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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 15, 2011 9:56:47 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY - E.T.: 151.829 (+ 0.263)
is this a new record for E.T.? Biggest mediabase airplay hit for her?
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Post by jgizzle89 on May 15, 2011 10:53:05 GMT -5
it's not catchy, the beat is uniquely bad Girl chile, the beat is FIRE and it's catchy. the majority of radio stations and itunes buyers apparently agree with me. and, just an fyi, i'm a man. |
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Post by Black Jesus on May 15, 2011 11:06:24 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY - E.T.: 151.829 (+ 0.263) is this a new record for E.T.? Biggest mediabase airplay hit for her? What was Firework's peak? |
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Post by worldwide on May 15, 2011 12:05:49 GMT -5
Girl chile, the beat is FIRE and it's catchy. the majority of radio stations and itunes buyers apparently agree with me. and, just an fyi, i'm a man. and? I also think beat is fire and song is catchy. It's just too different for radio. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 12:39:09 GMT -5
1. KATY PERRY - E.T.: 151.829 (+ 0.263) is this a new record for E.T.? Biggest mediabase airplay hit for her? What was Firework's peak? 145,099 |
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 15, 2011 13:22:57 GMT -5
Queen B said that she cannot be safe, that she has to take things to the next level- hence "Run the World (Girls)." It's true that the track isn't as catchy as some of her more obvious hits, but it's also not a totally left-field sound, either. I think she just may have exhausted the theme, either with Destiny's Child or solo.
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 13:37:30 GMT -5
Queen B said that she cannot be safe, that she has to take things to the next level- hence "Run the World (Girls)." It's true that the track isn't as catchy as some of her more obvious hits, but it's also not a totally left-field sound, either. I think she just may have exhausted the theme, either with Destiny's Child or solo. It's an eye-opener that of all the girls smashing in 2011 Beyonce would get the shortest end of the stick, but I called this last year. Just seems like her time just like it was with Alicia. Beyonce's not as invincible in the industry today as a lot of people thought. |
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Post by jamrock16 on May 15, 2011 13:43:40 GMT -5
I don't get where all this invincible talk is coming from. Beyonce has already had her fair share of flops/under-performers, Video Phone, Ring the Alarm and Beautiful Liar included (stateside). It's not like RTW is her first single to ever perform poorly on the charts.
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 13:56:00 GMT -5
The key difference is that her prior "flops" DJV, RTA were the kind most R&B artists would kill for. RTW is the kind of massive flop that puts careers in jeopardy. This era is now in question.
Sure Beyonce's had bumps in the road, but few predicted she would be left behind like this already after going strong overall for so many years. HG was right in saying she may have ran her course. Mariah's fans witnessed a similar fate for their diva 10 years ago. It happens, but doesn't mean she can't come back in the future.
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Post by jamrock16 on May 15, 2011 14:30:20 GMT -5
It's just so premature (not to mention unfounded) to claim someone's career is over because they have a flop lead single. She can easily bounce back or yeah, she could flop for the rest of this era. No one knows, it's not something you can predict.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 15, 2011 14:43:36 GMT -5
Well, I suggested that she may have exhausted the theme used for the current single- it may not be wise to suggest that Queen B. herself has run her course. :) No doubt that as of now, the single is a huge underperformer (currently No. 152 on iTunes).
The whole Billboard Millennium promo should not hurt.
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 15:13:12 GMT -5
It's just so premature (not to mention unfounded) to claim someone's career is over because they have a flop lead single. She can easily bounce back or yeah, she could flop for the rest of this era. No one knows, it's not something you can predict. I disagree. It IS something you can predict based on the evidence and response at hand, at least for me. I saw Ciara's and Xtina's flops a mile away and was the first one here to proclaim that Alicia was losing her appeal and would witness a lukewarm era. Time will certainly tell, but I'm willing to bet that this project will struggle to hit platinum especially if she drops this summer. Competition is at an all-time high among divas. |
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Post by Lockheart on May 15, 2011 15:22:22 GMT -5
I think the reason RTW isn't taking off, imo, is it's a tired theme (empowerment), tired vocal singing (her singing style), and tired sound overall. It doesn't sound fresh whatsoever. You just can't go back to the game and expect your fans to eat whatever you release B. You have to come harder. Every other female artist is having massive success
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 15:26:04 GMT -5
I do agree that you have to bring your A-game this era nonetheless. A few strikes is enough to take anybody out of the competition.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 15:32:43 GMT -5
It's just so premature (not to mention unfounded) to claim someone's career is over because they have a flop lead single. She can easily bounce back or yeah, she could flop for the rest of this era. No one knows, it's not something you can predict. I disagree. It IS something you can predict based on the evidence and response at hand, at least for me. I saw Ciara's and Xtina's flops a mile away and was the first one here to proclaim that Alicia was losing her appeal and would witness a lukewarm era. Time will certainly tell, but I'm willing to bet that this project will struggle to hit platinum especially if she drops this summer. Competition is at an all-time high among divas. But almost anybody could'ave seen Ciara and Xtina flops a mile away. Ciara was coming off a previous flop album and Xtina was away for 4 years and on top of that, she had a wack lead single and lost her spot to the newer girls. The thing about Bey is that even if RTW doesn't do well on the charts, she doesn't have any other factor going against her. There's still huge interest in her and it's not like people are getting tired of her. It's just that this song was pushed out there without any form of support whatsoever. I mean, SL was promoted heavily before it had even hit iTunes. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 15, 2011 15:37:17 GMT -5
A lot of albums are struggling to hit platinum these days, so that may not be the best gauge for success. On the other hand, the Sasha Fierce album did sell nearly 3 million in the USA, so that would be a decent drop-off.
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 15:39:23 GMT -5
The huge factor Beyonce has going against her is that she's never had this much direct competition in an era. I'm sorry but it looks really bad to have other divas release subpar lead singles, but yet they could take it to #1 on name alone and Beyonce couldn't. To me that's an alarming indication that things are off and her team knows it. That's why they're scrambling for damage control.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 15:49:11 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're not scrambling or worrying at all like some seem to think. The Billboard Awards looks like the promo kick-off which could've always been the idea.
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Post by beautynumber2 on May 15, 2011 16:00:35 GMT -5
The huge factor Beyonce has going against her is that she's never had this much direct competition in an era. exactly. Competition shows who you can hang with. This is like the early 90's. You had Whitney, Toni Braxton, Mariah, Madonna, Paula Abdul, Janet, Celine Dion, hell even Pebbles and Jody Watley not to mention others with a hit or 2. Beyonce's first album was flawless. 4 Huge singles, good album sales. She's never been able to match that without flopping another single for every hit she has. It seems like when the competition is thick, Beyonce can't hang and people opt for better other songs. I'm afraid Beyonce will fall by the wayside like Christina Aguilera, they couldn't compete with what was out and never recaptured the success of their debut. Christina's situation is extremly unfortunate, all that talent. She was one of the best singers of our time. Both got too gimmicky and people weren't buying. literally. "this is me trying to do a jazz album... no wait i'm pop again!"  "this album is about the two sides of me.... fierce diva and regular diva"  |
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Post by jamrock16 on May 15, 2011 16:13:55 GMT -5
I'm not buying the competition factor at all. Last era, Beyonce went up against Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Katy Perry and Lady GaGa and she was still able to score all those hits (including 3 top 5 pop hits). "Run this World" is simply a very UN-radio friendly song with extremely aggresive vocals which is not resonating well with the public. If she had released an electro-pop song and she was flopping like this, there'd be reason for alarm. The fact that she can't turn RTW into a hit is hardly a call for the end of her career.
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Post by beautynumber2 on May 15, 2011 17:10:52 GMT -5
I'm not buying the competition factor at all. Last era, Beyonce went up against Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Katy Perry and Lady GaGa and she was still able to score all those hits (including 3 top 5 pop hits). "Run this World" is simply a very UN-radio friendly song with extremely aggresive vocals which is not resonating well with the public. If she had released an electro-pop song and she was flopping like this, there'd be reason for alarm. The fact that she can't turn RTW into a hit is hardly a call for the end of her career. Pink's only big hit from Funhouse, "So What," was out months before any of Beyonce's single. And "Just Dance" and "My Life Would Suck Without You" peaked weeks after "Single Ladies" peaked. Rihanna's album was already done. The other singles from IASF were in direct competition with Gaga, but those were Single #4 and 5 for Beyonce and Single #1 2 3 for Gaga. That's not the same thing. The fact is that Beyonce's fans act like Beyonce beats out every female artist on a weekly basis when the truth is, she's been very lucky enough to have select singles out weeks when there was little competition. |
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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2011 17:50:44 GMT -5
I'm not buying the competition factor at all. Last era, Beyonce went up against Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Katy Perry and Lady GaGa and she was still able to score all those hits (including 3 top 5 pop hits). "Run this World" is simply a very UN-radio friendly song with extremely aggresive vocals which is not resonating well with the public. If she had released an electro-pop song and she was flopping like this, there'd be reason for alarm. The fact that she can't turn RTW into a hit is hardly a call for the end of her career. This. People seem to be forgetting how huge her last era was. If Beyonce releases radio friendly material, she will be just fine. |
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Post by jgizzle89 on May 15, 2011 18:31:35 GMT -5
beyonce will do fine, sell platinum, have a few r&b hits, and do ok worldwide. she's got a much more rabid (and loyal) fanbase than christina or ciara. will she have a huge crossover hit? that remains to be seen. but trust me, she will do better than 90% of the commercial artists out there.
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Post by jamrock16 on May 15, 2011 20:31:53 GMT -5
Pink's only big hit from Funhouse, "So What," was out months before any of Beyonce's single. Nope, Pink had "So What" (#1 end of October) and "Sober" (#4 peak) from Funhouse. "If I Were a Boy" (#8 peak) was serviced to pop radio Oct. 12 and SL was later given an adds date and peaked at #1. She did fine amongst Pink Wrong again. Just Dance hit #1 (on pop) ONE week before SL hit #1 and Kelly had "Suck", "Hook Up" and "Already Gone" going in between Beyonce's "Halo" and "Dreams" which peaked in the top 5. I never mentionned her... Your post couldn't be any further from the truth. All of these ladies were in direct competition with one another from 4Q of 2008 to 1Q of 2009. They all released material during that time period and they all had big hits on pop during that period all while Beyonce was also able to have hits. So I'll repeat again, it's not a matter of competition as to why she is doing poorly, just lacklustre material. |
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Post by d.t.m on May 15, 2011 23:03:55 GMT -5
Poor, lackluster material or not there's no excuse that lead track from a star of her caliber couldn't even go top 10 for a week on any format by now.
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Post by stanr on May 16, 2011 3:48:29 GMT -5
i think it's because both of them, the material is sucks and too much direct competition right now. but most of all is the material itself, if she release another anthem like single ladies i think she'll doing fine, maybe not successful as single ladies, but at least she's not flopping like now.
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Post by Enigma. on May 16, 2011 5:19:57 GMT -5
beyonce will do fine, sell platinum, have a few r&b hits, and do ok worldwide. she's got a much more rabid (and loyal) fanbase than christina or ciara. will she have a huge crossover hit? that remains to be seen. but trust me, she will do better than 90% of the commercial artists out there. LOL I agree. |
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Post by cucky on May 16, 2011 10:38:18 GMT -5
RTW is a horrible song, deserves to flop.
Where it'll debut The Edge of Glory ??
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:43:14 GMT -5
Errr so does anyone have today's updates? We already know Beysus got a positive update so hopefully that will cease this tired discussion at LEAST for another day, of course until there happens to be a negative update where everyone will be screaming "flop!11 over!1" yet again and ranting about how much they dislike the song for the millionth time.
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Post by badrobot on May 16, 2011 11:04:10 GMT -5
TOP 10
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1. KATY PERRY - E.T.: 151.756 (- 0.073)
2. ADELE - Rolling In The Deep: 120.019 (+ 2.625)
3. BLACK EYED PEAS - Just Can't Get Enough: 111.834 (+ 1.180)
4. BRITNEY SPEARS - Till The World Ends: 95.608 (+ 0.286)
5. JEREMIH - Down On Me f/50 Cent: 90.820 (- 1.063)
6. RIHANNA - S&M: 82.845 (- 2.550)
7. JENNIFER LOPEZ f/ PITBULL - On The Floor: 80.389 (- 0.082)
8. CHRIS BROWN - Look At Me Now: 76.733 (- 0.926)
9. BRUNO MARS - Lazy Song: 71.288 (+ 1.385)
10. TINIE TEMPAH - Written In The Stars f/ETurner: 66.809 (+ 0.216)
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11. PINK - F**kin' Perfect (Perfect): 65.659 (- 0.103)
12. PITBULL - Give Me Everything f/Ne-Yo: 65.371 (+ 2.032) ▲
13. CEE LO GREEN - F**k You (Forget You): 65.305 (- 0.064) ▼
14 KE$HA - Blow: 64.048 (- 0.507) ▼
15. LUPE FIASCO - The Show Goes On: 63.328 (+ 0.585)
16. WIZ KHALIFA - Roll Up: 62.291 (+ 0.441)
17. THE SCRIPT - For The First Time: 58.086 (- 0.379)
18. KANYE WEST - All Of The Lights: 55.803 (- 0.581)
19. MIRANDA LAMBERT - Heart Like Mine: 52.832 (+ 0.127)
20. KATY PERRY - Firework: 52.142 (- 0.269)
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BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 51.370 (- 0.130)
BRAD PAISLEY - Old Alabama f/Alabama: 50.258 (- 0.111)
RASCAL FLATTS - I Won't Let Go: 47.719 (+ 0.750)
MIGUEL - Sure Thing: 41.879 (+ 0.572)
KEITH URBAN - Without You: 41.313 (+ 0.190)
KELLY ROWLAND - Motivation f/Lil Wayne: 39.124 (+ 0.643)
CHRIS BROWN - She Ain't You: 38.639 (+ 0.266)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Mean: 38.115 (+ 0.407)
NEW BOYZ - Back Seat f/Cataracs & Dev: 36.719 (- 0.201)
THE BAND PERRY - You Lie: 35.260 (+ 0.468)
JESSIE J - Price Tag f/B.O.B: 34.183 (+ 0.270)
LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 24.017
ONEREPUBLIC - Good Life: 22.353 (+ 0.564)
BEYONCE - Run The World (Girls): 21.402 (+ 0.895)
FOO FIGHTERS - Rope: 20.457 (- 0.082)
MARTIN SOLVEIG & DRAGONETTE - Hello: 20.207
MAROON 5 - Never Gonna Leave This Bed: 20.095 (+ 0.405)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE - Who Says: 20.065 (+ 0.628)
MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE - Sing: 19.176 (+ 0.172)
NICKI MINAJ - Super Bass: 18.655 (+ 1.213)
LADY GAGA - The Edge Of Glory: 18.258 (+ 2.985)
MIKE POSNER F/LIL WAYNE - Bow Chicka Wow Wow: 16.264 (- 0.150)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 14.436 (+ 1.324)
TAYLOR SWIFT - The Story Of Us: 12.391 (+ 0.050)
COLBIE CAILLAT - I Do: 11.652 (+ 0.095)
RIHANNA - Man Down: 10.488 (+ 0.353)
ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - Dirty Dancer f/Usher/Lil Wayne: 7.390 (+ 1.245)
JENNIFER LOPEZ - I'm Into You f/Lil Wayne: 5.037 (+ 0.027)
RIHANNA - California King Bed: 3.750 (+ 0.440)
KATY PERRY - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.): 1.920 (+ 0.046)
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