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Post by chartfreak on Jul 9, 2011 21:07:38 GMT -5
I don't understand how a fan recording outside, is herself and her people leaking it. And is that the studio or her home?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 10, 2011 0:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 10, 2011 4:27:01 GMT -5
As far as collaborators go, she could do a lot worse than Solveig. I'm listening to his album now and I can definitely see the appeal. Not quite as unknown as Mirwais etc., but nowhere near as mainstream as Timbaland/Pharrell, so a few tracks is fine.
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Post by floridagrl on Jul 10, 2011 7:12:14 GMT -5
This is the worse one yet. Can only hear static.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 10, 2011 7:41:19 GMT -5
Plus, Solveig has not worked with anyone that's really considered a mainstream act (especially in the USA), correct? A one-off hit single (that has yet to crack Billboard's top 40) isn't anywhere near enough for classification as a mainstream producer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 8:48:33 GMT -5
Plus, Solveig has not worked with anyone that's really considered a mainstream act (especially in the USA), correct? A one-off hit single (that has yet to crack Billboard's top 40) isn't anywhere near enough for classification as a mainstream producer. Still much more mainstream than Orbit and Mirwais.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 10, 2011 10:13:09 GMT -5
i prefer Solveig's sound to Orbit and Mirwais.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 10, 2011 11:59:21 GMT -5
Plus, Solveig has not worked with anyone that's really considered a mainstream act (especially in the USA), correct? A one-off hit single (that has yet to crack Billboard's top 40) isn't anywhere near enough for classification as a mainstream producer. Agree 100%. Most "fans' and casual listeners have no idea.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 10, 2011 12:07:22 GMT -5
This is similar to the MTV article, but this is from the UK. I could not agree more. However, the part about her Mother. What was the last album that referenced her? I thought it was American Life, but I could be wrong.
By the time Madonna finishes her next album, it will be almost four years since the opinion-dividing Hard Candy was released. While it was by no means a flop – it was number one in 37 different countries – fans haven’t hailed it a classic like Confessions On A Dancefloor, Ray Of Light or Like A Prayer. Even a two-part, two-year Sticky and Sweet tour that relied heavily on new Hard Candy material failed to re-ignite much interest in the album. It was, in short, all sugar and no substance. In the time she’s been away, one name shines above all others in the world of female pop – Lady Gaga. While Britney, Christina, Kylie and a host of other Madonnabe’s failed to live up to the hype, Gaga has come the closest to stealing the Queen of Pop’s crown. According to Guy Oseary, Madonna’s manager, she returns to the recording studio next month with some as yet unnamed producers to start work on her 12th proper album. Different Scene offers some words of advice in an open letter to Ms Ciccone on how to stay on top 28 years into her career.
1. Don’t forget the lyrics. Sex, relationships, divorce, motherhood and fame – there’s not much your lyrics haven’t touched on. You had a lot, possibly too much, to say on American Life. You found a balance on Confessions On A Dancefloor. But Hard Candy’s lyrics were just banal. No, we didn’t want to see your 52-year-old booty get down; yes, we’re sure your sugar was raw and big deal, you had four minutes to save the world. In fact the lyrics were so Cascada-lite, you didn’t even bother reproducing them in your sleeve notes. You were at your lyrical best when you collaborated with Patrick Leonard on Ray Of Light and Like A Prayer and so much has happened since Hard Candy. You’ve directed a film, adopted two children, divorced Guy Ritchie, dated men young enough to be Rocco’s playmates (well, almost). Surely there’s some mileage in that? And please, no more with the ‘tick tocks’ or ‘waiting/ anticipating’ couplets. And while we’re thinking about it, leave your mother alone. She died, we get it, and we’re very sorry for you, but to be honest, we’re bored of hearing about it.
2. Steer clear of established producers. Mirwais brought you an edge, Stuart Price helped you rediscover your dancefloor roots and William Orbit got you taken seriously and won you four Grammys. What did Timberlake, Timbaland and Pharrell do? They turned you into a bandwagon jumper. They were already past their creative peak when you hooked up with them; you had the off-cuts of songs others had already recorded as demos. 4 Minutes was a global hit, but can anyone other than a die-hard Madonna fan remember its follow up? (Give It 2 Me, by the way.) Oakenfold said Celebration was ‘the sound of tomorrow’ and he was right – if the tomorrow was 1995. And Frank E autotuned you and Lil Wayne on Revolver so much you sounded like Alvin and the Chipmunks. You’re at your most creative when you choose relative unknowns and those without egos to steer you in the right direction.
3. Don’t try and compete with Gaga. Why? Because you can’t and if you do, you’ll fail. You just about got away with turning 50 and sporting a leotard and fishnets, so let’s not push it, shall we? Let Gaga wear dresses made of dead Bulgarian orphans and glue angular rhombuses to her shoulders with the tears of unicorns. You’re tool old for that, Madge. You’ll look like an old loon who’s covered herself in Velcro then run around a Help The Aged shop throwing herself at clothing rails. Gaga is flogging her wares like she knows the exact date when she’s going out of business. She’s yet to learn that less is more when it comes to self-promotion, and already the backlash has begun. But like any attention seeking hyperactive child, Gaga will burn herself out then need a nap or a stint in rehab. Then your time will come to remind us what feats you’re capable of.
4. Be age appropriate with your image. You’re 52. We know it, you know it. While you might still be able to hold a twenty pence piece between those tightly clenched buttocks and could burst a balloon with your razor-sharp cheekbones, no-one wants to see their Nan in her knickers mooching about on an X Factor. Image has always been a carefully considered factor with your albums – you were a boy toy for Like A Virgin; sex-monkey for Erotica; earth mother for Ray Of Light and Jessie from Toy Story for Music. Think carefully before you drop your drawers for this new album.
5. Hit the road with your album for more than a week. You seemed to lose interest in Hard Candy before the fans did and that’s never a good sign. A whirlwind of promotion, including Radio One’s Big Weekend, announced Hard Candy’s impending arrival, and then what? Nothing until the Sticky and Sweet tour, and let’s be honest, it was more Girlie Show than Blonde Ambition. Everyone knows that most tours these days don’t promote album sales, and gigs and merchandise make more money than albums ever do. But where’s the ‘artistic integrity’ you once harped about.
6. Make us want you. Madge, it’s time to bring your promotional strategy into the new millennium. It’s not 1985 – releasing just one song before your album is no longer enough to create demand. Sure, you have a built-in fan base, but it’s the casual buyers you also want to appeal to. Find innovative ways to do it via the Internet, join Twitter, give us teasers, offer it on multiple formats, and then make us buy it again six months later with bonus tracks. Just don’t cheapen the brand like Gaga and her $0.99 cents Amazon giveaways.
7. Promote yourself properly. You don’t need to do a Beyonce, Rihanna or an Usher and throw song after song at iTunes in the hope one resonates with fans. Hire a young, innovative marketing team that will come up with some amazing ideas. And stop doing interviews just with arty publications like Pop or worthy magazines like Saturday’s Guardian. Their readers don’t buy your records – DS readers do! And when it comes to TV appearances, you can’t go wrong with X Factor. Til now you’ve shied away from appearing on it and shows like American Idol, but you need to appeal to a demographic that wasn’t born when you rolled around onstage at the MTV music awards in a wedding dress begging to be touched for the very first time. If in doubt, ask Lourdes!
8. Make more videos – and make them memorable. It’s understandable, I guess, when you’ve made more than 50 promos – some of which are the greatest of all time – you must have run out of ideas. So find a director to steer you in the right direction. Your output since the brilliant American Life video (which only saw the light of day online as you pulled it due to its controversial war themes) has been patchy. Yes, Hung Up and 4 Minutes were memorable. But what about Give It 2 Me, Get Together, Sorry and Love Profusion? Was that really the same woman who once bared her boobs in Vogue and had doves flying out of her chuff in Bedtime Story? And don’t get us started on the abominations that were Jump and Celebration. You made just two videos for Hard Candy despite having one in the can as the backdrop for your live performances of Beat Goes On/ Get Stupid. If Beyonce can make eight videos for her I Am Sasha Fierce project, you can stump up the cash for at least two more per project.
Conclusion This is a make or break album for you Madonna. This is where we find out if your heart really still lies in music, or whether you’re best days are behind you. No-one’s saying if this album fails to deliver the goods then that’s it – look how many times Cher’s been written off before she comes back more sequined than ever. But is that really what you want, a residency at Caesar’s palace and countless drag acts paying homage to your better days? I think not. So we implore you Madge, come back and show us we’ve been going gaga over the wrong woman.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jul 10, 2011 12:58:59 GMT -5
Thanks chartfreak for the article and I also agree on all fronts especially #3,6,+7.
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Post by SuperTrouper on Jul 10, 2011 17:31:52 GMT -5
This is a make or break album for you Madonna. DEAD
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 10, 2011 18:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 10, 2011 20:18:45 GMT -5
I can't really hear much from those snippets aside from it being obvious it's Madonna singing. The first one sounded interesting, regardless of whether it would make the album.
I agree with much of what the article is saying. I hope that she'll do some of those things this time around.
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Post by discoloser on Jul 10, 2011 23:51:24 GMT -5
I say kudos for not using mainstream producers and kudos for no more Timbaland, i hope.
I really disliked Hard Candy.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 11, 2011 8:13:30 GMT -5
Indeed- lesser-known producers are definitely the way to go.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jul 12, 2011 10:36:49 GMT -5
Which I already posted a few weeks back...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 12, 2011 19:39:19 GMT -5
^Well, it's dated 7/1, so you had posted it no more than nine days prior. BTW- Madonna is one of the 100 Celebrities That Define Our Time in People magazine. She's in the Powerhouses section. Being a publication dedicated to celebrity news/gossip, it has some other questionable choices, but, otherwise... Says how without her, there probably would be no Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, etc. etc.
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Post by floridagrl on Jul 13, 2011 6:14:52 GMT -5
Poll: Best '80s Video?With the launch of MTV on Aug. 1, 1981, video took on a new role in the music world -- and as the first song played on the cable network ("The Buggles' "Video Killed the Radio Star") declared, video did, indeed, kill the radio star. These days, music videos are standard practice for artists both big and small, and needless to say, the scale of and technology behind these clips has escalated over the years. But even back in the 1980s -- what some may consider the infant age of the music video -- clips like Michael Jackson's 14-minute, John Landis-directed "Thriller," Madonna's controversy-filled "Like a Prayer," and Peter Gabriel's laborious stop-motion narrative "Sledgehammer" set the bar very high for future decades. Now, as we celebrate 30 years of music video television, let's revisit -- and vote on -- each decade's best. Billboard.com editors filled out our poll with a handful of our favorites from the 1980s, but use the write-in option below to vote from other clips released from Jan. 1, 1980 to Dec. 31, 1989. The poll will remain open all week, and be sure to come back next week to vote in our '90s music video poll. We'll reveal readers' top picks for each decade after three weeks of polls. Vote for Madonna here: www.billboard.com/#/features/poll-what-is-your-favorite-80s-music-video-1005270962.story
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 14, 2011 8:46:10 GMT -5
M had other grand videos of the 80s (especially "Express Yourself"), but "Like a Prayer" had a big impact and probably was her most important clip of the 80s.
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Post by floridagrl on Jul 14, 2011 19:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by Lozzy on Jul 15, 2011 7:47:58 GMT -5
Very excited for this era! I really liked Hard Candy even though most seemed to hate it so I hope this one's at least as good as that. 3. Don’t try and compete with Gaga. Why? Because you can’t and if you do, you’ll fail. You just about got away with turning 50 and sporting a leotard and fishnets, so let’s not push it, shall we? Let Gaga wear dresses made of dead Bulgarian orphans and glue angular rhombuses to her shoulders with the tears of unicorns. You’re tool old for that, Madge. You’ll look like an old loon who’s covered herself in Velcro then run around a Help The Aged shop throwing herself at clothing rails. Gaga is flogging her wares like she knows the exact date when she’s going out of business. She’s yet to learn that less is more when it comes to self-promotion, and already the backlash has begun. But like any attention seeking hyperactive child, Gaga will burn herself out then need a nap or a stint in rehab. Then your time will come to remind us what feats you’re capable of. Didn't really like anything from this "words of advice" section, but this is just stupid.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jul 15, 2011 9:37:45 GMT -5
She should just stick with her dark roots. Go with her own vision like all of her great albums. I liked some of Hard Candy ( she's not me, give it to me, devil wouldn't recognize you) but I hope she goes or stays now with lesser-known producers for her new album.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 15, 2011 10:51:50 GMT -5
^Dark roots as in her hair? She should definitely not craft the album with commercial success as the driving goal- while she enjoys a hit as much as the next gal, that's not what usually drives her. Thew moments that it does are obvious (i.e. "4 Minutes").
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jul 15, 2011 11:08:07 GMT -5
^ ya..lol :)
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Post by josh on Jul 16, 2011 0:02:42 GMT -5
She looks really good in those photos. Flawless skin!
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Post by d.t.m on Jul 16, 2011 2:08:36 GMT -5
I still would like her to work with Pharell again.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 16, 2011 2:11:31 GMT -5
The time to work with Pharell was in 2002 when she erroneously re-entered the studio with Mirwais.
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Post by d.t.m on Jul 16, 2011 2:28:02 GMT -5
To each his own.
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Post by floridagrl on Jul 16, 2011 6:06:07 GMT -5
She looks really good in those photos. Flawless skin! I agree, Josh. She'll be 53 next month. Hard to believe.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 16, 2011 8:29:09 GMT -5
Dunno if she should have worked with Pharell in 2002, but American Life was the first instance that one of her albums had a sole producer since Like a Virgin- and while it expanded on the folky cue from Music, it wasn't strong enough on the whole.
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