Sick Puppies - Riptide

[HereIsGone]

Eh, probably should have used a different expression -- I've been up all day so my brainpower is partly out the window. The general sentiment I was going for is that it's a rather petty comment to add. Like, what bearing does it have?

[pen]

Feb 21, 2011 1:41:04 GMT -5 HereIsGone said:

Eh, probably should have used a different expression -- I've been up all day so my brainpower is partly out the window. The general sentiment I was going for is that it's a rather petty comment to add. Like, what bearing does it have?

He's not saying he dislikes them because of the name; he's saying he dislikes everything about them, even the name. Which is to say that he dislikes even the most petty of things about the band. From their head to their tippy toes, so to speak.

[HereIsGone]

Just one point of clarification. I never meant to imply he hates them solely for the name. I'm just brain dead tonight, mixing up expressions.

[pen]

That's okay.

[lockebox]

Nic hates everything about the band. Moving on...

31 23 SICK PUPPIES - Riptide 501 347 154 0.834

Wow. Ok, this definitely has a great chance of going top 10 on Active.

[pen]

Awesome sauce.

[jvandyck87]

This is one of those rare occasions it seems where waiting until later in the album cycle may have made this song more rather than less successful. While it was the obvious pick for single #2, "Odd One" solidified them fine and "Maybe" was a decent-sized crossover hit, and now it's approaching a +200 bullet in the top 20 of active as a fourth single. I think this will at least match what it would have done had been second on active. "Odd One" and "Maybe" re-solidified them on alternative, so I think this will do substantially better there than it would have immediately following "You're Going Down". Updated predictions:

Active rock: #3 (with a decent shot of hitting the top).
Alternative: #12 (top 10 if this tops active)

And while I don't dislike them like Nick does, they've yet to have a single that particularly thrills me. I often like the verses to their songs, but most of their choruses are SO cheesy, especially on the Tri-Polar album. "Master Of The Universe" and "Riptide" are tow great examples of songs that have solid (or in the case of MOTU, really interesting) verses and lame-ass choruses. Singles rankings:

My World B+
What Are You Looking For B
All The Same B
Odd One B
Riptide B
Maybe C+
You're Going Down C+
War (Street Fighter) D <--Just for good measure :)

Notice Tri-Polar is clearly behind Dressed Up As Life for me in the singles department, but my two favorite songs off Tri-Polar would be in the A-range probably ("White balloons" and "In It For Life").

[pen]

I thought the choruses of both those songs were excellent.

[Shadows in the Dark]

Top 20 on Active:

29 20 SICK PUPPIES Riptide 588 437 151 1.059

[Devin]

For this album's singles so far:

Odd One > Maybe > You're Going Down > Riptide (never really had a chance to really get into this one yet)

Other possible singles to be released from this album after "Riptide":
- "Don't Walk Away" or "White Balloons" as the follow-up to "Maybe" on pop/HAC single (although my bet's on DWA)
- "Don't Walk Away", "White Balloons", or "In It For Life" as the next rock single after "Riptide"

[rockmaniac]

I don't think they're gonna release a single after Riptide. Riptide should close the album's era.

[Devin]

If "Riptide" continues this success it's having now, it will warrant another release. I think there will be a fifth single anyways ("Don't Walk Away"), because if you didn't know, "Maybe" was released to pop and HAC and has reached #22 and #9, respectively.

And rockmaniac, did you get my PM?

[rockmaniac]

even if Riptide is doing well, they can't risk releasing a fifth single to rock radio. We don't want a Shinedown-like situation here.

and Devin, I got your PM. u should receive mine by now.

[jvandyck87]

While I wouldn't like another Shinedown-like situation, I think Sick Puppies and their label would be plenty happy with it.

[lockebox]

Top 20 - Alternative

22 20 SICK PUPPIES - Riptide 512 467 45 1.783

[Shadows in the Dark]

Top 10 on Active:

13 10 SICK PUPPIES Riptide 1073 946 127 2.461

[rockmaniac]

Apr 2, 2011 10:26:05 GMT -5 Shadows in the Dark said:

Top 10 on Active:

13 10 SICK PUPPIES Riptide 1073 946 127 2.461

GOD DAMN!

[HereIsGone]

Wow. Niiiice.

[singingsparrow]

I can easily see this crossing over to Adult Top 40 and even the Mainstream Top 40 potentially, much like "Maybe".

I'm surprised that impression hasn't been reflected in this thread's comments so far. Musically it has a soaring melody backing it, and lyrically its positive message of keeping a stiff upper lip in the face of uncertainty and adversity will appeal hand in glove to youthful listening demographics beyond just their core format.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[singingsparrow]

Feb 26, 2011 14:14:06 GMT -5 rockmaniac said:

even if Riptide is doing well, they can't risk releasing a fifth single to rock radio. We don't want a Shinedown-like situation here.

and Devin, I got your PM. u should receive mine by now.

If "Riptide" ends up crossing over to mainstream radio in some capacity, then it wouldn't make sense not releasing a follow-up in my view.

I'm surprised as much as anyone that "Diamond Eyes" received a single treatment as what will feel like a sixth single from "The Sound of Madness" (although in technicality it was a stand-alone single in promotion of a motion picture soundtrack that only later would be included on a deluxe edition of "The Sound of Madness")............but it made complete sense that "The Crow & The Butterfly" got the green light as a fifth single in that "If You Only Knew" proved to be not only a strong-charting fourth single on their core formats, but also a moderate crossover hit.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[rockmaniac]

music video

travisfaulk.com/sick-puppies-riptide-music-video

[Devin]

"Riptide" could maybe do well on HAC, but not on Pop.
"Don't Walk Away" would be a safer choice for crossing over.

[jvandyck87]

I don't know what makes you say that. I think "Maybe" is more Hot AC-leaning than this is.

[Devin]

Apr 6, 2011 15:30:00 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I don't know what makes you say that. I think "Maybe" is more Hot AC-leaning than this is.

Which is why it has already reached Top 25 on pop and Top 10 on HAC.

[jvandyck87]

Right, and for a rock band, that's doing well on pop. I think if this song were sent to pop and hot AC, its Hot AC and CHR performances would be much more similar to each other than the disparate peaks you posted for "Maybe" as "Riptide" is more upbeat and less ballad-y. If anything, you're supporting my point so stop your eye-rolling, boy.

[American Idiot]

I think "Riptide"'s a little too hard for Hot AC and Pop. "All The Same" seemed more like a better chance of doing anything on there, but since it was their first single ever, while did respectively good on the charts, I can see why it was never sent there. "Maybe" made perfect sense to release to the lighter crowd.

[Devin]

What the hell? I don't know what you're even arguing with me about, Jamie.
I just said that "Don't Walk Away" would be a better follw-up than "Riptide" for Pop and HAC. I'm not arguing that "Riptide" is better-suited for pop/HAC than "Maybe". I think that's what you're saying.

[jvandyck87]

Apr 6, 2011 15:27:40 GMT -5 Devin said:

"Riptide" could maybe do well on HAC, but not on Pop.

This is the comment I was referring to. The only thing I'm arguing is that, if this were to do well at Hot AC, it would also do well at pop (thus disagreeing with what you said). I feel that with equal success at Hot AC to "Maybe", "Riptide would be much more CHR leaning. What I meant by "Maybe" being much more Hot AC leaning is that it's differential between Hot AC and CHR success was much higher than it should be for "Riptide" (if they even send it to pop formats in the first place). I agree that "Maybe" is more crossover-friendly, and I also agree that "Don't Walk Away" is. I just don't agree with what you said about "Riptide". If it does as well as "Maybe" at Hot AC, it will do better than "Maybe" did at CHR. If it matches "Riptide" at CHR, it probably will not have done as well as "Maybe" at Hot AC. I would expect the peaks of "Riptide" to be 5-10 spots apart on the two formats rather than 15 spots apart like they were for "Maybe". That, my friend, is my argument in thorough detail.

[Devin]

Well I disagree. I don't think a follow-up to "Maybe" on Pop and HAC will be that huge anyways, but regardless, "Riptide" will do better on HAC than pop regardless on positioning, since every rock song that gets released to pop does better on HAC, even without an adds date for HAC.

If "Don't Walk Away" was released:
#34 on Pop
#21 on HAC

If "Riptide" was released:
Mid-40's on Pop
#27 on HAC

[Shadows in the Dark]

Top 5 on Active:

7 5 SICK PUPPIES Riptide 1321 1254 67 3.38