, 2011 21:53:06 GMT -5
Nicki Minaj slips in after 2+ months and grabs her first week at #1 ahead of Red. I'm sorry, but that's comedy. :)
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Post by lockebox on Feb 13, 2011 12:41:45 GMT -5
"Feed the Machine" may well be the first single with the airplay it's currently getting.
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