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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 10:39:52 GMT -5
This is from the ex-singer of alt/pop band Fall Out Boy. Goes for adds next week from Billboard.biz. Have not heard, but I liked a lot of Fall Out Boy's early work.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 11:48:40 GMT -5
He's not the ex-singer, he's the singer.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 11:51:04 GMT -5
Stump has publicly stated on at least two occasions he is no longer with Fall Out Boy. Sounds like ex to me.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 12:00:00 GMT -5
Stump has publicly stated on at least two occasions he is no longer with Fall Out Boy. Sounds like ex to me. Links please? By all accounts they're on a hiatus. They haven't said they'll get back together, but they haven't said that they won't either. They're just doing different things right now, kind of like the System Of A Down situation.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 12:51:26 GMT -5
None handy, but the first I read of it was in Spin magazine a few months back. The article also mentioned him posting it on his twitter.com 'blog. Maybe he's rejoined since then, but not that I've heard.
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Post by Devin on Mar 1, 2011 13:05:27 GMT -5
They are on hiatus. I'll back that up.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:19:35 GMT -5
None handy, but the first I read of it was in Spin magazine a few months back. The article also mentioned him posting it on his twitter.com 'blog. Maybe he's rejoined since then, but not that I've heard. www.spin.com/articles/patrick-stump-im-not-fall-out-boyI'm sure this is the article you're referring to, and the members since stated that those comments were blown way out of proportion. Stump's comments pretty much back up the whole hiatus thing anyway, and there have been articles since then that reconfirmed it. They haven't talked about FOB much lately in the last year cause Stump is doing his solo act, Wentz is in The Black Cards, and the others are in The Damned Things. They're not saying never though, they're just saying not now.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 13:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:22:11 GMT -5
Hahahaha, you deleted your post so you could add the article that I just posted.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 13:24:22 GMT -5
Nice, same link within seconds of either. Good thing Spin's web site is easy to search. But I think the title says it all, or at least it did then.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:28:14 GMT -5
Nice, same link within seconds of either. Good thing Spin's web site is easy to search. But I think the title says it all, or at least it did then. That was Spin putting their Spin on his words. If you read what he said, it doesn't sound like that at all. What he said is that he's not in FOB right now. Which is true. Jesus man, can't you just thank me for clarifying things for you or is that too much for your pride to handle?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 13:31:30 GMT -5
Pride? If Stump's exact quote was ""I'm not in Fall Out Boy right now, but one way or another, the band will always be around," I have no other reason to believe he's the ex-singer. Maybe you interpreted it differently, but I was only providing the proof of where he's no longer in the band. Like I said, that was several months ago. Things may have changed since then that I haven't read.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:40:16 GMT -5
Pride? If Stump's exact quote was ""I'm not in Fall Out Boy right now, but one way or another, the band will always be around," I have no other reason to believe he's the ex-singer. Maybe you interpreted it differently, but I was only providing the proof of where he's no longer in the band. Like I said, that was several months ago. Things may have changed since then that I haven't read. Oh my god, are you not listening to what I'm saying? All of them are not in the band right now because they are on hiatus. They are doing other things. Stump is not in the band because he's doing solo, Wentz is not in the band because he's doing Black Cards, the others are doing Damned Things. I don't understand how you can be such an ignorant fuck about this. You got something wrong. You misinterpreted something. Fine, it happens to the best of us. Why can't you just accept that and say, okay guys, my bad, I misunderstood.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 13:46:07 GMT -5
As you just said, Stump is not in the band. The term "ex-singer" applies exactly as used. If they reform, with Stump on vocals, then that label will be removed. This is only about Reply #1 above, not about the band. But nothing was "got wrong" as you say.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:49:02 GMT -5
Let me ask you this. Do you consider Serj Tankian to be the ex-singer of System Of A Down?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 13:50:46 GMT -5
Not at all. I've never read in a music magazine from his own words that he's no longer in the band. System Of A Down is between albums, with another one planned. Fall Out Boy appears to have quite a different situation without their most famous member / lead singer.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 1, 2011 13:53:01 GMT -5
I feel like he's not their most famous member, which is rare for a band to not have their lead singer be the most famous. But as someone who doesn't really listen to Fall Out Boy (I don't dislike them either), I feel like I've heard Pete Wentz's name far more many times.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:57:43 GMT -5
Not at all. I've never read in a music magazine from his own words that he's no longer in the band. System Of A Down is between albums, with another one planned. Fall Out Boy appears to have quite a different situation without their most famous member / lead singer. So basically you didn't read or possibly even understand a single word I said.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 13:58:54 GMT -5
I feel like he's not their most famous member, which is rare for a band to not have their lead singer be the most famous. But as someone who doesn't really listen to Fall Out Boy (I don't dislike them either), I feel like I've heard Pete Wentz's name far more many times. It is kind of weird how things turned out that way. I can't think of any other band with that kind of situation. Also, you're a reasonable guy. Am I speaking English in this thread? Do I need to get high to speak a language that Ziff understands?
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Post by jvandyck87 on Mar 1, 2011 14:05:09 GMT -5
Haha yeah Ziffster, I like going to bat for you buddy, but I think you need to re-read slowly and process each point here. If a whole band is on hiatus (just like with System Of A Down), then no one is an ex-member because the band is currently inactive but have not disbanded. The implication is that if (and probably when) they do eventually reactivate, it will be the same lineup as before. So to be consistent, you'd have to call Serj the ex-singer of System Of A Down (or at least you would have had to have called him that a year or two ago, now the plans for their reunion are a bit more solid if I'm remembering correctly).
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 14:06:54 GMT -5
I have to disagree, because I've never heard Wentz mentioned with any other music project, other than his new band. Stump has had several hits away from the band. I'm not sure how Wentz is more famous.
Tankian has never been quoted as saying "I'm not with the band anymore." That's the major difference in the two situations.
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Post by bamaefule on Mar 1, 2011 14:09:19 GMT -5
Ha I saw 20 replies for this and assumed it was a debate about the quality of the song...haha. It's not a bad song, and the video is pretty awesome.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 14:12:06 GMT -5
I have to disagree, because I've never heard Wentz mentioned with any other music project, other than his new band. Stump has had several hits away from the band. I'm not sure how Wentz is more famous. Tankian has never been quoted as saying "I'm not with the band anymore." That's the major difference in the two situations. You keep removing the modifier "right now" from that quotation when you know those two words make all the difference as to intent. Also, what hits has Stump had away from FOB? And Wentz has had way more face time in the media spotlight.
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Post by bamaefule on Mar 1, 2011 14:19:03 GMT -5
I have to disagree, because I've never heard Wentz mentioned with any other music project, other than his new band. Stump has had several hits away from the band. I'm not sure how Wentz is more famous. Tankian has never been quoted as saying "I'm not with the band anymore." That's the major difference in the two situations. You keep removing the modifier "right now" from that quotation when you know those two words make all the difference as to intent. Also, what hits has Stump had away from FOB? And Wentz has had way more face time in the media spotlight. Probably his features in Gym Class Heroes two hits, "Cupid's Chokehold" and "Clothes Offf".
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 14:20:14 GMT -5
I assumed "right now" still qualifies as right now since he's never claimed to have rejoined the band. I don't know any specific titles of Stump's hits, but I remember him covering the Supertramp classic Breakfast In America. He also had a charting single with The Roots I believe. Aren't there more?
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 14:42:19 GMT -5
He never left the band. The quotation that headlines that article was chopped to be shocking. The only thing he said was "I'm not in Fall Out Boy right now." And all that means is that he's doing other things.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 14:43:03 GMT -5
He also had a charting single with The Roots I believe. Aren't there more? It's more fair to say that The Roots had a charting single with him since it was their single.
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Post by Devin on Mar 1, 2011 15:05:15 GMT -5
I feel like he's not their most famous member, which is rare for a band to not have their lead singer be the most famous. But as someone who doesn't really listen to Fall Out Boy (I don't dislike them either), I feel like I've heard Pete Wentz's name far more many times. It is kind of weird how things turned out that way. I can't think of any other band with that kind of situation. Possibly Slash is more popular than Axl Rose in Guns N' Roses. And I think Flea's name has been thrown around more than Anthony Kiedis.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 16:34:32 GMT -5
Slash, maybe. Flea I'm not so sure. AC/DC, The Rolling Stones, Sex Pistols, The Jimi Hendryx Experience, Cream, Stillwater (c'mon, give me this one), and Santana immediately jump to mind where the lead vocalists take a backseat to the superstar.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 20:43:50 GMT -5
where the lead vocalists take a backseat to the superstar. In The Sex Pistols' case it's a little unfair considering that Sid never did anything important in the band, rarely showed up audible on record, and is mostly famous for being a total idiot and dying for it. If anything though I would say that John Lydon never took a backseat in any way. Same with the Rolling Stones. It's hard to say that Keith Richards in any way overshadowed Mick Jagger.
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