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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 14, 2011 10:26:25 GMT -5
^The comparison was made to show that acts who don't have much of a hand in crafting their own music can be very revered and such; I said that Spears does not fit that mold.
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Post by floridagrl on May 13, 2011 8:06:46 GMT -5
Lady Gaga to Ma Rainy: 'Women Who Rock' Exhibition Opens Today at Rock HallMay 13, 2011By Meghan Barr, Associated Press CLEVELAND - When Wanda Jackson was a girl with a gravelly voice who opened for Elvis Presley in the 1950s, nobody had ever heard a woman sing like that before. By then, Presley was already gyrating his way to superstardom. But Jackson - called the "queen of rockabilly" for her gritty, feisty performances - couldn't even get her songs played on the radio. "It's like they just got their heads together and said, `We will not help this girl do it,'" the 73-year-old Jackson recalls. "They just wouldn't play my records if it was the rock stuff. So it didn't take long before I was putting a country song on one side of a record and a rock song on the other." Jackson's old acoustic guitar will be featured at a new exhibit dedicated to female artists that opens Friday at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in downtown Cleveland. "Women Who Rock: Vision, Passion, Power" chronicles the pioneering role of women in rock 'n' roll, from Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith to Bikini Kill and Lady GaGa. The hall of fame had toyed with the idea of opening such an exhibit for years, and it gained traction after Cyndi Lauper paid a visit last year and watched a film about the roots of rock, said Jim Henke, vice president of exhibitions and curatorial affairs. "She thought it was too male-dominated," Henke says, "and she wondered where the female artists were." Museum officials say just about 9 percent of its inductees are women - a reflection of the rock industry, which was a macho culture at its core, says Glenn Altschuler, a Cornell University professor who wrote the book "All Shook Up: How Rock n' Roll Changed America." "Women were the subjects of songs," Altschuler says. "They were the objects of affection. But they appeared in the audience and not on the stage." There weren't many role models for women who wanted to make it big in the early years, says Shirley Alston Reeves, a member of the hit 1960s girl group The Shirelles. "You know, somebody has to break the ice," Reeves says. "We wanted to do it because we enjoyed the male groups and the harmonies, and we thought it would be a good idea." Darlene Love, who is considered to be one of the greatest background singers of all time, says many women sang backup vocals because the prevailing belief was that they ought to stay in the background. At the peak of her career, Love sang on records for the likes of The Beach Boys, Frank Sinatra and Luther Vandross. "Women are the backbone of rock," she says. "If you listen to every record that has probably been recorded in the last 60, 70 years, there are women in the background, not men." Gender discrimination was still alive and well in the 1970s, when some radio stations would not allow deejays to play two singles by female artists in a row. And for women such as Nancy and Ann Wilson, who were just beginning to form a little rock band called Heart, there were industry assumptions about who they were supposed to be as artists. "You can't be aggressive, you know - you have to be a little shy, retiring female," says Ann Wilson, who some critics say is one of the best rock singers in music. "Well, you know, that doesn't fly with us." Since rock was "invented by men to get girls," as Wilson puts it, female artists struggled to mold the industry in their own image. "Just because we're female, we don't necessarily think we have to come out dressed as porn stars," she says. "There's more than one way that it can be. You have choices." The museum exhibit itself is an exercise in contrasts. There's the gold bustier Madonna wore during her "Blond Ambition" tour and handwritten lyrics from Joni Mitchell's first album. There's Bonnie Raitt's dobro guitar and a Mickey Mouse Club jacket worn by Christina Aguilera. There's the nude rhinestone outfit that Britney Spears famously revealed at MTV's Video Music Awards in 2000 and Stevie Nicks' handwritten lyrics to "Stand Back." Oh, and let's not forget Lady GaGa's infamous "meat dress," which is also on display. Visitors can watch a short story about how women in rock have shaped music, and the museum will host educational programming throughout the year highlighting the history of female recording artists. On Friday, Jackson and Lauper will headline the museum's annual benefit concert. It is a triumphant moment for Jackson, who is enjoying the most success she can remember as she tours the country performing with Jack White - formerly of The White Stripes - promoting the new album they recorded together. "The new fans of our little simple '50s rock music, they have gone back and found all these songs and sing along with me," Jackson says, "And I thought, `Man, this is what I wanted in the '50s and '60s but never had that opportunity. So I'm certainly enjoying it big-time now." Some artists, though, are not so sure that times have changed as much as they'd like. The industry still pressures female artists to play up their sexuality because that's what sells, says Liz Phair, who is most lauded for her 1993 album, "Exile in Guyville." The pressure was so intense, Phair says, that she felt she had been stuffed into a "little typical box" and tried to turn the exploitation on its head. But she has since learned to coexist with the status quo. "There was a moment when the cool girls were kicking ass and taking names," Phair says. "And right now it's the hot girl. I'm happy, personally, as long as our numbers are up." www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/genre/rock-and-pop/lady-gaga-to-ma-rainy-women-who-rock-exhibition-1005182372.story
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 13, 2011 9:45:33 GMT -5
www.cantonrep.com/carousel/x447609618/-Women-In-Rock-exhibition-opens-today“Women In Rock" exhibition opens today By Dan Kane CantonRep.com staff writer There’s quite a party going down on the fifth and sixth floors of the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame and Museum. Madonna, Rihanna, Gaga, Britney, Chrissie, Christina, Tina, Alicia, Stevie, Aretha, even Yoko — they’re all present and accounted for. These formidable ladies aren’t personally hanging out at the rock hall for the next year, although it seems likely that some will stop by for a look-see. Yet their collective charisma and style, talent and success permeate “Women In Rock: Vision, Passion, Power,” a major new exhibition opening today. Spotlighting more than 60 artists, from 1920s blues star Bessie Smith to freshly minted superstar Taylor Swift, the exhibition is bursting with rare artifacts and videos that illustrate “the female spirit as the engine of creation and change in the music,” as Jim Henke, the museum’s vice president of curatorial affairs, eloquently puts it. “There’s all kinds of different stories here, like how Ruth Brown was so important to Atlantic Records in the 1950s that it was known as ‘the house that Ruth built,’ ” says Lauren Onkey, vice president of education. “And how the girl groups in the ’60s were important not just as chart-toppers but as a launching pad for songwriters like Carole King and Ellie Greenwich. And how punk music really opened up the doors for women as drummers and bass guitarists. THE WOW FACTORWith concert footage candid video interviews of featured artists, recognizable stage costumes, handwritten song lyrics, musical instruments and other personal effects of beloved performers, “Women in Rock” is certain to stimulate and educate visitors. “I want there to be so many moments of revelation,” assistant curator Meredith Rutledge says. “I want people to come around a corner, see something they’ve never seen before and say, ‘Wow! I didn’t know this.’ ” While some of the artifacts on display are part of the rock hall’s permanent collection, “the majority it we went out and collected,” Rutledge says. She dealt personally with artists as diverse as Michelle Phillips (Mamas and the Papas), Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson (The B-52’s), Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) and Cyndi Lauper. “Cyndi actually was really instrumental in getting this exhibit off the ground,” Rutledge says. “She came to visit the museum a few years ago when she was on tour and she said, ‘Where are the women?!’ ” Lauper loaned the iconic ensemble from the cover of her “She’s So Unusual” album — “a thrift-store-special skirt, a Maidenform bustier that she dyed red, lots of beads and bangles, and red pumps,” Rutledge notes. About obtaining mementoes from stars, Rutledge says, “You never know who’s going to be approachable and who’s going to be in a fortress behind a moat. We’ve got some wonderful stuff from Lady Gaga and Rihanna. Gaga was in town doing a concert and her father and several members of her entourage came to visit the museum and they were lovely people. They must have gone back and talked to Stefani, because we got the upright piano her grandparents gave her when she was 4 years old and her outfit from the Grammy Awards in 2010 where she performed with Elton John. “With Rihanna, I just made a call to her management and within a couple of weeks we had some amazing things sent here that she actually gave to the museum as a gift.” THE GENDER ISSUEWhile “we were overwhelmed in general by the response from artists who were so excited we were doing this exhibit,” Rutledge found that some women in rock don’t like being defined by their gender. “Patti Smith is very opinionated about the subject. She thinks of herself as an artist and a poet and she’s not interested in being categorized in any other way. But I think she’d enjoy this exhibit. She has tremendous respect for those who came before her,” Rutledge says. When she contacted Kim Deal, the Dayton native who sings and plays bass with the Pixies and the Breeders, “Kim literally talked my ear off about how she didn’t want to be pigeonholed as a ‘woman in rock’ and how dangerous that is and how it doesn’t advance the cause. And then she sent us a bass and clothes anyway.” To Rutledge, “this isn’t just a women’s story, this is a human story with plenty of diversity beyond gender.” “I’m excited about all the instruments!” she says, referring to Bonnie Rait’s dobro guitar, Talking Head Tina Weymouth’s bass, and White Stripe Meg White’s peppermint-striped bass drum among others. “While the clothing is beautiful, we didn’t want this to be just a fashion show. We want to show these artists as musicians.” Visitors will bring their personal tastes, experiences and nostalgia with them to “Women in Rock.” “It’s all chronological, and you can find your own connections as you move through it,” Onkey says. “You realize how big the story is and how many voices are integral to it. It’s the impact of the exhibit as a whole that gets to me.”
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 13, 2011 10:02:31 GMT -5
Holidayguy, I know this isn't the right thread to ask you this but do you think Mariah will be inducted in the Hall of Fame once she's eligible? I just want you honest opinion.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 13, 2011 10:06:48 GMT -5
^When Mimi becomes eligible, she likely will not be considered for induction. That's not to say that possibly somewhere down the line, the Hall won't consider her (look at Neil Diamond- 22 years of eligibility before his induction), but looking at all things considered, I doubt that she would be near the top of the list of possible nominees. if Janet Jackson has not been on the nominees list in the four years since her eligibility, I doubt Mimi would be. Whitney Houston also was not on the nominees list in her first two years of eligibility.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 13, 2011 10:10:13 GMT -5
Have they inducted Whitney or just nominated?
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 13, 2011 10:15:03 GMT -5
^Neither. She became eligible in 2009 (for the 2010 ceremony). As much as Mimi went more toward pop/hip-hop later on, Whitney set the mold there and if the Hall passes on Whitney, again, I doubt Mimi would get serious consideration.
This exhibit featured 70-something women, and I haven not seen a mention of either Whitney or Mariah in any of the articles. On the flip side, when you look at the contemporary acts included, that doesn't necessarily indicate that they will be induction favorites upon their eligibility, either.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 13, 2011 10:16:29 GMT -5
^I find that so odd though. I honestly do. But I guess I can see where they're coming from.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 18, 2011 18:52:40 GMT -5
rockhall.com/education/resources/women-rock-resources/So, here are the women featured in this exhibit. Not sure why Melissa Etheridge is with the 70s group, but... maybe because she was influenced by it? Suffragettes to Juke-Joint Mamas: The Foremothers/Roots of Rock Bessie Smith Billie Holiday Ma Rainey Mahalia Jackson Mother Maybelle Carter Sister Rosetta Tharpe Get Outta That Kitchen, Rattle Those Pots and Pans: Rock and Roll EmergesBrenda Lee LaVern Baker Ruth Brown Wanda Jackson Will You Love Me Tomorrow: The Early 1960s/Girl GroupsCarole King Cynthia Weil Ellie Greenwich Lesley Gore Goldie & the Gingerbreads The Ronnettes The Shangri-las The Shirelles The Supremes Darlene Love Revolution: The Counterculture and the Pill: The Late 1960sAretha Franklin Bonnie Raitt Grace Slick Janis Joplin Joni Mitchell Laura Nyro Loretta Lynn Mavis Staples Mama Cass Elliot Michelle Phillips Odetta Tina Turner I Will Survive: The 1970s- Rockers to Disco DivasJoan Jett The Runaways Cher Donna Summer Heart Pat Benatar Stevie Nicks Melissa Etheridge Linda Ronstadt Dance This Mess Around: Punk and Post PunkChrissie Hynde B-52s Debbie Harry Kim Deal Kim Gordon Marianne Faithfull Patti Smith Siouxie Sioux Tina Weymouth Yoko Ono Causing a Commotion: Madonna and the Pop ExplosionJanet Jackson Britney Spears Christina Aguilera Cyndi Lauper Gwen Stefani Sheila E. Shakira Madonna Ladies First: The 90s and the New MillenniumBikini Kill Alicia Keys Faith Hill Carrie Underwood Lady Gaga Liz Phair Meg White Queen Latifah Rihanna Taylor Swift Janelle Monae
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Post by Black Jesus on May 18, 2011 19:36:48 GMT -5
Where the FUCK is Kelly Clarkson?
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Post by Eqbk on May 18, 2011 22:24:32 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what the criteria for choosing the artists included are. As much as I love her, the inclusion of Janelle Monae seems rather odd and random. Not that I mind, she's highly talented and I'm glad she's getting some highly deserved recognition.
I may be a little biased but I'm surprised Shania wasn't included. She hasn't released many albums but she still made a definite impact regardless. I'm also surprised at the exclusion of Beyonce since she's been such a presence in the music scene this past decade.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 0:33:00 GMT -5
Where the f**k is Kelly Clarkson? Really. Carrie but no Kelly? For shame R&R HoF. >:(
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 19, 2011 8:50:27 GMT -5
Well, the exhibit itself is not the Hall of Fame, like the regular Hall of Fame operates. Maybe for some, it was a matter of being able to get hold of memorabilia? Who knows.
There are females in the exhibit who have been eligible for the Hall of Fame for some time, but have not been inducted or even nominated (i.e. Cher, Heart), and others for a shorter time (Janet Jackson). And, I seriously doubt Faith Hill, for instance, will be considered for the Hall of Fame when she's eligible.
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 19, 2011 8:53:31 GMT -5
Heart could get a look in next year as they just released an album that went top 10.
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Post by Stephen on May 19, 2011 12:42:26 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood is a superstar. Kelly's star faded. I don't get why that's so hard to comprehend?
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 19, 2011 12:45:46 GMT -5
Well, the exhibit itself is not the Hall of Fame, like the regular Hall of Fame operates. Maybe for some, it was a matter of being able to get hold of memorabilia? Who knows. Yup, it has to be this. I guess that gum Xtina threw at her fans last year made her get on that list.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 19, 2011 14:17:41 GMT -5
^Not really a list, per se, but, possibly. hehe
chato, the Rock Hall isn't about commercial success/charts, so I don't think Heart's top 10 placement matters too much.
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 19, 2011 14:20:29 GMT -5
chato, the Rock Hall isn't about commercial success/charts, so I don't think Heart's top 10 placement matters too much. But it put them back in the public eye, sort of, for that moment. You know a number of inductions have been approriate mostly for when a veteran act releases a new album!
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 19, 2011 14:24:54 GMT -5
Yes- but that sometimes happens when around the time of the release. heart released its album right before the Hall of Fame committee met to discuss nominees.
I think Heart should be considered- but like Chicago, I think the slick '80s-beyond material may have hurt its chances.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 14:37:53 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood is a superstar. Kelly's star faded. I don't get why that's so hard to comprehend? Carrie Underwood may be a superstar in country music, but the last time I checked, this was the ROCK and ROLL Hall of Fame, not the country one.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 19, 2011 14:50:32 GMT -5
^That doesn't mean its ROCK, literally.
Rock and roll (often written as rock & roll or rock 'n' roll) is a genre of popular music that originated and evolved in the United States during the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from a combination of the blues, country music, jazz, and gospel music.
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Post by floridagrl on May 19, 2011 15:17:53 GMT -5
Suffragettes to Juke-Joint Mamas: The Foremothers/Roots of Rock Get Outta That Kitchen, Rattle Those Pots and Pans: Rock and Roll EmergesWill You Love Me Tomorrow: The Early 1960s/Girl GroupsRevolution: The Counterculture and the Pill: The Late 1960sI Will Survive: The 1970s- Rockers to Disco DivasDance This Mess Around: Punk and Post PunkCausing a Commotion: Madonna and the Pop ExplosionLadies First: The 90s and the New Millennium I love the catagories. Very cool.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 19, 2011 15:26:36 GMT -5
It's true that the Rock Hall is not just about "rock" (I've lost track of how many times that's been discussed). But, country music is underrepresented in the Rock Hall- and that may have to do with the fact that the Country Music Hall of Fame predated the Rock Hall by some 25 years.
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