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Post by lockebox on Jun 28, 2011 20:31:37 GMT -5
OK, that's a complete misquote. I said I couldn't take him seriously, bearing in mind the drastic change in his musical direction. I never said "people only know him from From First to Last" although, that certainly helped him attract attention to his new project, and a lot of those From First to Last fans have no doubt remained with him. I actually said it wasn't going to be too difficult for him to overtake From First to Last's popularity. I also said "whiny-assed vocals", not "whiny emo kid." Stop twisting my words. The whole thing feels fake to me, that was my point.
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Post by Devin on Jun 28, 2011 20:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 20:38:15 GMT -5
Dubstep may be relevant, but that doesn't mean it's good. Dance-pop is relevant, too... I think you've sort of misunderstood me to a degree here. I'm not saying this genre won't be big, I'm saying I'm not a fan. My entire point is that I don't get why you're surprised that this is doing well because you initially seemed confused as to why this is doing better than the singles off their last album when to me the reason is obvious, and the reason is dubstep/Skrillex = becoming huge. And you say the lyrics to this song are terrible. But don't you like Emphatic's "Bounce"? Aren't those lyrics even worse and isn't it one of most boring songs musically -- ever?
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 20:48:10 GMT -5
Also, to address the critics part of your quote...honestly, f**k music critics. Just because they're good writers doesn't mean they know s**t about music. Sure they may be able to spew their s**tty opinions with more authority because they can communicate those opinions well, but they also often say nothing of any substance about the music and just make obvious and lazy statements about an artist's genre as a whole, or they just say things that are just blatantly inaccurate musically. Just because they're impressed with Vampire Weekend's ivy league credentials and intellect doesn't change the fact that Vampire Weekend musically is about as uninventive, contrived, and unemotional as indie music gets, which is saying something. Critics just look for approval in their own community and once Limp Bizkit becomes established as a band to beat up on Vampire Weekend emerges as a band critics jizz themselves over, then any new critics and credible music fans for that matter will be ridiculed if they don't align themselves with those opinions.
I will say with utmost confidence that Limp Bizkit (disregarding vocals) and thus obviously Skrillex have WAY more talent than Vampire Weekend. And I dare a topflight music critic to take me up on the challenge of suggesting otherwise.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 20:55:19 GMT -5
The whole thing feels fake to me, that was my point. Considering he's one of the elite electronic music producers in today's scene and as the premier innovator in the dubstep genre, I would argue then that if anything, his work with From First To Last as an emo imitator is what might be viewed retrospectively as fake. Then he was following the trend, now he's leading the charge. Sorta undermines your point, doesn't it? Anyway, the summary of everything I've said is that Korn has attached themselves to someone who is on the verge of being as big as they were in their prime, and that explains the further success this song is sure to see.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 28, 2011 20:55:57 GMT -5
OK, that's a complete misquote. I said I couldn't take him seriously, bearing in mind the drastic change in his musical direction. I never said "people only know him from From First to Last" although, that certainly helped him attract attention to his new project, and a lot of those From First to Last fans have no doubt remained with him. I actually said it wasn't going to be too difficult for him to overtake From First to Last's popularity. I also said "whiny-assed vocals", not "whiny emo kid." Stop twisting my words. The whole thing feels fake to me, that was my point. I apologize for misreading your words, I just hate when people constantly call eachother "emo". I've been constantly called emo and it's always bugged me, because I'm clearly not, but I just find it insulting I guess. I know I'm in the minority there though. All in all, I guess my comment was just me attempting to "shake you", as you will, into seeing the point jvand was trying to make, since as an outsider looking in, you clearly kept missing the point of what he was saying, and continued to contradict everything to the point where you said "my whole point is that I don't like it, and you've obviously been missing that the whole time", which felt like bullshit to me. So again, I'm sorry for intervening. I could've come across less harsh. Also, while I agree that talent-wise, Limp Bizkit and Skrillex have more talent than Vampire Weekend, I actually enjoy Vampire Weekend the most out of the three. Though I agree half of their stuff is simple indie-sounding guitar and drums, paired with some interesting vocals. Which is why I can play half of their stuff on guitar. (Though Cousins is somewhat difficult to get down the rhythm for)
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Post by lockebox on Jun 28, 2011 20:59:04 GMT -5
Dubstep may be relevant, but that doesn't mean it's good. Dance-pop is relevant, too... I think you've sort of misunderstood me to a degree here. I'm not saying this genre won't be big, I'm saying I'm not a fan. My entire point is that I don't get why you're surprised that this is doing well because you initially seemed confused as to why this is doing better than the singles off their last album when to me the reason is obvious, and the reason is dubstep/Skrillex = becoming huge. And you say the lyrics to this song are terrible. But don't you like Emphatic's "Bounce"? Aren't those lyrics even worse and isn't it one of most boring songs musically -- ever? The singles from the last album were more appealing to me, and most others in this thread agree. I didn't think it was quite so obvious Active would eat up a song featuring Skrillex, but you clearly called that one. "Bounce" is just a fun song, nothing wrong with one of those every now and then. I'm not a universal hater of those kind of songs. I've been a fan of Emphatic for awhile, too. It also reminds me of one of my favorite bands, Thousand Foot Krutch. I'd rather listen to that, than be shouted "Shut the fuck up" in the face. This all comes down to personal taste, in the end.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 28, 2011 21:06:15 GMT -5
My entire point is that I don't get why you're surprised that this is doing well because you initially seemed confused as to why this is doing better than the singles off their last album when to me the reason is obvious, and the reason is dubstep/Skrillex = becoming huge. And you say the lyrics to this song are terrible. But don't you like Emphatic's "Bounce"? Aren't those lyrics even worse and isn't it one of most boring songs musically -- ever? The singles from the last album were more appealing to me, and most others in this thread agree. I didn't think it was quite so obvious Active would eat up a song featuring Skrillex, but you clearly called that one. "Bounce" is just a fun song, nothing wrong with one of those every now and then. I'm not a universal hater of those kind of songs. I've been a fan of Emphatic for awhile, too. It also reminds me of one of my favorite bands, Thousand Foot Krutch. I'd rather listen to that, than be shouted "Shut the f**k up" in the face. This all comes down to personal taste, in the end. I actually wouldn't say most people agree with you. I think it's pretty split down the middle actually.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 21:20:25 GMT -5
The singles from the last album were more appealing to me, and most others in this thread agree. This is just incorrect. Ron said it was split down the middle, but looking at the first page, there are way more posts saying this was the best thing that Korn had done in awhile than ppl in the contrary. Even ppl who didn't like the chorus lyrics or the womps often said those were the only things keeping them from being REALLY into this but they still liked it more than their recent material. The only people I read who liked this less are you, Shadowscorp, and Nicholas. It was like 7-3 Get Up over Oildale & Co.
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Post by Devin on Jun 28, 2011 21:25:52 GMT -5
I'm sorta in the middle with this song, so it's really 7-3-1. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) And also once again:
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Post by lockebox on Jun 28, 2011 21:31:22 GMT -5
OK, I remembered more people disliking this song on here, but still a lot of Korn fans do not like the song.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 21:52:58 GMT -5
I'm sorta in the middle with this song, so it's really 7-3-1. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) And also once again: Hehe there's too much love here for a battle royale. I'm just sticking up for this song. @mat, you may be right about Korn fans, but the only hardcore Korn fan I'm close with is my girlfriend and she loves this song more than anything they've done in a long time. Then again she's also a Skrillex fan. ;)
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Post by Devin on Jun 28, 2011 21:58:36 GMT -5
I love that scene from Accepted. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0270.gif)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 22:00:17 GMT -5
I love that scene from Accepted. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0270.gif) Oh yeah? Well you are a SHIThead so what now!? ;)
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Post by Devin on Jun 28, 2011 22:05:13 GMT -5
I love that scene from Accepted. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0270.gif) Oh yeah? Well you are a s**thead so what now!? ;)
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jun 28, 2011 22:08:09 GMT -5
I really hope the new album isn't dubstep-infused.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 28, 2011 22:08:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah? Well you are a s**thead so what now!? ;) Chill dude, I'm just acknowledging your affiliation with South Harmon Institute of Technology.
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Post by Devin on Jun 28, 2011 22:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by david112 on Jun 29, 2011 0:10:07 GMT -5
Irreguardless of what you all think about this song it's turning heads, it will probably outpeak oildale and it's got every friend of mine who is into heavy metal back into Korn. I for one am probably going to buy the new album which will be the first Korn album I've ever bought. This is probably the best thing the flagging Korn could have possibly done to revitilize themselves.
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Post by pen on Jun 29, 2011 1:12:47 GMT -5
See You On The Other Side was their best album. There. I said it.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 29, 2011 15:20:59 GMT -5
I really hope the new album isn't dubstep-infused. It's supposed to be. And pen, I'd actually agree.
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Post by lockebox on Jun 29, 2011 18:53:02 GMT -5
I'd go with "Follow the Leader" as their strongest record. "Issues" or "Untitled" would be their weakest.
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Post by pen on Jun 30, 2011 0:13:57 GMT -5
I'd go with "Follow the Leader" as their strongest record. "Issues" or "Untitled" would be their weakest. Untitled is better than Follow The Leader.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 30, 2011 2:41:23 GMT -5
Follow the Leader Korn Life Is Peachy Issues Untouchables Take a Look in the Mirror Korn III: Remember Who You Are See You on the Other Side Untitled
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Post by pen on Jun 30, 2011 3:17:04 GMT -5
Follow the Leader Korn Life Is Peachy Issues Untouchables Take a Look in the Mirror Korn III: Remember Who You Are See You on the Other Side Untitled See You On The Other Side Untouchables Take A Look In The Mirror Korn Life Is Peachy Untitled Korn III: Remember Who You Are Issues Follow The Leader This is subject to change as I haven't heard some of these albums in a dog's age.
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Post by Devin on Jun 30, 2011 8:58:31 GMT -5
Here's my list:
__________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________
Not a Korn fan.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jul 13, 2011 11:30:30 GMT -5
Top 30 on Alternative:
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Post by Ron57 on Jul 13, 2011 14:27:31 GMT -5
Here's my list: __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ Not a Korn fan. Definitely should be switching the first and last one around. That's just crazy.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jul 13, 2011 14:59:53 GMT -5
Korn is that type of band where, often I've liked some of the riffs and grooves they come up with and so can understand their appeal to some degree.............and yet have never cared for virtually ANY of their lyrics. "Get Up" only further sinews that dichotomy. I really like the chaotic edge Skrillex gives this track and can understand how it would really resonate in a live setting................but lyrically this is just utterly unimaginative. "Shut the f*** up and get up!" Where have I heard that before? ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) It is, for that reason, why I understand DJ-O's point in no single album era stands out and he feels no need to make a list. I feel much the same way about their artistry. They're not a bad band............they've just never really spoken to me. Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jul 13, 2011 15:23:08 GMT -5
As somebody who values musical composition and production far above lyrics, this song manages to catch my attention and captivate me. Also, the lyrics are bad, but there are certainly worse out there. And only the real cringe-worthy ones are enough to turn me off when the music is at a high level.
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