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Post by PDC1987 on Apr 12, 2011 23:58:09 GMT -5
OMG, I love how the alternative chart is changing. Its like the 90s again when females were able to go Top 20 amongst so many males. I got so happy when I saw this in the Top 20 and the Three Days Grace new single flopping. I'd much rather see "Lost in You" in the Top 20 than this. Three Days Grace is better. Also, Alternative is changing for the worse. I want it to go back to 2005. Why? Because they're playing more than just Alternative Rock? You're just gonna have to get over that.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Apr 13, 2011 1:52:22 GMT -5
I'd much rather see "Lost in You" in the Top 20 than this. Three Days Grace is better. Also, Alternative is changing for the worse. I want it to go back to 2005. Why? Because they're playing more than just Alternative Rock? You're just gonna have to get over that. I know, but I guess I've just gotten really used to the bands introduced to me then that I'm having trouble with these new bands that are popping up.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Apr 13, 2011 1:56:26 GMT -5
I'd much rather see "Lost in You" in the Top 20 than this. Three Days Grace is better. Also, Alternative is changing for the worse. I want it to go back to 2005. 2005 wasn't a bad year but it was still lacking diversity and at least there was no Three Days Grace to abuse our ears! Not a fan of Three Days Grace I see. I think they make pretty good music.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 13, 2011 10:03:33 GMT -5
Also, Alternative is changing for the worse. I want it to go back to 2005. I kind of feel like there wasn't an Alternative format in 2005 - just former Alt. stations that evolved into Active Rock I disagree with this. Alternative radio wasn't as indie-leaning back then, but it had Fall Out Boy, Muse, Green Day, and a handful of non-active rock artists charting. And there were plenty of songs that went top 10 on active rock that went top 30 or top 40 on alternative, but no higher...just like now. Active and Alternative were much more similar at the beginning of the decade when nu-metal dominated both formats. I like a lot of the more artsy nu-metal bands so that era was fine by me.
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Post by Devin on Apr 13, 2011 13:35:32 GMT -5
I kind of feel like there wasn't an Alternative format in 2005 - just former Alt. stations that evolved into Active Rock I disagree with this. Alternative radio wasn't as indie-leaning back then, but it had Fall Out Boy, Muse, Green Day, and a handful of non-active rock artists charting. And there were plenty of songs that went top 10 on active rock that went top 30 or top 40 on alternative, but no higher...just like now. Active and Alternative were much more similar at the beginning of the decade when nu-metal dominated both formats. I like a lot of the more artsy nu-metal bands so that era was fine by me. Not exactly. I would guess if "Porn Star Dancing" (for example) was released in 2005, it would reach Top 10 on alternative while reaching #1 on active like it has, and I would hazard to guess that it would've had a legit chance at Top 5 on alt too. Nowadays, Indie-rock is basically taking over alt radio, so bands like My Darkest Days only get barely Top 20, if that. In the case of Three Days Grace, they are a more established artist on alt, they've done better on alt in the past, and they are more alt-leaning (nu-metal/alt-metal) than most metal and post-grunge musicians out now.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Apr 13, 2011 17:54:53 GMT -5
I think Alternative is in the best state it's been in years, possibly even since the mid-90's. And I feel like it's more true to its name. I don't have any major problem with nu-metal or post-grunge, but I feel like that music is better off on Active Rock stations. To me, Adele is more alternative than something like "Country Song".
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Post by Devin on Apr 13, 2011 18:06:04 GMT -5
I think Alternative is in the best state it's been in years, possibly even since the mid-90's. And I feel like it's more true to its name. I don't have any major problem with nu-metal or post-grunge, but I feel like that music is better off on Active Rock stations. To me, Adele is more alternative than something like "Country Song". Which I agree with completely. Although I think "Country Song" will still at least reach Top 5 on alternative, because of their name, establishment, and all their singles from the last album reached Top 5.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 14, 2011 4:45:55 GMT -5
I disagree with this. Alternative radio wasn't as indie-leaning back then, but it had Fall Out Boy, Muse, Green Day, and a handful of non-active rock artists charting. And there were plenty of songs that went top 10 on active rock that went top 30 or top 40 on alternative, but no higher...just like now. Active and Alternative were much more similar at the beginning of the decade when nu-metal dominated both formats. I like a lot of the more artsy nu-metal bands so that era was fine by me. Not exactly. I would guess if "Porn Star Dancing" (for example) was released in 2005, it would reach Top 10 on alternative while reaching #1 on active like it has, and I would hazard to guess that it would've had a legit chance at Top 5 on alt too. Nowadays, Indie-rock is basically taking over alt radio, so bands like My Darkest Days only get barely Top 20, if that. In the case of Three Days Grace, they are a more established artist on alt, they've done better on alt in the past, and they are more alt-leaning (nu-metal/alt-metal) than most metal and post-grunge musicians out now. Nope. Maybe in '08 when alternative had a cock rock phase with Saving Abel and Theory Of A Deadman scored thee top 10 hits between them. In '05, Hinder hit #4 with "Get Stoned" on the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart and #37 on the Billboard Alternative (Hot Modern Rock Tracks) chart. While "Lips Of An Angel" did hit the top 10 on alternative, that song at the time was more of the exception than the rule...and "Porn Star Dancing" is far more comparable to "Get Stoned" than "Lips Of An Angel". Is alternative the LEAST active rock leaning it's been in years, right now? Yes. But to use 2005 as a reference year for when alternative was the same as active rock is stupid. The beginning of the decade as well as 2008 (randomly) were the years that alternative was active rock-lite. *2008 also saw Disturbed score a top 5 hit on alternative for the first time in awhile with "Inside The Fire" and "Indestructible" hit #10 on Billboard alternative. Prior to that, Disturbed hadn't had a top 10 hit, let alone a top 5 hit on alternative since 2002. Metallica also had their only top 10 (and top 5) hit on Billboard alternative/modern rock of their career in 2008 when "The Day That Never Comes" hit #5. Some of the perception of change in the format is due to mediabase. Many of the borderline stations that were listed as alternative two years ago are now considered active rock. Their playlists haven't changed, but they have gone from active-leaning alternative stations to alternative-leaning active rock stations based solely on what format they are monitored for. Given these stations may play their power rotation songs as many as 40 or 50 times a week, a difference of 10 stations on the panel can be the difference of > 300 spins for the active rock-leaning songs and maybe < 100 spins for the more alt-leaning songs. That difference in of itself can account for ~10 spots on the alternative chart for the active rock-leaning songs, and with a handful of those songs out of the way, can help the more alt-leaning songs gain a few spots in their positions each week. Billboard has made fewer of these format changes than Mediabase, which is why active rock-leaning songs tend to chart higher on Billboard alternative than on Mediabase alternative.
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Post by Devin on Apr 14, 2011 5:37:52 GMT -5
Okay, would you agree that if "Porn Star Dancing" was released the summer of '08, would it have had a legit shot at Top 5?
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 14, 2011 7:27:26 GMT -5
Define legit. I think it would have approached the top 10, if not reached it. I think its alternative performance would have been similar to what Sick Puppies' "You're Going Down" did last year, but with a slower rise up the chart. But that prediction acknowledges an outside shot at a top 5.
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Post by Devin on Apr 14, 2011 13:05:34 GMT -5
Define legit. 1. Legitimate; legal; conforming to the rules. 2. (of a person) Not engaging in illegal activity or attempting to deceive; honest. So basically without payola.
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Post by lockebox on Apr 14, 2011 17:31:28 GMT -5
I thought you meant "good chance" when you said "legit shot." No way would "Porn Star Dancing" have ever gone top 5. Nickelback (minus-"Gotta Be Somebody") were struggling for a top 20 on Alt. in 08. I doubt My Darkest Days would have faired any better.
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Post by Devin on Apr 14, 2011 18:28:46 GMT -5
^ I think "Porn Star Dancing" is more alt-leaning than "Burn It to the Ground"/"Something In Your Mouth". You can't really compare PSD to those two songs.
And I was surprised when "Gotta Be Somebody" reached #10 in '08 while it reached #9 on active. :o Although GBS isn't really a rock song.
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Post by lockebox on Apr 14, 2011 18:34:12 GMT -5
^ "Something in Your Mouth," also. I was surprised "Porn Star Dancing" got as far as it did on Alt.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 14, 2011 19:05:57 GMT -5
Yeah Dev, I wasn't ACTUALLY looking for a definition of legit. What I meant, was how good of a shot did it need to be considered a legit shot at a top 5. 10%? 25%? 50%? 75%? etc.... I think I would have given it a small chance ( ~ 10% ) to hit the top 5 on alternative in 2008 ASSUMING that it would have reached #1 on active rock then, which in 2005 it wouldn't have, but in 2008 it almost definitely would have.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Apr 15, 2011 0:53:53 GMT -5
*2008 also saw Disturbed score a top 5 hit on alternative for the first time in awhile with "Inside The Fire" and "Indestructible" hit #10 on Billboard alternative. Prior to that, Disturbed hadn't had a top 10 hit, let alone a top 5 hit on alternative since 2002. I thought surely you had overlooked "Stricken," but nope: #11.
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Post by MoreAdventurous on Apr 15, 2011 12:11:47 GMT -5
OMG, I love how the alternative chart is changing. Its like the 90s again when females were able to go Top 20 amongst so many males. I got so happy when I saw this in the Top 20 and the Three Days Grace new single flopping. I'm all for female artists charting on Alt., but I'd much prefer that actual ROCK artists/bands were, not Adele. In 2005, Garbage hit the top 10 with "Why Do You Love Me". Bands like Garbage, Metric, Paramore, Shiny Toy Guns - they deserve to be successful on this format, but hearing Adele is just jarring. Side note: I LOVE "Lost in You".
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Post by lockebox on Apr 15, 2011 12:46:59 GMT -5
I'm all for female artists charting on Alt., but I'd much prefer that actual ROCK artists/bands were, not Adele. In 2005, Garbage hit the top 10 with "Why Do You Love Me". Bands like Garbage, Metric, Paramore, Shiny Toy Guns - they deserve to be successful on this format, but hearing Adele is just jarring. Side note: I LOVE "Lost in You". Totally agree with this.
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 15, 2011 15:32:31 GMT -5
I'm all for female artists charting on Alt., but I'd much prefer that actual ROCK artists/bands were, not Adele. I don't really think of Death Cab as "Rock" though either - and even Mumford & Sons is pretty marginal Back when the Alternative format was founded I don't think they necessarily had "rock" in mind at all (i. e. Depeche Mode, Psychadelic Furs, etc.)
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Post by pen on Apr 15, 2011 15:35:35 GMT -5
But those bands are rock... from a certain point of view.
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Post by The Party Captain on Apr 15, 2011 15:40:03 GMT -5
As much as I love this, Kurt Cobain is probably rolling in his grave.
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Post by lockebox on Apr 15, 2011 17:03:37 GMT -5
I'm all for female artists charting on Alt., but I'd much prefer that actual ROCK artists/bands were, not Adele. I don't really think of Death Cab as "Rock" though either - and even Mumford & Sons is pretty marginal Back when the Alternative format was founded I don't think they necessarily had "rock" in mind at all (i. e. Depeche Mode, Psychadelic Furs, etc.) People called it "Modern Rock"/"Alt-Rock" back then, so I think they did. Billboard only renamed this chart in mid-09. As much as I love this, Kurt Cobain is probably rolling in his grave. Gotta agree with this, too. Adele isn't what the Alt. chart should be about. I'll shut up now.
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Post by MoreAdventurous on Apr 15, 2011 18:21:39 GMT -5
As much as I love this, Kurt Cobain is probably rolling in his grave. Too true. I'll shut up now too; I don't mean to hate on Adele or her success, but isn't this song being played enough on other formats anyway? lol /rant
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Post by jvandyck87 on Apr 15, 2011 19:49:33 GMT -5
I think Kurt Cobain would be much more upset about 80's hair metal revivalists charting on alternative in the late 2000s rather than Adele. If Fiona Apple was considered alternative in the 90's, then I'd say Hinder is much more of a departure from what the alternative format was based on than Adele.
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 15, 2011 20:44:38 GMT -5
Do you guys think Kurt Cobain would be happy about Florence & The Machine charting on Alternative? - Lol this keeps going around in circles, but I just think Adele is being singled out cause she's a solo female artist instead of a band - if Florence had gone by her first and last name, I wonder if this would've been a huge issue back then
And I agree with JVandyck - I can see Kurt Cobain liking Adele much more than I can see him liking Buckcherry or Hinder
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Post by pen on Apr 15, 2011 20:50:09 GMT -5
Man fuck Kurt Cobain.
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Post by chillpill on Apr 15, 2011 21:04:56 GMT -5
Yeah, why does it matter what he thinks? ???
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 15, 2011 21:32:40 GMT -5
Some of you are overreacting way too much, in the '90s, Suzanne Vega and Sinead O'Connor had consistent hits on alternative and "Rolling In The Deep" doesn't vary much from the material that Suzanne & Sinead have sung in the past. And it fits the alternative genre to a T since the buzz the track has earned in the underground scene since it premiered in November.
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