Billboard 200: 12/3/11: Drake No. 1- 631,000

[SPRΞΞ]

65 49 73 67 * PERRY*KATY TEENAGE DREAM 9848 17 8386 1868592
26 41 70 72 LADY GAGA BORN THIS WAY 9026 6 8482 1902363

a lot closer than most predicted, i'm sure. ;)

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Nov 24, 2011 0:23:06 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

65 49 73 67 * PERRY*KATY TEENAGE DREAM 9848 17 8386 1868592
26 41 70 72 LADY GAGA BORN THIS WAY 9026 6 8482 1902363

a lot closer than most predicted, i'm sure. ;)

65 weeks, 5 #1's, and an additional top ten single later, and she's still outsold by Gaga's "flopping" era that has been charting for less than half of the amount of time. ;)

[TGIF]

Nov 24, 2011 0:27:37 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Nov 24, 2011 0:23:06 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

65 49 73 67 * PERRY*KATY TEENAGE DREAM 9848 17 8386 1868592
26 41 70 72 LADY GAGA BORN THIS WAY 9026 6 8482 1902363

a lot closer than most predicted, i'm sure. ;)

65 weeks, 5 #1's, and an additional top ten single later, and she's still outsold by Gaga's "flopping" era that has been charting for less than half of the amount of time. ;)

BTW has been out for 6 months & its already lower on the chart than TD is & its still falling.

we all know why Gaga's total sales are so high though, theres at least about 400k that cant be used to judge against other singers b/c of the Amazon deal

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

The album is barely lower than TD, and I fail to see how an increase in sales from its previous week is "still falling."

And enough with the fucking 99 cents jabs. The sales are legitimate sales. They're counted in her total. There's nothing you can do about it. You cannot discredit them. And who are you to say that those 400k in sales would not have happened regardless of the sale? You cannot. That's presumptuous. Unless you're a god, higher being, or all knowing, sit the fuck down.

The numbers are there. And the numbers don't lie. Nothing in my post was wrong, so sit down and reevaluate your life.

[SPRΞΞ]

The sales are legitimate sales.

then why the sudden rule change by Billboard? Hmm?

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

That point is moot because all final sales counted by Soundscan are final, hence 'final sales.' The rules are not retroactive, so your point fails. The sales would not be legitimate now, but they were then. I don't see your point tbh. Rules change over time. For example, certain defense formations in basketball were once allowed, but are now banned. Does that change any of the defense statistics, games won, awards, ETC. made before the change? No. Do they make any of them any less legitimate? Also, no.

The word "legitimate" is defined as "in accordance with established rules, principles, or standards." The 99 cent sales thus qualify. Argue all you want, but you are wrong if you deny the sales.

I'm done.

[SPRΞΞ]

i'm not denying anything. I've never said they shouldn't be counted. But the fact that Billboard has quickly changed their rules to avoid such schemes is clear that they do not approve of such tactics, no matter who it originated from. That is all.

all im saying is that it's been said way back when that BTW would obliviate TD's sales in the long run, and that has clearly not happened. It's very close.

for a single's artist such as Katy selling more albums than an album artist such as Gaga is kudos to her, regardless of #1's, #2's or whatever.

we still have what...5 weeks left in the year? Should be fun to watch. :)

[Push The Button]

Really? 800 copies?

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Nov 24, 2011 1:16:56 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

for a single's artist such as Katy selling more albums than an album artist such as Gaga is kudos to her, regardless of #1's, #2's or whatever.

The problem with this statement is that it isn't true. She isn't selling more. At least she is not overall. One week where she's sold 800 copies more is not indicative of anything nor is it impressive in any way.

[neverduplicated]

I'm really tired of people getting so defensive over the whole 99 cent scandal. Granted I don't think people should bring it up to discredit Gaga, but the fact of the matter is that it is significant and worth mentioning when discussing the success of BTW in the US. It's just like Mariah's "Loverboy" reaching number 2 on the Hot 100 due to the 49 cent pricing of the single. It's just a fact that it did affect its sales and chart performance. Why is it so hard for people to accept that it did make a big difference? I realize we'll never know what the sales of BTW would be without the sale, but I'm pretty certain lots of people would never have bought the album including me. I bought it for 99 cents, gave it a few listens, decided it was terrible, and haven't listened to it again. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

By that same token, I think it's worth mentioning that TD has been perpetually discounted throughout its chart run which has boosted sales of the album, perhaps even to the degree that BTW was boosted, though the sales have not been as drastic as 99 cents.

As for comparisons with TD, the TD era as a whole has obviously been much more successful than BTW given their almost identical album sales and the fact that TD has destroyed all other recent albums in the singles department.

[SPRΞΞ]

and i also don't get the theory that a #1 should make people inherently buy an album. What if Katy had 5 #2's? Would people complain then? Would she all of a sudden be an album seller because she didn't have any #1's? Why does 1 position on the Hot 100 chart (the difference between having a song at #1 and #2) have anything to do with the Billboard top 200 chart?

[Rodze]

People just bring it regarding Gaga because they are jealous and fell threatened, or just to simply troll. I don't know which reason is sillier.

[Deleted]

No more Katy vs. Gaga comparisons and no more discussion of whether or not Gaga's Amazon sales are legitimate if you can't be civil about the argument.

[#LisaRinna]

39 48 BEYONCE 4 14130 -1 14263 921416
Closer and closer to that milli and still consistent week by week

194 107 * CAREY*MARIAH MERRY CHRISTMAS II YOU 6023 83 3300 450165
142 119 * CAREY*MARIAH MERRY CHRISTMAS 5408 33 4068 5136206
I can't believe the new album is outselling the older one :o

[areyoureadytojump]

^I can. There are more copies of MCIIY on the shelves because it came out last year.

[Honeymoon]

MCIIY will fly past 500k in December

[areyoureadytojump]

For the second week in a row, no new RIAA certifications on the Billboard 200.

[TGIF]

Nov 24, 2011 4:06:23 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

and i also don't get the theory that a #1 should make people inherently buy an album. What if Katy had 5 #2's? Would people complain then? Would she all of a sudden be an album seller because she didn't have any #1's? Why does 1 position on the Hot 100 chart (the difference between having a song at #1 and #2) have anything to do with the Billboard top 200 chart?

EXACTLY!! people just want to find something negative about Katy because she has amazing success with BOTH singles & albums so they try to use the #1 theory against her like this is 2004 when albums selling 2 million was kinda easy.

not to go back on the argument but to CLEAR UP some stuff .. i was never trying to discredit Gaga's total sales b/c they are copies of her albums sold ... what i was saying was the opposite, to NOT compare Gaga & Katy's sales b/c you just cant. like Billboard said, it is not an accurate representation of sales in comparison to other acts b/c you cant compare an album selling for $11 to one selling for $1. i was just saying to Guy that he can't compare them b/c theres no real way to.

there was nothing in SPRΞΞ's post at the top of the page to even warrant that Guy member to troll or bait for an argument. TD and BTW could both sell over 2 million & thats amazing bottom line

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2011 0:47:20 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

And enough with the f**king 99 cents jabs. The sales are legitimate sales. They're counted in her total. There's nothing you can do about it. You cannot discredit them. And who are you to say that those 400k in sales would not have happened regardless of the sale? You cannot. That's presumptuous. Unless you're a god, higher being, or all knowing, sit the f**k down.

Common sense? Even if 90% of the 400k amazon buyers would have bought it anyway at full price, she'd still be below Katy right now, and probably for a while, as she isn't really outselling her.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

^ Thank you for defying a moderator's request.

No one was trolling. And SPREE is not stupid. He knew the possible reaction to his post. If anything, his post was the baiting one.

And your argument doesn't make sense, but I won't draw this out any further.

[TGIF]

Nov 24, 2011 11:56:59 GMT -5 Codex said:

Nov 24, 2011 0:47:20 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

And enough with the f**king 99 cents jabs. The sales are legitimate sales. They're counted in her total. There's nothing you can do about it. You cannot discredit them. And who are you to say that those 400k in sales would not have happened regardless of the sale? You cannot. That's presumptuous. Unless you're a god, higher being, or all knowing, sit the f**k down.

Common sense? Even if 90% of the 400k amazon buyers would have bought it anyway at full price, she'd still be below Katy right now, and probably for a while, as she isn't really outselling her.

this is common sense but dont bother with him ... that member's inability to remain civil is what brought the Mod in here i think, b/c he randomly started shading Katy out of nowhere & starting blowing up taking things personal when he was dealt with

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

I have taken absolutely NOTHING personal. And the moderator's comment was directed toward everyone.

Common sense? Common sense would tell you that 1.9m is greater than 1.8m.

[Rurry]

Did you guys not see Touch the Fire Twice's comment or did you choose to just ignore it completely? ???

Either way...stop.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Nov 24, 2011 6:02:14 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

194 107 * CAREY*MARIAH MERRY CHRISTMAS II YOU 6023 83 3300 450165
142 119 * CAREY*MARIAH MERRY CHRISTMAS 5408 33 4068 5136206
I can't believe the new album is outselling the older one :o

The newer one is probably better stocked.

[Deleted]

Yes, 1,902,363 is greater than 1,868,592, but only by 34k. The same way that 9848 is greater than 9026. There's really no need to label any of them as selling better than the other, in the end, they are basically selling the same currently, with the same overall total.

I agree with both of you, actually. Yes, the Amazon sales are legitimate sales, they were bought, and are counted in GaGas total. However, as SPREE pointed out, that rule was changed. Yes, that doesn't mean that they don't count anymore, but obviously Billboard agrees that albums sold for 99 cents shouldn't be compared to albums sold full price, or even for 3.99$. We don't know the exact percentage of people that only bought it because it was discounted, and we never will, but I think it's safe to say that they make up all, or at least most of, the sales difference between Teenage Dream and Born this Way right now.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

[Deleted]

44 16 31 45 BOYZ II MEN BEST OF BOYZ II MEN-MILLENNIUM 3836 -3 3973 672556


Could ya'lls faves though? jw

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

Nov 24, 2011 0:02:29 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

I'm getting spoiled with these every week. Gonna be hard times when we're back to once every year or so for the Catalog chart.

that's right, so i guess we have to enjoy it while it lasts!

[areyoureadytojump]

Crosses the 1 million scanned amrk this week:

39 CLAPTON*ERIC BEST OF ERIC CLAPTON-MILLENNIU 4,436 -3% 4,591 1,002,169 (not certified)

[HolidayGuy]

With holiday sales peaking in roughly three weeks or so, will MCIIU fly past 500K? Could be close- it's already certified gold, though.

Kenny G's Miracles is back on the catalog chart- the label probably increased its shipments once it saw how Josh Groban's album was selling. :)

[areyoureadytojump]

7,043,000 million albums were sold last week.

2,172,000 were digital albums.

4,871,000 were physical cds.