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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 10:11:48 GMT -5
I meant that it's stuck in limbo land because it doesn't fit a format perfectly. It's too rocky in places for Hot AC but it's too soft in spots (or the lyrics don't help) for the others.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:17:27 GMT -5
They're also old, which doesn't help. When your two defining hits came 13 and 16 years ago, it's hard to maintain the "cool"-factor it takes to do better than top 10. 3 Doors Down are now starting to lose it and Goo Goo Dolls started losing it ever since your username was released.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 10:21:18 GMT -5
They're also old, which doesn't help. When your two defining hits came 13 and 16 years ago, it's hard to maintain the "cool"-factor it takes to do better than top 10. 3 Doors Down are now starting to lose it and Goo Goo Dolls started losing it ever since your username was released. Yeeeah. Hot AC is bad for that. Still, not bad for a bunch of guys in their mid-forties though!
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:24:51 GMT -5
Yeah, even though I don't like the chorus, I was rooting for the song to do well. Was "Notbroken" lighter or heavier than "Home"?
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 23, 2011 10:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah, even though I don't like the chorus, I was rooting for the song to do well. Was "Notbroken" lighter or heavier than "Home"? Lighter. Had very prominent drums though. The weird thing is though that even though I personally hated it for a single, I thought it would have been done better than Home rather easily because everyone else was so nuts over it. Then again, releasing it right before the holidays without a concrete adds date probably shot them in the foot. It's sad though because I like it when they do it live.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 10:29:02 GMT -5
The verses could be to a rock song, but that major key I-IV-V chorus kinda seals the deal that "Home" is too pop for today's Alt/Active crowd. Now this is what I was getting at earlier. :) Oh now I think I know what you mean... Active can't play Goo Goo Dolls cause they're too soft - Alternative and most AAAs can't play them cause they use too much of that 1-4-5 chord structure, and their lyrics aren't really "cutting edge' anymore As far as 3DD and Alternative, I think the format's just gone Indie ever since Mumford & Sons, and they just don't fit anymore - a couple years ago I'm pretty sure WYY would've at least gone Top 20 Alt.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:36:13 GMT -5
I think "When You're Young" is at least as alternative sounding as "It's Not My Time" so the two would probably have flip-flopped in performance had WYY been released then and INMT been released now.
I'm not sure if it's about the format so much as them getting older and less relevant. Alter Bridge - "Isolation" is doing better on alternative than any of their previous singles by roughly the equivalent amount that it outperformed their previous singles on active rock. And for A7X, "Welcome To The Family" is doing better than "Afterlife" and "Scream" did. I just think radio-rock bands such as Nickelback, 3DD, and other bands of that ilk are on the decline at alternative, but active rock still can have plenty songs do decently at alternative.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 10:48:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's about the format so much as them getting older and less relevant. Honestly, I don't think there was ever anything "Alternative" about 3 Doors Down (just cause Cake and Weezer are even older than 3DD, and they easily went Top 10) Just seems like during the 2000s the Alt. format became really close to Active Rock, just cause that was the stuff that kept the format getting high ratings - as far as Alter Bridge and Avenged Sevenfold, I think those are mostly stations in markets without an Active station, so they kind of cover both ends of the spectrum
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 10:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but "Kryptonite" was massive. And if a song is going to top active rock and be huge on HAC/CHR, it's going to be big on alternative too, no matter what era (since the advent of active rock as a format anyway), no matter what band.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 11:55:54 GMT -5
And if a song is going to top active rock and be huge on HAC/CHR, it's going to be big on alternative too, no matter what era (since the advent of active rock as a format anyway), no matter what band. Oh yeah - you're right - and Second Chance wasn't that long ago either, so yeah I guess if this were huge on Active/HAC, Alt. would have to pick it up too On the other hand, though, Alternative already gave up on Hesitate/Stone Sour, so if that potentially got to be huge on Active and Hot AC, would Alternative give it a second chance? I'm actually not sure, since Indie is so "intellectual" and Hesitate has a lot of cliche lyrics
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 12:16:33 GMT -5
Yeah, but so does "Second Chance". My guess is that if it becomes a massive hit to the extent of "Second Chance" it'll rebound on alternative. The fact that it's ascent on active rock has been slower suggests that it won't be, but it could still have a rebound on alternative nonetheless.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 23, 2011 15:27:39 GMT -5
^Not sure about you guys, but I couldn't imagine my Alternative station, the way it is now, playing Second Chance (or any old Nickelback tracks either) - it might just be my station though, and how Indie-leaning it is
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 23, 2011 15:32:10 GMT -5
I couldn't imagine my alternative station playing "Second Chance" two years ago, but when it hit the top 5 on alternative, they kinda had to cave in and play it. They even played "The Sound Of Madness", which was way heavier, but only again once it approached the top 5 and in this case, only for a few weeks.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 23, 2011 18:03:36 GMT -5
they're shooting a music video for the song, according to the band's Twitter
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Post by Rumors on Feb 24, 2011 6:33:00 GMT -5
As I stated earlier, 3DD just appear to be a band stuck in a 2 album rut. It's a shame because I really do like Brad's vocals. They have just run out of steam in the songwriting department. Having said that, if they are still making a video even though the song is just barely making progress on the rock charts, maybe the label still has faith in this song and will push it a little bit more once the video is out. Either that or there aren't many more single options on the album.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 24, 2011 11:23:16 GMT -5
As I stated earlier, 3DD just appear to be a band stuck in a 2 album rut. It's a shame because I really do like Brad's vocals. They have just run out of steam in the songwriting department. Having said that, if they are still making a video even though the song is just barely making progress on the rock charts, maybe the label still has faith in this song and will push it a little bit more once the video is out. Either that or there aren't many more single options on the album. 1. You've only heard one song. How can you claim they're in a rut? Alternatively, if you meant Seventeen Days and the self-titled, they've charted just fine. 2. Something tells me you didn't look at the charts because most bands wouldn't call approaching top ten status as 'barely making progress' even if their standard is higher.
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Post by Rumors on Feb 24, 2011 16:24:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't look at the rock or alternative charts. I just read through recent posts and my impression is that the song isn't doing great per previous success by the band. And yes, based on the very generic sounding lead single, I think they are in a rut. At this point I'm not expecting much from any future singles.
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Post by Devin on Feb 24, 2011 20:00:55 GMT -5
Well, this is stalling on both active and alt. Is this a bump on the road or does radio not accept 3 Doors Down as a core artist anymore? Is their time up?
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 24, 2011 20:02:18 GMT -5
clearly a bump on the road
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Post by Devin on Feb 24, 2011 20:04:22 GMT -5
^ You never know... :o
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 24, 2011 20:23:50 GMT -5
It's hard to say considering how fast this rocketed up Active. It might perk up once the video's out. Maybe Rope is just grabbing attention away from it at the moment? Who knows.
Edit - Clearly I cannot form coherent sentences. Clearly.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 24, 2011 20:32:21 GMT -5
It's hard to say considering how fast this rocketed up Active. It might perk up once the video's out. Maybe Rope is just grabbing attention away from it at the moment? Who knows. Edit - Clearly I cannot form coherent sentences. Clearly. looks coherent.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 24, 2011 20:40:33 GMT -5
I had a bunch of words in the third sentence that didn't belong there before I edited it. Happens to me all the time when I change the way I phrase something and forget to erase the previous bits before.
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 24, 2011 20:41:44 GMT -5
you'll get there
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Post by jvandyck87 on Feb 24, 2011 21:09:15 GMT -5
^I love how rockmaniac's comment with the ADTR lyrics below form a nice steady stream of encouragement with a side of snarkiness.
I think it is just a bump in the road, but a bump that hit low enough on the chart and hard enough to suggest that this will easily be their least successful lead single. I'll say #7 on active and #29 on alternative are my current predictions. On Billboard, I'll guess #5 on BB Mainstream Rock and #26 on Alternative.
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Post by Devin on Feb 24, 2011 21:37:37 GMT -5
^ That's not good at all I kinda doubt this'll hit #1 on Active/BB Mainstream rock now as I did before. Seems as radio's not into 3 Doors Down at the moment. And Top 20 will be a huge struggle itself for this song on alt.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 24, 2011 22:12:58 GMT -5
Completely off topic to this conversation of When You're Young, but I found this -- apparently it's called What's Left. I think it's supposed to be on the new CD too.
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Post by HereIsGone on Feb 27, 2011 13:03:13 GMT -5
Not that this means all that much but When You're Young finally has seen a positive weekly increase instead of the negative/neutral it's been seeing lately while maintaining the AI rating. Hopefully, they'll gain back a bit of steam?
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Feb 27, 2011 22:08:36 GMT -5
Hopefully. This song really should be doing better.
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Post by HereIsGone on Mar 1, 2011 16:55:41 GMT -5
Keeping steady...all hope is not lost..
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