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Post by mcbrearty on Jan 7, 2012 19:05:39 GMT -5
Love it, think it sounds terrific and it's subject matter needs to be dealt with.
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Post by dgarcia3377 on Jan 8, 2012 11:37:58 GMT -5
Just heard part of the song from watching the game yesterday.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 8, 2012 13:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 13:48:13 GMT -5
This is meh.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 9, 2012 8:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by lockebox on Jan 12, 2012 10:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Jan 13, 2012 17:47:21 GMT -5
Sad that this will prematurely end Face To The Floors run at the top spo.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 13, 2012 18:03:44 GMT -5
Sad that this will prematurely end Face To The Floors run at the top spo. I don't think "prematurely" is the right word. Chevelle has already spent an exorbitantly long time parked at #1. I don't mean that as a diss on the "Face To The Floor". Rather, I mean that the reason it even hit #1 for multiple weeks is due to the timing of its release. Just as December eats up albums as Pen has mentioned a fair number of times, this fact also makes it so very few lead singles are contending for the top spot in late December into January. Hence, Chevelle's tough break on the BB200 has been rewarded with a long reign at the top of the Mainstream Rock/Active Rock charts. If Hats Off To The Bull and thus "Face To The Floor" were each released two to three months later than they were, the album probably hits around #10, and "Face To The Floor" probably misses the top spot altogether.
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Jan 13, 2012 18:35:55 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic ... although I love Face to the Floor. ;)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 13, 2012 19:50:18 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic ... ;) The nuances that are lost online.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 15, 2012 8:09:08 GMT -5
Sad that this will prematurely end Face To The Floors run at the top spo. I don't think "prematurely" is the right word. Chevelle has already spent an exorbitantly long time parked at #1. I don't mean that as a diss on the "Face To The Floor". Rather, I mean that the reason it even hit #1 for multiple weeks is due to the timing of its release. Just as December eats up albums as Pen has mentioned a fair number of times, this fact also makes it so very few lead singles are contending for the top spot in late December into January. Hence, Chevelle's tough break on the BB200 has been rewarded with a long reign at the top of the Mainstream Rock/Active Rock charts. If Hats Off To The Bull and thus "Face To The Floor" were each released two to three months later than they were, the album probably hits around #10, and "Face To The Floor" probably misses the top spot altogether. I'd disagree with that last part. I think they built up enough momentum with the singles from "Sci-Fi Crimes" to achieve a #1 with the lead single from the follow-up album no matter when the release. They probably deserve slightly more credit, seeing as they've fended off the likes of Avenged Sevenfold, Nickelback & Staind.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 15, 2012 16:58:47 GMT -5
^Ehhh a 4th single, a lead single from the most hated band in America, and a song that already hit #1 and was already descending isn't that much competition. At most points during the year, there would be competition from a lead single by one of the 10 biggest active rock bands, and the fact that they caught Nickelback and not Shinedown is a big part of how they lucked out. I think if any of the other biggest rock bands (without the backlash Nickelback has) were to release their anticipated lead single at the same time as Chevelle, "Face To The Floor" would be logging in all these weeks at #2, and the reason they don't have to deal with a couple of these is timing. I think "Jars" was up against a lot tougher competition, all from lead singles (eg "Check My Brain", "I Will Not Bow", "Whiskey Hangover", and "You're Going Down", which had been on the chart awhile on a trajectory for the top spot with triple-digit gains before finally hitting #1). That's the primary difference in performance between "Jars" and "Face To The Floor".
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 15, 2012 22:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by lockebox on Jan 16, 2012 10:25:55 GMT -5
^Ehhh a 4th single, a lead single from the most hated band in America, and a song that already hit #1 and was already descending isn't that much competition. At most points during the year, there would be competition from a lead single by one of the 10 biggest active rock bands, and the fact that they caught Nickelback and not Shinedown is a big part of how they lucked out. I think if any of the other biggest rock bands (without the backlash Nickelback has) were to release their anticipated lead single at the same time as Chevelle, "Face To The Floor" would be logging in all these weeks at #2, and the reason they don't have to deal with a couple of these is timing. I think "Jars" was up against a lot tougher competition, all from lead singles (eg "Check My Brain", "I Will Not Bow", "Whiskey Hangover", and "You're Going Down", which had been on the chart awhile on a trajectory for the top spot with triple-digit gains before finally hitting #1). That's the primary difference in performance between "Jars" and "Face To The Floor". You don't think it would have hit #1 in July/August? "Lowlife" stumbled along to hit the summit after 14 weeks, "So Far Away" never amassed a real substantial amount of spins, and I don't think there's a chance in hell that "Sick" would have outpeaked it had they been released at the same time. I think there's a pretty legitimate chance that it would have beat out "Lies of the Beautiful People" aswell.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 17, 2012 0:12:31 GMT -5
I guess that many of those are true. I don't agree that the momentum of Sci-Fi Crimes singles brought them here, because if anything, the Vena Sera ones were bigger, which should have given Jars a chance to hit #1 as well...but I think the major difference is the competition was tougher in the fall of '09 than the winter of '11-'12. And notice I said if the song/album were released two-three months later than they were...not in the past times you just said. If Chevelle had to go up against "Bully" and the plethora of other upcoming releases, I think its performance would have been a lot more similar to "Jars".
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Post by lockebox on Jan 18, 2012 11:53:30 GMT -5
There's not too many bands that could compete with "Bully," though. The competition may have been fiercer in 2009, but the point is that I think it's unfair to just single out Chevelle as being lucky when many other active rock #1's would struggle up against Shinedown. I certainly think Chevelle deserved their #1 more than Adelitas Way & Theory of a Deadman.
I don't think the "Vena Sera" era was bigger than the "Sci-Fi Crimes" one, either. "Jars" performed considerably better than "Well Enough Alone" chartwise. Generally, I think most of their fanbase preferred "Jars" aswell. Bar the opening moments, "Well Enough Alone" was pretty weak-ass compared to their other lead singles (I think you disliked the song, too?). "Letter from a Thief" also outperformed "I Get It" on Active.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 18, 2012 17:30:30 GMT -5
"I Get It" was definitely bigger overall than "Letter From A Thief"...both in alternative peak and overall longevity. And I'd argue that "The Fad" was overall bigger than "Shameful Metaphors"
I agree with "Jars" over "Well Enough Alone"...but I think Chevelle was a bigger, more relevant band during the Vena Sera era.
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Post by Devin on Jan 18, 2012 19:55:47 GMT -5
Chevelle were coming off an arguably decent era when Vena Sera was released, scoring a #1 with "Vitamin R (Leading Us Along)" (although that could have been because it was running off the fumes of Wonder What's Next). I'm thinking that's what you're getting at when you say it was a more successful era than Sci-Fi Crimes'.
I personally think "Jars" was bigger and more successful than "Well Enough Alone" (which was a weak lead single; "I Get It" should've been the lead with this following it). "Letter From a Thief" vs. "I Get It" is a different battle. Both have done about the same when you average out the active and alternative spins for each single at their peaks (actually "Letter From a Thief" maybe has a tiny edge on it). But, as stated before, "I Get It" had more longevity than "Letter From a Thief" did, therefore I give the overall edge to "I Get It." It's also noteworthy to state that "Jars" and "Letter From a Thief" had scarily similar chart runs, unlike "Well Enough Alone" and "I Get It." And as for "Shameful Metaphors" vs. "The Fad," radio-wise "The Fad" did a little better overall than "Shameful Metaphors," but I feel "Shameful Metaphors" had the edge on longevity and also had a more interesting chart run.
In terms of success (both single-wise and album sales-wise), Sci-Fi Crimes > Vena Sera
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 20:19:34 GMT -5
After a few more listens, this has definitely grown on me. Great updates.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jan 18, 2012 22:38:02 GMT -5
\ In terms of success (both single-wise and album sales-wise), Sci-Fi Crimes > Vena SeraWait, has Sci-Fi Crimes actually sold more copies than Vena Sera to date or are you just talking about BB200 performance?
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Post by PHOBES on Jan 19, 2012 14:48:37 GMT -5
Well this is...underwhelming. The fact that it's a single I mean (is underwhelming), the song just sucks. Looked it up a couple weeks ago when I heard they had a new song out, hoping it wasn't an actual single and just a pre-release of some kind. Haven't heard it on the radio or anything, but I check Pulse and, sure enough, it's a single. Their first singles have gotten progressively worse...
They're one of the few active bands I still listen to, and that list may be continuing to shrink... It's weird, TSoM came out on my 18th birthday...and their new one is scheduled to be out a few months shy of my 22nd. Crazy. That, along with this single, have really caused my interest to wane.
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Post by Devin on Jan 19, 2012 17:18:10 GMT -5
\ In terms of success (both single-wise and album sales-wise), Sci-Fi Crimes > Vena SeraWait, has Sci-Fi Crimes actually sold more copies than Vena Sera to date or are you just talking about BB200 performance? Well, Sci-Fi Ccrimes has sold 100,000 as of December 2009, so I'm guessing it might have around 150,000 sold by now. Vena Sera has sold over 400,000 in the US. So, really, Vena has the advantage of having more sales overall, and also has the edge on first week sales (62,000 vs. 46,000 copies). I was wrong on that point, then.
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Post by lockebox on Jan 24, 2012 9:16:16 GMT -5
On active rock, Chevelle did have more momentum going into this era than the "Sci-Fi Crimes" one, though. The fact that "I Get It" performed better on alternative than "Letter from a Thief" is irrelevant. Anyway, I think we're all pleased to see them get another #1 regardless of the circumstances.
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Post by rockmaniac on Jan 26, 2012 19:17:22 GMT -5
obviously, the streak will continue
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jan 28, 2012 13:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by rockmaniac on Jan 28, 2012 14:20:35 GMT -5
the streak continues
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Post by rockmaniac on Jan 30, 2012 13:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Jan 30, 2012 14:35:06 GMT -5
just heard the 8 snippets (including bully) from their official website, "Unity" sounds like a great song (at least its intro)
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Post by rockmaniac on Jan 31, 2012 8:47:08 GMT -5
tracklist
1 Adrenaline 2 Bully 3 Amaryllis 4 Unity 5 Enemies 6 I’m Not Alright 7 Nowhere Kids 8 Miracle 9 I’ll Follow You 10 For My Sake 11 My Name (Wearing Me Out) 12 Through The Ghost
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Post by rockmaniac on Feb 2, 2012 22:08:55 GMT -5
they're shooting a video for this song, according to their Twitter
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