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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 26, 2011 9:35:22 GMT -5
^Except that U.S. radio ageism has increased since the late 90s/early 2000s. Can it be reversed? Who knows. it's of note, though, that "Believe's" success did not result in Cher scoring any more big hits thereafter. It was such a worldwide hit, that it just rode the wave everywhere.
As for "Obsessed," it did peak at No. 6 on Hot 100 Airplay (and top 10 at pop), so it's not like it didn't perform decently.
Madonna has one U.S. No. 1 in her 40s. Of course, she had multiple No. 1s outside the USA, but other territories' radio atmosphere are not ageist like U.S. radio.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 26, 2011 11:51:32 GMT -5
Were you referring to me? If so, I really don't get you. Calling people haters for having an opinion on someone?! I love Mariah. I listen to her songs and people laugh at me. I was waiting impatiently for months since the moment she said when her latest is gonna get released. Rihanna? I f**king tweet her all day long to get a reply, and she doesn't even bother, but I love her and her songs. Most of recent times biggest hits belong to her!!! In Beyonce's 4 thread I said that it's a fact that 4 is her worst. I was wrong to say it's a fact but compared to B"day & Sasha that's too Jennifer Hudson of a direction se picked. yet I was called a hater. Once again I get mocked for listening to her. So IF you were referring to me, get your facts straight first, and if you will, let me have an opinion of my own. I wasn't quoting you. Why would you think that?
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 26, 2011 11:55:06 GMT -5
^Except that U.S. radio ageism has increased since the late 90s/early 2000s. Can it be reversed? Who knows. it's of note, though, that "Believe's" success did not result in Cher scoring any more big hits thereafter. It was such a worldwide hit, that it just rode the wave everywhere. As for "Obsessed," it did peak at No. 6 on Hot 100 Airplay (and top 10 at pop), so it's not like it didn't perform decently. Madonna has one U.S. No. 1 in her 40s. Of course, she had multiple No. 1s outside the USA, but other territories' radio atmosphere are not ageist like U.S. radio. Britney Spears/Nsync/BSB and other teen heartthrob musicians ushered in the era of ageism. The trend simply hasn't reversed. There has always been some ageism around in favor of the hot new thing but after about 2001 it became radio ageism on steroids...and it eventually spread from the pop markets to the Urban markets.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 26, 2011 11:59:37 GMT -5
there's no excuse as to why GGGB didn't sell "the Dutchess", "the Fame", "The E.N.D." like numbers. and there's no excuse as to why Pink Friday scanned more than Loud. all those no 1's ..all that airplay and mediocre sales in retrospect. People are content to simply buy Rihanna singles and not Rihanna albums at this point in time. I don't seen anything wrong with Rihanna selling a million copies of each album. I don't see that as a failure at all. Especially when considering she's going to sell another 5-10mm singles in a years time to go along with that million. Plus Rihanna releases an album every year. Of course it's not going to sell as much as it would if it was promoted on a two year cycle. I think it's in the record company's best interest to sell as much as it can as fast as it can. It may not make sense to keep promoting product that's going to cost a lot more to promote as time goes on.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 26, 2011 12:56:08 GMT -5
Ultimately, where Rihanna may lack in "super impressive" album sales here, she makes up with her international audience. Her label is aware of this and focused the majority of her last album's campiagn overseas and it sold 6.2 million copies.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Sept 26, 2011 13:20:03 GMT -5
Were you referring to me? If so, I really don't get you. Calling people haters for having an opinion on someone?! I love Mariah. I listen to her songs and people laugh at me. I was waiting impatiently for months since the moment she said when her latest is gonna get released. Rihanna? I f**king tweet her all day long to get a reply, and she doesn't even bother, but I love her and her songs. Most of recent times biggest hits belong to her!!! In Beyonce's 4 thread I said that it's a fact that 4 is her worst. I was wrong to say it's a fact but compared to B"day & Sasha that's too Jennifer Hudson of a direction se picked. yet I was called a hater. Once again I get mocked for listening to her. So IF you were referring to me, get your facts straight first, and if you will, let me have an opinion of my own. I wasn't quoting you. Why would you think that? Because a few posts above it I said things that weren't well received. nevermind, my apologies.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 26, 2011 13:29:09 GMT -5
I love Mariah but.... She is not getting another #1. She's had her run already and I don't think she cares either way. Believe me, Mariah cares. I'm really shocked she's not having an album out this Christmas.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 26, 2011 13:40:32 GMT -5
Ultimately, where Rihanna may lack in "super impressive" album sales here, she makes up with her international audience. Her label is aware of this and focused the majority of her last album's campiagn overseas and it sold 6.2 million copies. Album sales are steady and consistent. If she sells a million albums worth of new product every year that's good enough really....
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 26, 2011 14:39:43 GMT -5
The album promo spent on Rihanna's eras also shockingly pale compared to some of her peers, allowing IDJ to make a good return on investment.
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Post by leoapp on Sept 26, 2011 17:20:33 GMT -5
I love Mariah but.... She is not getting another #1. She's had her run already and I don't think she cares either way. Believe me, Mariah cares. I'm really shocked she's not having an album out this Christmas. Com eon, she needs to take a break for a while, she's still breastfeeding , i bet a new album will be ready in Spring 2012
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 26, 2011 19:54:23 GMT -5
The album promo spent on Rihanna's eras also shockingly pale compared to some of her peers, allowing IDJ to make a good return on investment. Really? She literally did every award show and TV program of the last year, except maybe Oprah.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 26, 2011 22:28:38 GMT -5
Advertising budgets on commercial spots, billboards, street teams etc. in the US always seem to be scaled back for her, especially before they receive first week numbers for her albums. It's noticeably different for someone such as Alicia or Beyonce.
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Post by antoinelk955 on Sept 27, 2011 4:16:19 GMT -5
100 Bruno Mars - It Will Rain 0.0659 Here We Go ;)
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Post by beebee on Sept 27, 2011 4:45:26 GMT -5
I love Mariah but.... She is not getting another #1. She's had her run already and I don't think she cares either way. Believe me, Mariah cares. I'm really shocked she's not having an album out this Christmas. It's better for her to release in a quieter period of the year...I'm pretty sure she wants to come back with a # 1 album, and we all remember that she couldn't debut at #1 with "MOAIA" (was beated by Barbra's and Paramore's efforts...). I bet she'll release in early May next year with a single out in February maybe.
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Post by beebee on Sept 27, 2011 4:57:44 GMT -5
if Touch My body went no1... I don't see why obsessed couldn't people were just not feeling mariah IA. Obsessed sounds much more like a #1 hit than the atrocious "TMB" to me.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Sept 27, 2011 6:35:13 GMT -5
TMB went #1 because it was her lead single following her hugely successful comeback. It also didn't hurt that it was radio-friendly.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Sept 27, 2011 7:09:26 GMT -5
if Touch My body went no1... I don't see why obsessed couldn't people were just not feeling mariah IA. Obsessed sounds much more like a #1 hit than the atrocious "TMB" to me. I just don't get how could people listen to it without feeling stupid. Let's just say if it were a Hebrew song, it wouldn't get played because it sounds way too dumb. I really reminds me of kindergarten as it's childish and that video only helps that notion... I think it was a shame because there were such hot songs on that album.
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Post by jdanton2 on Sept 27, 2011 7:44:16 GMT -5
It Will Rain by Bruno Mars already #29 . :o hope it hits #1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 7:53:23 GMT -5
IA. Obsessed sounds much more like a #1 hit than the atrocious "TMB" to me. I just don't get how could people listen to it without feeling stupid. Let's just say if it were a Hebrew song, it wouldn't get played because it sounds way too dumb. I really reminds me of kindergarten as it's childish and that video only helps that notion... I think it was a shame because there were such hot songs on that album. If it were a Hebrew song??? WHAT??
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Post by mcsteamy on Sept 27, 2011 8:48:07 GMT -5
Slaydele is back at #1
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Post by Arabella21 on Sept 27, 2011 11:05:27 GMT -5
1. Someone Like You - ADELE 2. Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from "The Voice" Performance) [feat. Christina Aguilera] - Maroon 5 3. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna 4. Pumped Up Kicks - Foster the People 5. Sexy and I Know It - LMFAO 6. Stereo Hearts (feat. Adam Levine) - Gym Class Heroes 7. Without You (feat. Usher) - David Guetta & Usher 8. Party Rock Anthem (feat. Lauren Bennett & GoonRock) - LMFAO 9. Cheers (Drink to That) - Rihanna 10. Yoü and I - Lady GaGa
11. You Make Me Feel... (feat. Sabi) - Cobra Starship 12. It Girl - Jason Derulo 13. It Will Rain - Bruno Mars 14. In the Dark - Dev 15. God Gave Me You - Blake Shelton 16. How to Love - Lil Wayne 17. Rolling in the Deep - ADELE 18. Lighters (feat. Bruno Mars) - Bad Meets Evil 19. Skyscraper - Demi Lovato 20. Strange Clouds (feat. Lil Wayne) - B.o.B
21. Tonight Tonight - Hot Chelle Rae 22. Not Over You - Gavin DeGraw 23. Super Bass - Nicki Minaj 24. Paradise - Coldplay 25. Headlines - Drake 26. If I Die Young - The Band Perry 27. Nothing - The Script 28. Just a Kiss - Lady Antebellum 29. Give Me Everything (feat. Ne-Yo, Afrojack & Nayer) - Pitbull 30. Mr. Saxobeat (Radio Edit) - Alexandra Stan
31. Take a Back Road - Rodney Atkins 32. Good Life - OneRepublic 33. Mr. Know It All - Kelly Clarkson 34. She Will (feat. Drake) - Lil Wayne 35. Love You Like a Love Song - Selena Gomez & the Scene 36. Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) - Katy Perry 37. Remind Me (Duet with Carrie Underwood) - Brad Paisley 38. When We Stand Together - Nickelback 39. Better With the Lights Off (feat. Chris Brown) - New Boyz 40. Crazy Girl - Eli Young Band
41. Ni**as in Paris - Kanye West & JAY Z 42. I Wanna Go - Britney Spears 43. Marvin & Chardonnay (feat. Kanye West & Roscoe Dash) - Big Sean 44. Barefoot Blue Jean Night - Jake Owen 45. Easy - Rascal Flatts & Natasha Bedingfield 46. Dirt Road Anthem - Jason Aldean 47. Set Fire to the Rain - ADELE 48. Take Over Control (Radio Edit) [feat. Eva Simons] - Afrojack 49. The Edge of Glory - Lady GaGa 50. Pretty Girls (feat. Travie McCoy) - Iyaz
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Post by jgizzle89 on Sept 27, 2011 12:26:59 GMT -5
15. Strange Clouds - B.o.B
very happy with this so far. definitely a banger.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 27, 2011 13:19:16 GMT -5
15. God Gave Me You - Blake Shelton
He really is a digital seller.. Shame that the album is struggling to reach 500k as we speak.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Sept 27, 2011 15:23:02 GMT -5
I just don't get how could people listen to it without feeling stupid. Let's just say if it were a Hebrew song, it wouldn't get played because it sounds way too dumb. I really reminds me of kindergarten as it's childish and that video only helps that notion... I think it was a shame because there were such hot songs on that album. If it were a Hebrew song??? WHAT?? A song in Hebrew.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 27, 2011 15:56:31 GMT -5
15. God Gave Me You - Blake Shelton He really is a digital seller.. Shame that the album is struggling to reach 500k as we speak. Give it a little time. Blake Shelton has NEVER been a high-selling album artist to this day. So, by his discography standards, "Red River Blue" is already a commercial achievement. Heck, even Brad Paisley has never went beyond Double Platinum for any release in spite of his radio dominance. Namaste, lisping HIBISCUS
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 27, 2011 16:09:03 GMT -5
"It Will Rain" up to No. 11- soundtrack singles making a comeback.
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Post by Arabella21 on Sept 27, 2011 22:23:42 GMT -5
Live iTunes Popularity Bars | Last update: 2011-09-27 23:20:02 EDT
1 ADELE - Someone Like You 1.0000 2 Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from "Th... 0.9029 3 Rihanna - We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) 0.8339 4 Foster the People - Pumped Up Kicks 0.7974 5 B.o.B - Strange Clouds (feat. Lil Wayne) 0.7177 6 LMFAO - Sexy and I Know It 0.6807 7 Gym Class Heroes - Stereo Hearts (feat. Adam Levine) 0.6405 8 David Guetta & Usher - Without You (feat. Usher) 0.5804 9 LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem (feat. Lauren Bennett & GoonR... 0.5140 10 Bruno Mars - It Will Rain 0.5100
11 Lady GaGa - Yoü and I 0.4729 12 Rihanna - Cheers (Drink to That) 0.4604 13 Cobra Starship - You Make Me Feel... (feat. Sabi) 0.3827 14 Jason Derulo - It Girl 0.3179 15 Dev - In the Dark 0.3134 16 Blake Shelton - God Gave Me You 0.2632 17 Nickelback - When We Stand Together 0.2530 18 Lil Wayne - How to Love 0.2504 19 ADELE - Rolling in the Deep 0.2490 20 Glee Cast - Somewhere (Glee Cast Version) 0.2413
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Post by badrobot on Sept 27, 2011 22:44:46 GMT -5
SLY looks like it will likely reclaim the Hot 100 #1 next week at this rate. If airplay gains keep up it only needs about a 20k lead.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 27, 2011 22:47:54 GMT -5
The video for SLY premieres on Thursday, so we'll see if that gives it a further shot in the arm (as if it really needs it).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 1:04:14 GMT -5
I wonder if MLJ will reclaim the top after SLY knocks it off? With the remix coming soon, it might be a possibility. 2 back and forth #1s in a year, would that be a record?
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