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Post by HereIsGone on Jan 30, 2011 17:24:25 GMT -5
They just performed this and Kryptonite at the NHL All-Star game and it sounded good (then again, Brad always sounds good). And what is with people attacking bands on twitter on the basis that they happen to have an earlier hit? Oh right-- internet + anonymity = jerks God, I can't wait for round two when the Goo Goo Dolls do the Pro Bowl at 7pm tonight. Ok...I'm done. This is just getting annoying. People are so damn myopic.
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Post by HereIsGone on Jan 30, 2011 22:45:56 GMT -5
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 1, 2011 10:55:42 GMT -5
At the moment, this is No. 1 on the US iTunes' rock songs chart and No. 86 overall. I'm so happy. For once a band I like has a single that can actually do something for a change.
Edit - No. 47 on the overall chart now. :)
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Post by lockebox on Feb 22, 2011 18:18:46 GMT -5
Wow this is flopping on alt. May well struggle to go top 30 at this rate.
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Post by Devin on Feb 22, 2011 18:22:30 GMT -5
Hopefully it can at least outpeak "Train", or this will be an utter dissappointing pathetic attempt at a chart run on alt. I'm was pulling for this to reach Top 10, but as lockebox said, a Top 30 peak will be a feat itself at the rate it's going now.
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Post by pen on Feb 22, 2011 18:40:38 GMT -5
Alternative is not designed for this band anymore.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Feb 22, 2011 21:20:30 GMT -5
Things aren't looking good for this album. At this rate, it'll do like 70k at best.
Can't believe it's currently at #35 with a negative bullet. >:(
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Post by pen on Feb 22, 2011 21:28:50 GMT -5
Things aren't looking good for this album. At this rate, it'll do like 70k at best. Can't believe it's currently at #35 with a negative bullet. >:( Kind of unfair to pin their success on how they do at alternative, which has not been kind to bands like 3DD for some time now. Lest we forget while "It's Not My Time" did hit #5, "Train" barely made top 30 and no other singles charted. Similar chart runs occurred on previous albums. The only thing that's happened here is that 3DD has lost their presence on Alt, but they still have one on Active. Has it been added to AC yet?
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 1:15:48 GMT -5
Things aren't looking good for this album. At this rate, it'll do like 70k at best. Can't believe it's currently at #35 with a negative bullet. >:( Kind of unfair to pin their success on how they do at alternative, which has not been kind to bands like 3DD for some time now. Lest we forget while "It's Not My Time" did hit #5, "Train" barely made top 30 and no other singles charted. Similar chart runs occurred on previous albums. The only thing that's happened here is that 3DD has lost their presence on Alt, but they still have one on Active. Has it been added to AC yet? I was gonna say, 70k? That's too much of a drop-off from the 154k debut sales in '08. I'd wager it'd be closer to something slightly over 100k. Pen, Hot AC hasn't touched this nor is there an adds date (it might have been a mistake when it said it did back then). I honestly don't see them trying there unless if they ship a ballad out for single #2.
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Post by pen on Feb 23, 2011 1:43:20 GMT -5
They've been there for every lead single from all of their albums. I admit I haven't heard this song yet, but I can't see why they wouldn't.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 1:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by pen on Feb 23, 2011 2:19:10 GMT -5
I see Train, OneRepublic, Sick Puppies all in the top 10. Linkin Park's there and....Florence? Mumford? And is that Stone Sour I see down at the bottom there? What sorcery is this? <---- This is honest confusion
Don't get me wrong, I see your point (and actually I'm now more than a little disturbed), but I don't think 3 Doors Down should be turned completely away.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 2:36:05 GMT -5
The thing is that the Train song is a very soft acoustic song (not to mention the rest of the singles are poppy), Maybe is a surprise crossover hit (and at least softer by their standards), OneRepublic's not by definition a very hard band (or at least not from what I gathered from owning the sophomore album + knowing the first album's singles) -- kind of like the matchbox twenty of the era with a bit more urban/rhythmic flair.
Linkin Park's honestly an exception to the rule here and Stone Sour just got on there recently; I have no idea how far it'll go since Hesitate's harder than Bother/Through Glass. As for Florence and Mumford, I'd wager it's because they're 'in' right now.
So, I guess, I should have clarified that they're very anti-hard(ish) rock song (and by that, I mean, harder than your typical Daughtry song). And like I said, I don't see them shunning 3 Doors Down completely, they just need to target the singles for HAC in particular using either a softer song or a ballad (which, I'm sure they'll have since they always do).
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Post by pen on Feb 23, 2011 3:08:48 GMT -5
I haven't heard the 3DD song so I don't know how heavy it is.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 4:59:02 GMT -5
As it's gotten the "When I'm Gone" comparisons as you may have seen earlier in the thread, whether people agree with them or not, I think most people would agree that it is at a similar level of heaviness at a similar tempo and with a similar overall feel.
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Post by pen on Feb 23, 2011 5:12:00 GMT -5
As it's gotten the "When I'm Gone" comparisons as you may have seen earlier in the thread, whether people agree with them or not, I think most people would agree that it is at a similar level of heaviness at a similar tempo and with a similar overall feel. Well "When I'm Gone" went #3 on AC. If this one is similar then I don't see why it can't do well. Arg, I'm not cut out for this crap.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 5:15:04 GMT -5
I think it's mostly just a timing thing when right now, 3 Doors Down just isn't in, in general. It's not just alternative where they're in trouble. "When You're Young" is arguably slightly heavier than "It's Not My Time" and yet it might fail to go top 10 on active rock. If they can't go top 10 on their core format with a lead single that has a decent amount of meat to it, I'm thinking that their popularity has declined again after picking up a bit with their s/t.
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Post by pen on Feb 23, 2011 5:22:15 GMT -5
See, it's hard for me to think of Active as 3DD's core format because I lump them in with Matchbox Twenty and Goo Goo Dolls and Lifehouse more than Shinedown or Puddle Of Mudd, so I think of AC as their home nowadays.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 5:25:38 GMT -5
You mean hot ac I think. Unless AC has changed a lot in the last few years.
I guess it's a toss-up between those two formats, but I think 3DD have charted the most singles on active, and have had a lot of them do well there regardless of how popular they were at the time. Their multi-format success has been more fickle.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 9:03:15 GMT -5
As it's gotten the "When I'm Gone" comparisons as you may have seen earlier in the thread, whether people agree with them or not, I think most people would agree that it is at a similar level of heaviness at a similar tempo and with a similar overall feel. Well "When I'm Gone" went #3 on AC. If this one is similar then I don't see why it can't do well. It's too similar - Hot AC stations are better just going back and playing When I'm Gone, which was a proven hit - plus, this never even went for adds anyway, so the label isn't pushing it Also think the chorus has an edge to it that isn't very HAC-friendly, and the whole thing just isn't that "catchy" 3DD has had rock-only singles before (even if they weren't lead singles), so I'm still not sure that this isn't just a lead single targeted entirely at rock
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 9:11:46 GMT -5
Well, for a rock-targeted lead single, this is certainly tanking at the rock formats. But I don't think that it is a rock-targeted single. Their previous lead singles all had to do well on rock before becoming bona fide hits at Hot AC. If this were sitting at #1 on active rock and top 10 at alternative, I think this would be in the top 30 of Hot AC with a massive bullet by now. It still can, but it's going to need to pick up some steam on rock first.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 9:24:57 GMT -5
See, it's hard for me to think of Active as 3DD's core format because I lump them in with Matchbox Twenty and Goo Goo Dolls and Lifehouse more than Shinedown or Puddle Of Mudd, so I think of AC as their home nowadays. Yeeeah, Hot AC hasn't been kind to the Goo Goo Dolls' latest release though they're pretty much in love with Rob Thomas and Lifehouse (and if Matchbox puts out a rockier release, it'd be doubtful to see where MB20 would stand). I mean, Home (first single) barely made it to top ten and the second, Notbroken, scrapped a paltry #26 before falling off the face of the planet. Arguably, neither were all that HAC friendly as strange as it sounds in theory if you haven't heard the songs. I mean listen to this and tell me which format you'd think it'd belong to: Honestly, I don't think anyone could get away with blindly releasing songs to multiple formats unless if it was a proven hit in one first (like Waiting For the End). And goddammit, why does everything I like have to fail? This is ridiculous concerning what I just saw on Active today. UGH.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 9:42:01 GMT -5
"Home" sounds like a HAC song to me. Is that the answer you were looking for?
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 9:49:40 GMT -5
But I don't think that it is a rock-targeted single. Their previous lead singles all had to do well on rock before becoming bona fide hits at Hot AC. If this were sitting at #1 on active rock and top 10 at alternative, I think this would be in the top 30 of Hot AC with a massive bullet by now. It still can, but it's going to need to pick up some steam on rock first. Yeah that sounds about right - this was at least intially a rock-targeted single though, cause it only went for adds at the rock formats - Let Me Go and It's Not My Time went for adds at Rock Formats/CHR/HAC simultaneously
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 9:49:55 GMT -5
Not really. It's a little loud/heavy for today's current HAC. I mean, it stuck out. Honestly, if I could do away with paying attention to HAC charts, I would because it's like tearing out hair sometimes. But no, some bands I like only chart there. Go figure.
Edit - Oops, I meant in regards to Home.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 9:56:37 GMT -5
And goddammit, why does everything I like have to fail? I think if you're kind of new on the scene, Home, Notbroken, and When You're Young sound "fresh" - problem is I guess if you're a Hot AC listener that's been listening for over ten years, these songs sound "stale" and too similar to tons of other songs you've already been listening to for years I definitely know how you feel though lol, cause everytime I check CHR for updates on Closer To The Edge and Sing, they get smaller and smaller...
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 10:03:46 GMT -5
Actually, I just meant in terms of why does everything from the bands I like have to fail. To be honest, I don't listen to Hot AC, I just look at the charts because that's where they have their singles.
Trust me, I've had to casually listen to these stations when some bands do radio stuff and they drive me mad. Active is a lot closer to what I listen to so it's the type of stations I have on whenever I'm in the car.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:04:14 GMT -5
Not really. It's a little loud/heavy for today's current HAC. I mean, it stuck out. Honestly, if I could do away with paying attention to HAC charts, I would because it's like tearing out hair sometimes. But no, some bands I like only chart there. Go figure. Edit - Oops, I meant in regards to Home. Well it sounds closer to Hot AC than any other format. The verses could be to a rock song, but that major key I-IV-V chorus kinda seals the deal that "Home" is too pop for today's Alt/Active crowd.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 10:05:56 GMT -5
The verses could be to a rock song, but that major key I-IV-V chorus kinda seals the deal that "Home" is too pop for today's Alt/Active crowd. Now this is what I was getting at earlier. :)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:08:11 GMT -5
When were you getting at that? Honestly when I first heard "Home" I thought, 'this could be the song that brings them back to alternative!' Then I heard the chorus and thought 'ewwwwww.'
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