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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 21:11:46 GMT -5
I would definitely agree those two bands you mentioned are very debatable. Dare I suggest that adding Nirvana to that list isn't too far out of the question? Or will be someday?
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 21:18:09 GMT -5
I would definitely agree those two bands you mentioned are very debatable. Dare I suggest that adding Nirvana to that list isn't too far out of the question? Or will be someday? You really think Dave Grohl will ever overshadow Kurt Cobain. Come on now.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 21:36:59 GMT -5
Depends how you look at overshadowing. Cobain was a druggie martyr while Grohl has been the backbone of a far more successful band. Both will be Hall of Famers in a few years.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 21:38:44 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain was arguably the symbol of a generation and the figurehead for an entire genre of music. Dave Grohl, while prolific, will probably never achieve that status, as he's far smarter than that.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 21:43:40 GMT -5
That's one way of looking at it. I agree as a symbol and martyr, Kurt will always be more famous. But as a musician and a pure talent at everything he touches, Dave will achieve much more in a historical sense musically.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 22:10:47 GMT -5
Mmm, that's a little hard to say, because Kurt's claim to fame is not just symbolism. Nirvana's music broke out an entire genre, changed the face of rock music forever, and inspired countless imitators over the years. The Foo Fighters, great as they are, I'm not sure have ever had that kind of weight on the rock landscape, although I'm sure they're inspiring to people.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 1, 2011 22:14:47 GMT -5
Again, agreed. But you've segued into the importance of the bands, and Nirvana wins that hands down as of now. I was debating the importance of the two band members.
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Post by Ron57 on Mar 1, 2011 23:08:59 GMT -5
I think Dave Grohl is the more talented musician, but Cobain will always be bigger.
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Post by Ron57 on Mar 1, 2011 23:15:43 GMT -5
Not at all. I've never read in a music magazine from his own words that he's no longer in the band. System Of A Down is between albums, with another one planned. Fall Out Boy appears to have quite a different situation without their most famous member / lead singer. Where the hell have you been? They went on hiatus for like 4 years. No plan of a new album, even now after the reunion. Each did their own things for a while. Now just getting together for a tour for their fans right now.
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Post by pen on Mar 1, 2011 23:50:37 GMT -5
Again, agreed. But you've segued into the importance of the bands, and Nirvana wins that hands down as of now. I was debating the importance of the two band members. Well if we're talking band members and we're strictly speaking of Nirvana, then I'd say Dave's achievements in that band will never surpass Cobain's.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 2, 2011 9:17:20 GMT -5
That's why I said maybe, and eventually.
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Post by pen on Mar 2, 2011 9:54:05 GMT -5
That's why I said maybe, and eventually. Eventually's a little more certain of a word than maybe.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 2, 2011 13:01:46 GMT -5
Obviously The Rollings Stones and Nirvana are quite debatable. Anything more obvious though than the Experience and Santana?
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Post by heart2heart on Mar 2, 2011 13:15:22 GMT -5
this is an amazing single. i like both versions (oh nostalgia) and (new regrets). oh yeah, fob did not break up. just on a hiatus. trust me on this one.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Mar 2, 2011 15:49:20 GMT -5
I would say that Kurt's strength was being a stellar songwriter with a unique style that changed the course of rock music, while Dave's strength is being highly talented and versatile musician. (Not that he's a slouch at songwriting, though.) I think Kurt made a greater cultural impact, but both will go down in history. In any case, this is a far more interesting debate than the "ex-member" vs. "member" one. :)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 3, 2011 16:41:04 GMT -5
So does Cobain qualify as an ex-member of Nirvana?
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Post by pen on Mar 3, 2011 18:51:24 GMT -5
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Post by pen on Mar 3, 2011 18:52:00 GMT -5
Cue Ziff response: Glad to see he rejoined the band.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 3, 2011 20:12:36 GMT -5
Not once did anyone say the band broke up. Stump said he left the band.
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Post by pen on Mar 4, 2011 3:05:30 GMT -5
Not once did anyone say the band broke up. Stump said he left the band. Stump never did, that's what I've been saying all this time and even that original article indicated that, but if anything you would think the interview I just posted would appease you here since it's fucking Stump himself saying he's part of the band.
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Post by pen on Mar 4, 2011 3:06:05 GMT -5
Admit you were wrong dammit. Admit it. Admit it goddammit. For once in your life, admit you were wrong. It is possible for that to happen. It is possible for you to make a mistake. Admit it.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 4, 2011 9:29:45 GMT -5
The quote was directly from Stump. When we started the discussion, we had heard nothing about him rejoining the band. But the link you posted must have new information. Mystery solved! Nobody was wrong, Stump changed his mind since the Spin article. But nothing I posted or quoted was incorrect. It happens. Ask David Lee Roth.
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Post by pen on Mar 4, 2011 15:47:45 GMT -5
The quote was directly from Stump. When we started the discussion, we had heard nothing about him rejoining the band. But the link you posted must have new information. Mystery solved! Nobody was wrong, Stump changed his mind since the Spin article. But nothing I posted or quoted was incorrect. It happens. Ask David Lee Roth. Stump has just said that people took the things that he said the wrong way. By the way, the quote you keep talking about once again said that he wasn't in the band right then, and that's because the four of them were on a hiatus. I think you need to stop smoking weed cause it appears to be seriously damaging your reading comprehension skills.
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Post by pen on Mar 4, 2011 15:49:57 GMT -5
Honestly Ziff, if you would just admit you misunderstood Stump's intent you would save yourself so much face and actually look like an intelligent individual. I don't know if you keep playing dumb because you're too prideful to admit you were wrong or because you enjoy getting a rise out of people, but it is not doing you any favors. I want to like you. You do at least have some interesting remarks from time to time. But it's this blatant ignorance and inability to be a normal person with common sense that keeps me from enjoying your company.
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Post by Devin on Mar 4, 2011 16:08:51 GMT -5
Patrick Stump never left the band. The band went on hiatus and went their seperate ways to pursue new musical careers. I think Pete left to be a dad, Joe and Andy went on to form The Damned Things with members of Everytime I Die and Anthrax, and Patrick is doing a solo project apparently. In 5 years or less, I'm sure Fall Out Boy will be back in the studio with each other making new music. ;)
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Post by pen on Mar 4, 2011 16:24:10 GMT -5
Pete's doing the Black Cards.
I think no matter how many ways people try to insert these facts into this guy's brain, he is going to constantly refuse to believe it. He'll take this to his grave.
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Post by The Party Captain on Mar 5, 2011 0:00:16 GMT -5
Stump has publicly stated on at least two occasions he is no longer with Fall Out Boy. Sounds like ex to me. Links please? By all accounts they're on a hiatus. They haven't said they'll get back together, but they haven't said that they won't either. They're just doing different things right now, kind of like the System Of A Down situation. Come on, man, I know you're smarter than that. You know very well that a hiatus is just a breakup until the "oh shit, let's make cash" tour.
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Post by The Party Captain on Mar 5, 2011 0:02:43 GMT -5
I think Dave Grohl is the more talented musician, but Cobain will always be bigger. The fact that Dave was able to go from professional drummer for one of the greatest bands of all-time to the frontman, lead singer, and songwriter for one of the essential bands of this era is amazing. He could be a more complete musician than Kurt, but legacy-wise, I think he will always play second fiddle.
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Post by pen on Mar 5, 2011 8:11:22 GMT -5
Links please? By all accounts they're on a hiatus. They haven't said they'll get back together, but they haven't said that they won't either. They're just doing different things right now, kind of like the System Of A Down situation. Come on, man, I know you're smarter than that. You know very well that a hiatus is just a breakup until the "oh s**t, let's make cash" tour. Not always, and for example, in this case it's not. For example, every time Slipknot goes on hiatus for Stone Sour and Murderdolls, is that a breakup? No. Same goes for Creed and Alter Bridge now. Matchbox Twenty never broke up for Rob's solo project. The list goes on and on.
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Post by Devin on Mar 5, 2011 8:21:10 GMT -5
It's funny that basically this whole thread (gonna be 3 pages soon) will be about an ex-member vs. a band on hiatus.
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