Billboard Hot 100: 12/3/11

[cesarams]

It would be really nice if all these restrictions at the hot 100 could end up. If the song is successful, it should continue in the chart, no matter how long.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Nov 22, 2011 13:18:45 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I've been saying this forever:

They need a "current singles" chart and an "all songs" chart, like they used to have with the BB200 and the Comprehensive Albums list.

All songs would include everything based on the standard point system -- no songs held back as recurrent, no songs denied entry because they are too old.

And with that I would also say the current singles chart should take the current H100 formula and add a few more rules to stop the debuts of non-radio songs, so that the onslaught of album cuts and Glee songs stops. Songs would have a minimum requirement of airplay (say, 5m audience) to chart.

The HOT 100 is quite a bit different from the BB 200 albums chart in terms of purpose and methodology.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Nov 22, 2011 19:02:00 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Nov 22, 2011 13:18:45 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I've been saying this forever:

They need a "current singles" chart and an "all songs" chart, like they used to have with the BB200 and the Comprehensive Albums list.

All songs would include everything based on the standard point system -- no songs held back as recurrent, no songs denied entry because they are too old.

And with that I would also say the current singles chart should take the current H100 formula and add a few more rules to stop the debuts of non-radio songs, so that the onslaught of album cuts and Glee songs stops. Songs would have a minimum requirement of airplay (say, 5m audience) to chart.

The HOT 100 is quite a bit different from the BB 200 albums chart in terms of purpose and methodology.

I disagree. Until Michael Jackson died BB had the same methodology with the BB200 and Comprehensive Chart and before that - for years so-called exclusives were could not chart. If you allow Glee and unpromoted album track to chart, then why not recurrents that have HUGE airplay + sales. Of course, AIWFCIY is the prime example - it has both airplay and sales. If it makes the Top 50, then it should chart. Same thing should have happen when Chris Brown's Forever got the huge sales boost from the wedding video. That's far more accurate about what's happening than a Glee mash-up that had three minutes on TV.

[renfield75]

I agree...it would have been nice to see Jeff Buckley get a long-overdue top 40 hit when "Hallelujah" rocketed to number one on iTunes following American Idol exposure. Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" has, amazingly, been one of the biggest hits of the last 5 years; why not reflect that on the Hot 100? That sounds more plausible than Taylor Swift's "Untouchable" being a blink-and-you-missed-it top 20 hit in 2009.

[leoapp]

Yes, if Billboard allows any Glee songs and all album tracks (like on Taylor Swift's albums) to chart on Hot 100, WHY NOT for old songs (whether they have charted/haven't charted on Hot 100) to chart with enough sales and airplay like AIWFCIY, or all MJ's songs post his death for example?
Why? Why? Why?

[Deleted]

Un promoted album tracks, Glee songs and any other new track that you can think of have always been allowed to chart provided the individual song was available for purchase in the prime format of the day that "singles" were released in.

Nothing has changed. Except now that all songs are available in the same format as a "single"

"Blink and you missed it" top 20 hits from Taylor Swift are accurate for that week. Which seems fine to me since the Hot 100 is a popularity chart for the week.

[renfield75]

Nov 22, 2011 19:36:02 GMT -5 @2m said:

Un promoted album tracks, Glee songs and any other new track that you can think of have always been allowed to chart provided the individual song was available for purchase in the prime format of the day that "singles" were released in.

Nothing has changed. Except now that all songs are available in the same format as a "single"

"Blink and you missed it" top 20 hits from Taylor Swift are accurate for that week. Which seems fine to me since the Hot 100 is a popularity chart for the week.

I dispute none of what you said. But then why not also reflect the current popularity of older tracks as well? You yourself were a big proponent of Michael Jackson getting BB200 credit for having the best-selling album in the country in 2009, do you not think the same standards should apply to the singles chart?

[Deleted]

Of course

[Deleted]

I'd agree if the Hot 100 was only sales based, but the airplay side of things makes it so messy. Ex. Just the Way You Are, Dynamite, I Gotta Feeling, Forget You, Need You Now.. and many others get such ridiculous recurrent play and took forever to get off the top 50, and would take just as long to leave the top 100; if they still wouldn't be there now... Having a song in the top 100 for 2 years+ straight is a little more than annoying. I remember how everyone kept complaining about how I'm Yours was on for a ridiculous number of weeks and wouldn't leave.

Currently, about half of the bottom 50 is full of a bunch of random Country and Urban songs no ones ever heard of (unless you're a core fan of that genre.) With the other half being relitvely unknown songs, ie. songs trying to breakthrough and become major hits. With recurrents being shoved into there, it'd end up being more than half filled with old songs and the other half filled with Country/Urban songs and maybe 5-10 slots of new emerging songs Which basically would make the entire bottom 50 pointless to even bother publishing.

I think the best comprimise is this: Any song can enter the top 50 if garners enough points to chart there, regardless of age (get rid of the "being actively promoted to radio" nonsense). And leave the bottom 50 as a place for emerging songs to grow.

Also, the number of weeks should be upped from 20 to 26; half a year, makes more sense..

[renfield75]

That all sounds like a good compromise. I agree that "actively promoted to radio" is irrelevant since, as 2m pointed out, all songs are essentially singles now. The majority of those Glee, Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne, etc songs are not actively promoted to radio, which is where the phrase "focus track" came from. If it's selling well enough or receiving enough airplay to be in the top 50, regardless of age, it should be.

[jebsib]

The practice of sending older tracks to the Recurrent Chart was started on 11/30/91 as a way of keeping the chart 'fresh' and help developing-acts hit the big chart. The fear of Record Industry pros at the time was that the chart would get clogged with certain songs (perhaps up to 10 or 15 a week) that would stay on for more than a year. Ironically, that started to happen anyway between 1996 and 1998 when commercial singles were phased out. Following the Hot 100 back then was painful with so many songs on the chart for 50+ weeks.

ry4n has come up with the best solution I've ever heard.

[HolidayGuy]

A number of tracks' initial chart peaks do not reflect how "big" they got after their first release, or how widely known they became in the years following that first release. Does it really matter if the latest AIWFCIY gets higher than No. 83? Of course not. People know the definitive version is the original, and that's the one they'll continue hearing a lot of year in and year out for several weeks on an annual basis. Plus, that No. 83 peak isn't even for the original, correct? Rather, for the So-So-Def remix, even if the credit on the chart didn't reflect that.

I don't see Billboard altering the recurrent rules any time soon, just because the singles chart is a different animal than the albums chart.

[renfield75]

Nov 22, 2011 23:19:22 GMT -5 jebsib said:

The practice of sending older tracks to the Recurrent Chart was started on 11/30/91 as a way of keeping the chart 'fresh' and help developing-acts hit the big chart. The fear of Record Industry pros at the time was that the chart would get clogged with certain songs (perhaps up to 10 or 15 a week) that would stay on for more than a year. Ironically, that started to happen anyway between 1996 and 1998 when commercial singles were phased out. Following the Hot 100 back then was painful with so many songs on the chart for 50+ weeks.

ry4n has come up with the best solution I've ever heard.

Remember when Billboard initially over-did it? The rule on 11/30/91 was 20/20, meaning a song dropping below no.20 after 20 weeks was removed. Salt-N-Pepa's "Let's Talk About Sex" fell victim to that. On 1/25/92 they adjusted to 20/40, then on 12/5/92 finally moved to a 20/50 rule.

[leoapp]

Nov 22, 2011 23:55:15 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

A number of tracks' initial chart peaks do not reflect how "big" they got after their first release, or how widely known they became in the years following that first release. Does it really matter if the latest AIWFCIY gets higher than No. 83? Of course not. People know the definitive version is the original, and that's the one they'll continue hearing a lot of year in and year out for several weeks on an annual basis. Plus, that No. 83 peak isn't even for the original, correct? Rather, for the So-So-Def remix, even if the credit on the chart didn't reflect that.

I don't see Billboard altering the recurrent rules any time soon, just because the singles chart is a different animal than the albums chart.

No, it doesn't matter if AIWFCIY can peak higher than #83. However, i think it'd be more fair if ANY SONGS with enough sales and airplay of certain week, are allowed to chart on Hot 100, to represent REAL popular songs of the week. Glee songs and album tracks are allowed, but old songs MUST be allowed as well. AIWFCIY is just one example, other examples were all MJ songs post his death in 2009 who charted high on digital sales or Chris Brown's Forever who suddenly got popular again after a wedding video.

[Enigma.]

I'm sort of against this because I don't think old MJ songs are now more popular than they were in the 90s when they were unable to chart because of the rules BUT also because they weren't available as a single to buy.

Also, it is a bit ridiculous to think that Billboard would allow old songs to enter the hit chart when the business is all about new and current hits.

[Envoirment]

Today's update:


1. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 133.484 (+ 1.359)
2. ADELE - Someone Like You: 124.952 (- 2.192)
3. MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 121.860 (- 2.198)
4. GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine: 121.069 (- 1.138)
5. DAVID GUETTA - Without You f/Usher: 115.515 (+ 1.316)
6. LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 104.496 (+ 1.295)
7. COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 86.663 (- 0.196)
8. DRAKE - Headlines: 84.414 (- 0.409)
9. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 75.441 (+ 0.835)
10. T-PAIN - 5 O'clock f/Wiz Khalifa: 70.168 (+ 1.589)
11. FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Pumped Up Kicks: 67.239 (- 1.266)
12. J. COLE - Workout: 65.577 (+ 0.445)
13. FLO RIDA - Good Feeling: 65.435 (+ 1.690)
14. BRUNO MARS - It Will Rain: 65.016 (+ 1.477)
15. DEV - In The Dark: 62.823 (- 0.389)
16. KATY PERRY - The One That Got Away: 62.785 (+ 1.362)
17. KELLY CLARKSON - Mr. Know It All: 61.286 (+ 0.122)
18. LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 56.136 (- 0.399)
19. LIL WAYNE - She Will f/Drake: 55.563 (- 0.500)
20. PITBULL - Give Me Everything f/Ne-Yo: 51.335 (- 1.130)


LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 51.230 (- 0.936)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Baggage Claim: 46.555 (+ 0.359)
JASON DERULO - It Girl: 43.461 (- 0.426)
BEYONCE - Party f/Kanye & Andre: 43.151 (+ 0.339)
DRAKE - Make Me Proud f/Nicki Minaj: 27.660 (+ 0.563)
RIHANNA - You Da One: 24.174 (+ 1.009)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE: Love You Like A Love Song: 22.899 (+ 0.311)
COLDPLAY - Paradise: 19.771 (+ 0.180)
MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 19.294 (+ 2.183)
LADY GAGA - Marry The Night: 18.381 (+ 0.864)
JESSIE J - Domino: 16.487 (+ 0.170)
BEYONCE - Countdown: 14.713 (- 0.432)
BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout: 11.850 (+ 0.363)
ADELE - Set Fire To The Rain: 7.708 (+ 0.552)
EVANESCENCE - What You Want: 6.365 (+ 0.028)
AVRIL LAVIGNE - Wish You Were Here: 6.235 (- 0.015)
WILL. I. AM - T.H.E (The Hardest Ever): 1.050

[Deleted]

Nov 23, 2011 3:32:08 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I'm sort of against this because I don't think old MJ songs are now more popular than they were in the 90s when they were unable to chart because of the rules BUT also because they weren't available as a single to buy.

Also, it is a bit ridiculous to think that Billboard would allow old songs to enter the hit chart when the business is all about new and current hits.

True, it is never going to happen, until their true customers want to see something like that. They were just wishing for the chart they would like to see.

[#LisaRinna]

MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 19.294 (+ 2.183)

Yup! That's how you do it

[NeRD]

Looks like the Christmas freeze should be upon us within the next week or so, making the Hot 100 look very stagnant for a while.

[SPRΞΞ]

Nov 23, 2011 10:18:50 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Looks like the Christmas freeze should be upon us within the next week or so, making the Hot 100 look very stagnant for a while.

What are you talking about? It's still November.

[Rodze]

www.billboard.com/#/news/drake-s-take-care-blasts-onto-billboard-1005558752.story

Over on the Digital Songs chart, Rihanna's "We Found Love" (featuring Calvin Harris) is still sitting pretty at No. 1, selling another 211,000 downloads (down 7%). LMFAO's "Sexy and I Know It" is a non-mover at No. 2, with 181,000 (down 7%). Bruno Mars' "It Will Rain," from the film "Twilight: Breaking Dawn, Part 1," rises 8-3 (171,000; up 32%) following the release of the movie last week.

Drake's "Take Care," featuring Rihanna, debuts at No. 4 with 162,000 while the "Glee" cast's mash-up of Adele's "Rumour Has It"/"Someone Like You" bows at No. 5 with 160,000. For "Glee," this marks the fifth-largest sales week of any of their singles, surpassed by only the debuts of "Teenage Dream" (214,000), "Loser Like Me" (210,000), "Forget You" (192,000) and "Don't Stop Believin'" (177,000).

David Guetta's "Without You" (featuring Usher) falls 4-6 (140,000; down 13%), Flo Rida's "Good Feeling" holds steady at No. 7 (139,000; down less than 1% and Adele's "Someone Like You" drops 6-8 (137,000; down 4%).

Rihanna's new "You Da One" arrives straight in at No. 9 (124,000) while another Drake track from his "Take Care" album, "The Motto" (featuring Lil Wayne), bows at No. 10 (124,000).

Digital track sales this past week totaled 21.73 million downloads, down 4% compared to last week (22.70 million) and down 3% stacked next to the comparable week of 2010 (22.45 million). Year to date track sales are at 1.10 billion, up 10% compared to the same total at this point last year (1.00 billion).

[HolidayGuy]

AC is the formats that goes into holiday-music overdrive for much of the season; pop radio, rhythmic, urban, etc. doesn't play holiday music nearly as much. The two biggest days wee see major gains for holiday music are, I believe, Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day.

[Agent Yoncé]

Maybe I'm chasing pavements, but it would be nice to see 'Party' become a Top 20 airplay hit :)

[HolidayGuy]

On the 11/26 airplay chart, "Party" moved 39-32*. Without pop support and lesser rhythmic play (top 20 at the moment on Mediabase's chart), it may be a challenge. Nonetheless, it's performed great at urban and has done great at rhythmic, despite not being officially promoted at that format.

[Deleted]

Nov 23, 2011 11:27:26 GMT -5 Agent Yoncé said:

Maybe I'm chasing pavements, but it would be nice to see 'Party' become a Top 20 airplay hit :)

Yeah that's why I'm hoping it can still reach 50 million AI. Rhythmic needs some huge updates for that to happen though.

[Agent Yoncé]

It had a nice update on Rhythmic today. It's #19 now. Is it officially released over there now?

[Deleted]

Rihanna's 'Love' Still Leads Hot 100, Katy Perry Back in Top 10

Rihanna tallies a fourth week at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with "We Found Love" (featuring Calvin Harris), while she makes history on the Digital Songs chart with a little help from friend Drake.

Katy Perry, meanwhile, adds to her achievement-laden year with a sixth Hot 100 top 10 from her album "Teenage Dream."

"Found," the lead single from Rihanna's sixth studio album, "Talk That Talk," released Monday (Nov. 21), spends a fourth week at No. 1 on the Digital Songs chart with 211,000 downloads sold, down 6%, according to Nielsen SoundScan. On Radio Songs, the track lifts 3-1 with 129 million all-format audience impressions, up 14%, according to Nielsen BDS, granting the title Airplay Gainer honors on the Hot 100 for a fourth consecutive week.

Rihanna, 'Talk That Talk': Track-By-Track Review

"Found" is Rihanna's ninth No. 1 on Radio Songs, the second-best sum after Island Def Jam labelmate Mariah Carey's 11 dating to the chart's inception 21 years ago.

It's a historic week on Digital Songs for Rihanna, who becomes the first woman to chart three titles in the top 10 simultaneously, as two new tracks join "Found" in the upper tier: Drake's "Take Care," on which she guests, arrives at No. 4 (162,000) and her own "You Da One" opens at No. 9 (124,000). No artist had placed as many entries in the chart's top 10 since a record six songs by Michael Jackson, led by "Thriller" at No. 2, ranked in the region the week of July 11, 2009, following his passing.

On the Hot 100, "Take Care" storms in as the chart's highest debut at No. 9 and "You Da One" vaults 73-14 in its second chart week.

Drake's 'Take Care' Blasts Onto Billboard 200

Below Rihanna's reigning Hot 100 leader, LMFAO's "Sexy and I Know It" logs a third week at No. 2. The cut remains at No. 2 on Digital Songs (182,000, down 7%), while holding at No. 6 on Radio Songs (104 million, up 7%).

Adele's former five-week No. 1 "Someone Like You" remains at No. 3 on the Hot 100, while the cast of Fox's "Glee" sends its mash-up of the ballad with fellow Adele song "Rumour Has It" onto the Hot 100 at No. 11 with opening-week sales of 160,000, marking the troupe's fifth-highest ever digital sales frame. The ensemble's exposure for "Rumour" also spurs the original version's best digital sales week (42,000, up 171%) and Hot 100 ranking, as it re-enters at No. 60; Adele's version of "Rumour" had risen as high as No. 96 in August amid its chart-topping run on the Triple A radio airplay tally.

David Guetta's "Without You," featuring Usher, holds at No. 4 on the Hot 100, while Bruno Mars jumps 9-5 with "It Will Rain." Mars' song from the "Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn: Part 1" soundtrack claims the Hot 100's Digital Gainer ribbon, rising 8-3 on Digital Songs (171,000, up 32%). On Radio Songs, it climbs 19-17 (58 million, up 18%).

Former four-week No. 1 "Moves Like Jagger" by Maroon 5 featuring Christina Aguilera drops 5-6 on the Hot 100; Flo Rida's "Good Feeling" lifts 8-7; and, Gym Class Heroes' "Stereo Hearts," featuring Maroon 5's Adam Levine, drops 6-8.

Above Drake and Rihanna's entrance at No. 9 on the Hot 100 with "Take Care," Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" becomes just the seventh album in the 53-year history of the Hot 100 to generate at least six top 10s, as "The One That Got Away" leaps 15-10. The song joins the set's first five singles, all of which reached No. 1: "California Gurls," featuring Snoop Dogg; the title cut, "Firework"; "E.T.," featuring Kanye West; and, "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)."

A special Chart Beat spotlight on the achievement -- plus a look at what additional history could await Perry should "One" reach No. 1 -- runs down the seven such albums in the elite club, along with each collection's top 10 tracks.


www.billboard.com/#/news/rihanna-s-love-still-leads-hot-100-katy-1005560752.story

[HolidayGuy]

Lawdy- is there any doubt that RiRi will be breaking more chart records of all sorts, with all the collaborations she's doing?

[felipe]

Nov 23, 2011 3:32:08 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Also, it is a bit ridiculous to think that Billboard would allow old songs to enter the hit chart when the business is all about new and current hits.

The business is about selling music, whether it is new or old. If old music is selling enough to enter the charts, it means it's making as much money as new songs.

[jgizzle89]

8. DRAKE - Headlines: 84.414 (- 0.409)
9. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 75.441 (+ 0.835)
10. T-PAIN - 5 O'clock f/Wiz Khalifa: 70.168 (+ 1.589)

It's really a shame that NONE of these 3 have made the BB Hot 100 top 10 yet. T-pain came closest (#11) and, to me, was the most surprising considering his pop airplay with this hit. Then again, both he and Jay/Kanye haven't performed these hits on any major formats yet...