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Post by California Cheers on Apr 11, 2011 20:57:42 GMT -5
This is a blatant attempt by Rihanna and/or her record label to get a #1 on the Hot 100 because without this, "S&M" looked like it was going to fall short. There may not be anything illegal about it, but it sure reeks of desperation. i like it, i like it .. |
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Post by musicissalvation on Apr 11, 2011 20:59:44 GMT -5
Desperation?  S&M went number 1 on the Pop charts and became her FIFTH CONSECUTIVE Radio #1...she broke enough records this week to even be pressed with number 1. Rihanna's fans tweeted that they wanted her to do a collaboration with Britney & Britney recently talked about wanting to do a collaboration with Rihanna. It's as simple as that. Did Def Jam see it as an opportunity to go number 1? I'm sure; however, i do not see any desperation in this at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 21:06:17 GMT -5
Desperation. All those other records are fine but nothing says success like the #1 position on the Hot 100 and Rihanna and her people are acutely aware of this. They wanted this to be Rihanna's 10th #1 hit so badly they could taste it, and it looked like that hope was fading until they decided to do this.
Or is it just a coincidence that they decided to release it this week? The last probable week it could reach #1 before being blocked by Gaga?
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Post by strikeleo on Apr 11, 2011 21:11:44 GMT -5
I don't get it. Katy did it too, adding Kanye West to the track and even going so far as including him in the music video.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 11, 2011 21:23:28 GMT -5
So what if S&M goes to #1 because of a gimmick. Is that the goal? Get the song the highest amount of airplay, sales, exposure, buzz, etc. Katy got her 4th #1, so it's not like it's a block attempt or anything like that.
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Post by antoinelk955 on Apr 11, 2011 21:27:33 GMT -5
So Will Rihanna & Britney Get Another #1 On Hot 100 Or Just Rihanna?
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Post by damku13 on Apr 11, 2011 21:30:18 GMT -5
So Will Rihanna & Britney Get Another #1 On Hot 100 Or Just Rihanna? I'm curious about that too... I imagine it's the one that is played on the radio most, which obviously is sans Britney |
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Post by Choco on Apr 11, 2011 21:40:52 GMT -5
Yes, unless the Britney remix overtakes the original's airplay before the song goes #1... It's not a Britney #1. I can already see the drama.
Katy's remix came when the song wasn't even out on radio yet, so the Kanye version is the 'single'. This new remix comes after the original song was already a big hit, just to get that #1 spot. I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't become a regular thing, but I fear it's most likely going to happen.
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 21:53:53 GMT -5
It increased, but I don't think it did enough to justify its reaching #1. Since you brought up Mariah's IDJ #1's, WBT is the only debatable one for its first week at #1 with the free downloads. Well, Shake it off was hijacked by Gold digger so it is a wash. GD didn't do anything shady to get to #1, though. Nor did Carrie Underwood's IMH which interrupted WBT's run. Funny thing, though had BB not counted those free downloads then it would have had only 13 weeks at the pole position. IGF would have then likely won the title of Song of the Decade. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 11, 2011 22:14:57 GMT -5
^what are u talking about? Billboard DID NOT count those free downloads. This is old news.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 11, 2011 22:17:15 GMT -5
Yes, unless the Britney remix overtakes the original's airplay before the song goes #1... It's not a Britney #1. I can already see the drama. And it won't. Once again Britney got used. |
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Post by ktucker13 on Apr 11, 2011 22:22:12 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Katy's people took the Kanye version of E.T. off iTunes for a while to raise the originals sales and then put the remix back on.
So, if Rihanna wants to release a remix to get S&M to #1 I say more power to you!
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Post by Eqbk on Apr 11, 2011 22:42:54 GMT -5
Yes, unless the Britney remix overtakes the original's airplay before the song goes #1... It's not a Britney #1. I can already see the drama. And it won't. Once again Britney got used. Hardly, TTWE is getting a remix w/ a feature. There's a good chance that the featured artist is Rhianna. I highly doubt Jive and Brit's management would have just given Rihanna something as exclusive as a Britney feature w/o getting something back in return. Rihanna said herself how surprised that Brit and her team agreed since Britney doesn't do features. So even if it pans out that Britney doesn't get credit, I'm sure Jive made sure they got something out of the deal. Also Billboard did tweet this: I don't know whether they plan to separate the remix or add it to the original but this tweet seems to imply that they are planning to count in Britney's feature somehow. |
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 22:45:35 GMT -5
^what are u talking about? Billboard DID NOT count those free downloads. This is old news. Billboard DID for WBT's first week until they quickly changed the rule. That's why Gwen, whose HBG was at #1, was a bit pissed. I agree. Jive will make sure this is a win-win situation. |
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 11, 2011 22:46:31 GMT -5
And it won't. Once again Britney got used. Hardly, TTWE is getting a remix w/ a feature. There's a good chance that the featured artist is Rhianna. I highly doubt Jive and Brit's management would have just given Rihanna something as exclusive as a Britney feature w/o getting something back in return. Rihanna said herself how surprised that Brit and her team agreed since Britney doesn't do features. So even if it pans out that Britney doesn't get credit, I'm sure Jive made sure they got something out of the deal. Also Billboard did tweet this: I don't know whether they plan to separate the remix or add it to the original but this tweet seems to imply that they are planning to count in Britney's feature somehow. It will definitely count toward the original since it's so similar to the original recording. |
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Post by elementd5 on Apr 11, 2011 22:47:34 GMT -5
^what are u talking about? Billboard DID NOT count those free downloads. This is old news. Billboard DID for WBT's first week until they quickly changed the rule. That's why Gwen, whose HBG was at #1, was a bit pissed. 4 weeks. 5 weeks. Meh. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 22:47:36 GMT -5
^what are u talking about? Billboard DID NOT count those free downloads. This is old news. Yes they did. That's why Mariah got to #1 the week of June 4, 2005. Otherwise she wouldn't have made it to #1 until the week of June 11th. Billboard did count those free downloads but they also made it clear that from here on in, they would no longer count free downloads towards a single's sales. The rule was changed because of what happened with WBT. |
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 22:51:56 GMT -5
Free downloads should have never been counted anyway, even in 2005.
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Post by Eqbk on Apr 11, 2011 22:52:35 GMT -5
I read somewhere that for a remix to be credited, w/o charting separately, it has to make up over half of the overall points for the song. Can someone confirm whether this is true or not?
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Post by nighttime on Apr 11, 2011 23:03:45 GMT -5
Yes, unless the Britney remix overtakes the original's airplay before the song goes #1... It's not a Britney #1. I can already see the drama. Katy's remix came when the song wasn't even out on radio yet, so the Kanye version is the 'single'. This new remix comes after the original song was already a big hit, just to get that #1 spot. I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't become a regular thing, but I fear it's most likely going to happen. How does it determine which track is receiving more airplay when they both registered under the same name? |
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Post by fanatic on Apr 11, 2011 23:26:20 GMT -5
I think it all depends on the label.
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Post by musicissalvation on Apr 11, 2011 23:36:53 GMT -5
well at the way this is selling on its first day without a banner, im saying the least amount it will do is 250k. The original will probably sell around 100k. Airplay right now is 126. Is there any way this could not go number 1?
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Post by d.t.m on Apr 11, 2011 23:41:16 GMT -5
I originally predicted b/w 200-250k for the remix. Just enough to take it from Katy.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 11, 2011 23:46:51 GMT -5
Didn't Mariah Carey discount her "Loverboy" single down to a few cents to get it's #2 placement? While it didn't hit #1, it was an attempt. This whole idea that artists somehow "cheat" the charts is nonsense. They just know how to work them. loverboy was selling for 99 cents at its peak. It was eventually lowered to 49 cents. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 12, 2011 0:02:47 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. Radio will play it if the listeners want to hear it. That's the bottom line. They have no hunt in the game accept for generating the most audience it possibly can. I don't know either way sounds like an unfair comparison. There's a difference between a song being in the iTunes top ten for a few days like the Glee songs and spending weeks upon weeks in the top ten/twenty (like J-Lo or Adele) and radio resisting. Glee songs have built-in expiration dates from the time they air on TV, every radio programmer knows that... When you've been non existent at radio it takes several weeks for programmers to know it's not just a passing fad like the AI hype or the Glee episode hype...even after that the programmers have to move slowly one to test the record with their audiences to make sure it's what the audience wants to hear. I think J.lo being Top 20 in 8 weeks is pretty good timing IMO. It's really the most she could've expected in such a short time honestly. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 12, 2011 0:54:58 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Katy's people took the Kanye version of E.T. off iTunes for a while to raise the originals sales and then put the remix back on. So, if Rihanna wants to release a remix to get S&M to #1 I say more power to you! pretty much this. It's all a numbers game. If this is what it takes to get to #1, then that's great! You all get a Britney/Rihanna collaboration out of it. Katy got Kanye, which gave E.T. the xtra oomph it needed to get to #1. It's all the same, really. I wish everyone was as aggressive as these two have been lately. I'm sure Katy's label has some unique angles to spin for LFN once they release that. Gaga might pull some tricks too, later on down the road. again, it's just a numbers game. And they're playing it well. |
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Post by musicissalvation on Apr 12, 2011 1:01:25 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Katy's people took the Kanye version of E.T. off iTunes for a while to raise the originals sales and then put the remix back on. So, if Rihanna wants to release a remix to get S&M to #1 I say more power to you! pretty much this. It's all a numbers game. If this is what it takes to get to #1, then that's great! You all get a Britney/Rihanna collaboration out of it. Katy got Kanye, which gave E.T. the xtra oomph it needed to get to #1. It's all the same, really. I wish everyone was as aggressive as these two have been lately. I'm sure Katy's label has some unique angles to spin for LFN once they release that. Gaga might pull some tricks too, later on down the road. again, it's just a numbers game. And they're playing it well. yusss, the pop divas really go for the sales!  |
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Post by singingsparrow on Apr 12, 2011 2:37:25 GMT -5
The way I interpret this whole eleventh-hour remix promotional gambit debate is that I feel CHR/Pop is becoming increasingly like the Country radio format, in that the Country format is the most notorious for record label chutzpah.
For those of you who haven't observed how the Country format dialog often functions, it is often much easier to predict and pick #1 singles like the Beltway media picks our presidents, in that (with exceptions here and there, depending on how established the artist is, if an artist pushes a particularly risky track for radio consideration, etc.) they largely seem to ascend in an assembly line style, and often only deviate from that queue if mainly 1) the artist is a present superstar and the label fears not pushing the track to a massive chart debut entry would be perceived as a sign of weakness among competing labels, or 2) one label is simultaneously pushing multiple artists signed to their roster at close proximity of each other on the chart, so might accelerate one single while holding the other back so to "wait for the opportune moment".
From each country music artist's touring and television performance schedule, to their radio tour highlights for the week, to timing a featured appearance on a keynote country music countdown program within the week the label perceives the single will complete its trajectory to #1, to just about anything you can think of in each artist's datebook...............country music labels have long been incomparably competitive and compulsive in terms of chart rivalry.
I feel, however, record label politics are trending remarkably closer to those in Nashville on the CHR/Pop format. I'm not quite convinced the trend has caught on nearly as much elsewhere, in that I perceive CHR/Rhythmic, for instance, as closest to an oligopoly in that, as of late, it's quite common to see the #1 single separated by 1500 spins or more from the runner-up, and a mere 2000 spin approximate separates the #11 single from the #40 single. The Adult Top 40 was very much a dynasty throughout much of the early-to-mid portion of the previous decade also, although it has loosened up quite a bit since then.
Desperation? Music business? Hardly an odd couple!
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Post by pokepikalem on Apr 12, 2011 3:30:32 GMT -5
The problem is: Capitol had seen this before they released the single, so they decided the remix as a single. S&M-the album track however was released as a single. And when all hope were gone, they released the remix as another single. So it came through as the label wants S&M to be #1 badly.
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Post by falkos on Apr 12, 2011 3:33:12 GMT -5
Again Rihanna do this?
Rihanna and IDJ hit always the right time...
they smell when is the right time to do their tricks...
they chose the time of peak of airplay and
-they dicrease the price of the song (like OG), or
-they release a remix as the last opportunity of getting another maybe 70-80.000 digital sales
What could they think after???
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S&M went number 1 on the Pop charts and became her FIFTH CONSECUTIVE Radio #1...she broke enough records this week to even be pressed with number 1. Rihanna's fans tweeted that they wanted her to do a collaboration with Britney & Britney recently talked about wanting to do a collaboration with Rihanna. It's as simple as that. Did Def Jam see it as an opportunity to go number 1? I'm sure; however, i do not see any desperation in this at all. 
