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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 11:39:23 GMT -5
"Repression" didn't occur until 1995, when the chart rules changed to stipulate that a single had to have a full week of sales before entering the chart. Prior to that, if a single was hitting stores the week that corresponded with the Billboard chart date, then that single debuted on the chart. It was common to see debuts in the 40-50 range, if airplay was real strong for a title. Usually, though, the fastest-climbing singles took took at least six weeks to reach No. 1.
Congrats to Katy Perry- fantastic chart era.
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Post by Cory | Alan on Aug 17, 2011 11:44:12 GMT -5
BTW, I have never even heard 2 of the songs that MJ took to #1 off of Bad - and don't get me started om how bad "Bad" is...the song is just terrible.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 17, 2011 11:45:39 GMT -5
Those boobs in your AVI.. They're as legendary as Katy herself! They really are though. :'( |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 17, 2011 11:48:09 GMT -5
BTW, I have never even heard 2 of the songs that MJ took to #1 off of Bad - and don't get me started om how bad "Bad" is...the song is just terrible. Which 2? The only one I haven't heard is the first one. "Bad" is good. :( |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 11:49:59 GMT -5
How can one not have heard all of the "Bad" singles? Granted, some haven't held up in recurrent play like some others, but still. (Then again, prior to his passing, MJ's overall recurrent play was not all that impressive compared to others).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 11:57:01 GMT -5
BTW, I have never even heard 2 of the songs that MJ took to #1 off of Bad - and don't get me started om how bad "Bad" is...the song is just terrible. Some of Katy's #1 singles aren't exactly classics either. The charts are simply about popularity, they often have little to do with quality. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 11:58:03 GMT -5
^Exactly- and something that does need reiterating, no matter how often. :)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 11:59:39 GMT -5
"Repression" didn't occur until 1995, when the chart rules changed to stipulate that a single had to have a full week of sales before entering the chart. Prior to that, if a single was hitting stores the week that corresponded with the Billboard chart date, then that single debuted on the chart. It was common to see debuts in the 40-50 range, if airplay was real strong for a title. Usually, though, the fastest-climbing singles took took at least six weeks to reach No. 1. Congrats to Katy Perry- fantastic chart era. Ttwlg |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 12:03:56 GMT -5
^Wow. 1 week isn't just enough, huh?lol Well, if she can get a second week that will certainly help quell (though not completely silence) anyone who tries to dismiss LFN's eventual success a fluke. We'll see though. Wayne and Drake are starting to drop a little bit, though it's still too soon to call how fast the fall off will be. And MLJ is chugging along quite nicely and steadily. It will be another close week, but not as razor thin as this one. Hope Capitol learns from its mistakes though. No more half-assedness! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 12:03:57 GMT -5
Ad JanStan, TTWLG debuted at No. 4 in airplay, and then sales kicked in the chart thereafter (perhaps partial sales, not sure) or full sales the week after that. Like said, if a single was hitting retail, say, August 16, then the single could debut on the Hot 100 dated August 20.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 12:13:51 GMT -5
Ad JanStan, TTWLG debuted at No. 4 in airplay, and then sales kicked in the chart thereafter (perhaps partial sales, not sure) or full sales the week after that. Like said, if a single was hitting retail, say, August 16, then the single could debut on the Hot 100 dated August 20. Actually street date violations are what caused it to debut early. It actually charted at #75 on the R&B sales chart. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 12:22:57 GMT -5
^Whatever the case may be- that was not an example of "repression." :) It entered Hot 100 Sales at No. 2 that next week, when it climbed 4-2* in airplay.
I'm not sure if the date rules were slightly altered when Billboard started to use BDS/SoundScan started- I do know that prior to that, a single could chart if it was being released commercially in the week corresponding with the chart date. In 1995, that's when Billboard stated a single needed a full week of sales to debut on the Hot 100, and that's when we started seeing the No. 1 debuts, as labels held off a little bit on the commercial single, letting airplay build up for a few weeks or more.
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Post by popstop on Aug 17, 2011 12:30:51 GMT -5
Will Missy get credit on this week's chart? It probably didn't have enough impact for it to count.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 12:31:32 GMT -5
^No- the "remix" would have to comprise the majority of the single's overall sales.
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Post by Caviar on Aug 17, 2011 12:35:54 GMT -5
How close was the margins?
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 12:36:19 GMT -5
If Katy maintains #1 until the MVAs then she will be #1 the week after that too potentially...So what looks like a weak #1 single could very well be a 3-4 week #1 single.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 17, 2011 12:39:24 GMT -5
^Whatever the case may be- that was not an example of "repression." :) It entered Hot 100 Sales at No. 2 that next week, when it climbed 4-2* in airplay. I'm not sure if the date rules were slightly altered when Billboard started to use BDS/SoundScan started- I do know that prior to that, a single could chart if it was being released commercially in the week corresponding with the chart date. In 1995, that's when Billboard stated a single needed a full week of sales to debut on the Hot 100, and that's when we started seeing the No. 1 debuts, as labels held off a little bit on the commercial single, letting airplay build up for a few weeks or more. They didn't say it needed a full sales week to debut on the chart. Tuesday actually became the official release day for music around that time period. I worked for a record store at that time and we literally got the MJ single on monday and they would not sell it until the next day. |
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Post by d.t.m on Aug 17, 2011 13:00:24 GMT -5
If Katy maintains #1 until the MVAs then she will be #1 the week after that too potentially...So what looks like a weak #1 single could very well be a 3-4 week #1 single. I doubt it. If anything MLJ or Wayne would most likely be #1. Congrats to Katy, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 13:02:50 GMT -5
How close was the margins? LFN : 156k Sales + 148 million AI= 304 Chart points PRA : 160k Sales + 142 million AI= 302 Chart points We're not sure, but PRA probably had a streaming advantage aswell, making it even closer. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 17, 2011 13:05:13 GMT -5
16. BEYONCE - Best Thing I Never Had: 57.063 (+ 0.013) #15 tomorrow?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 13:07:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't PRA have to outsell LFN by at least 25k to hold onto #1? No. They need to outsell LFN by 5k to get #1. And it really was exactly 5k that they needed.  |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 17, 2011 13:10:16 GMT -5
I don't understand how PRA was considered to have the bigger streaming total when LFN was #1 on overall airplay? For all we know, LFN couldve had a greater total.
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Post by worldwide on Aug 17, 2011 13:27:47 GMT -5
The purpose of a single is to promote an album. She's had 5#1's, huge singles' sales and airplay and her album hasn't sold 2m yet.
Enough said.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 13:33:45 GMT -5
^In an era of diminishing album sales, when one or two albums reach 2m in sales, the singles have kept the album in the upper region of the chart. So, I'd say they did more than their job in keeping the album afloat. Enough said. ;)
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Post by hitseeker. on Aug 17, 2011 13:33:50 GMT -5
The purpose of a single is to promote an album. She's had 5#1's, huge singles' sales and airplay and her album hasn't sold 2m yet. Enough said. That's because she's the true definition of a singles artist. However, her album has remained consistent in the Billboard 200, always in the Top20-25 and that's important imo, this album will continue to sell for a while after this era is done, I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 13:38:53 GMT -5
This has sold what, 23 million singles? That's basically equal to another 2.3 million album sales.
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Post by wavey. on Aug 17, 2011 13:38:57 GMT -5
^In an era of diminishing album sales, when one or two albums reach 2m in sales, the singles have kept the album in the upper region of the chart. So, I'd say they did more than their job in keeping the album afloat. Enough said. ;) Bam. |
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Post by worldwide on Aug 17, 2011 13:41:33 GMT -5
This has sold what, 23 million singles? That's basically equal to another 2.3 million album sales. you wish! revenue wise, yes. but it's a shame when you sell 23m singles and less than 2m of albums. I'm well aware of sales deline. If she sold like 4m it would be ok, but less than 2m makes me |
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Post by cucky on Aug 17, 2011 13:53:49 GMT -5
I'm so glad Katy is now History What are the chances of her releasing a 6th single (I believe "Peacock") in order to SURPASS this record? |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 17, 2011 13:59:02 GMT -5
Billboard wrote that all versions were 69 cents last week- I thought the original wasn't 69 cents until this week?
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