Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 13:45:17 GMT -5
I don't know if it should've been the lead single but I could have seen it be a very successful 3rd single if EOT had been released as the lead. This in turn would've have made BTINH smash more, leading into Countdown smashing. Yasss! :'( |
|
d.t.m
6x Platinum Member
D.T.M.
Joined: March 2006
Posts: 6,437
|
Post by d.t.m on Dec 16, 2011 14:27:09 GMT -5
If Rihanna and IDJ was this freakin' desperate for a #1 hit there's no way I would defend her for it. Move on to the next song, please. What's your opinion on Only Girl's discount or S&M (Remix featuring Britney Spears) then? First of all, OG would have probably made it to #1 w/o the discount, but even if it wouldn't have, neither song went to the lengths that TOTGA went to reach the top. Like Revolution said, you can't help but wonder what they will pull next if this doesn't work. |
|
|
|
Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 16, 2011 14:52:25 GMT -5
What else is next if quickie remixes, even more remix single packages being released, and slashing prices on all versions to like, under 70 cents? Like, can we predict the next "I WANNA HIGHER PEAK" marketing move? Except for remixes and slashing prices I am not sure what is next unless they find some sort of loophole with bundling the song with something else (like, for every purchase of any Ipod product you also get a download of Katy PErry!)
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 14:52:30 GMT -5
And if no one besides pop forum users know about these marketing tactics, where do you think those huge sales for the remix comes from? When the average Joe sees a banner for a song that has been discounted for 69 cents, they don't see a marketing tactic. They see a sale. It's not about whether other people know, it's about how they perceive it. And the perception for most will not go much deeper than being interested enough to listen to the snippet and buy it, or not caring and moving on to whatever else they were going to buy. When people get circulars in the mail every week do you think they look at them and think of all the marketing tactics that have been employed to get people to buy all that stuff? No. They just see advertisements for some stuff on sale, and if they are interested in something they go get it. If they're not they throw the circulars away, maybe spending a half second's breath to call it junk mail, and forget about it until the next batch of circulars comes out. I don't know why anyone would look at singles sales any differently. When the 'average' person person starts calling a celebrity desperate it is typically because that celebrity is on every magazine cover and every TV show, making outlandish statements and doing things that garner a lot of negative attention and controversy. But when it comes to the music itself few are going to remember or care that someone had a 69-cent sale or a random remix just to get a song to #1. In fact the only time many will note how a song did perform is when the song flops and there is a sudden media backlash against the artist to draw attention to said flopping. I mentioned this in a completely different thread a week or two ago but I will post it again here because it really bears repeating. - Michael Jackson's Bad was thought to be a 'disappointing' follow-up to Thriller at the time it was released (jebsib has discussed this before in the GMN section) and in fact Dirty Diana was considered a 'payola' single, not much unlike people frowning upon LFN's remix and 60-cent sale....That 5 #1's is a career-defining high for Katy and considered falling off for Michael says so much about the untouchable bar of achievement Michael set for himself that I don't get why anyone ever gets upset that Katy matched that record. It literally means nothing to MJ's career at this point. Let Katy have her moment, damn. Michael did it! Michael freaking Jackson, the very guy that people think Katy doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath let alone tie or break his record, resorted to tactics and manipulation to get a hit song. Are we going to retroactively declare that his music is no longer a legacy because of that one time his label used some 'marketing tactics' to get him another #1? No. No one remembers, and no one cares. Because he's Michael freaking Jackson and his career speaks for itself. Ten years from now no one will remember or care how Katy got to #1 so many times. She may have a long career or she may fizzle out like most pop stars do, but whatever happens, her overall career will speak for itself, not two or three remixes and a 69-cent sale that even we chart fanatics will have forgotten about three months from now because we'll be too busy wanking over whatever marketing tactics Madonna and Christina are using to make sure their singles are #1 hits. |
|
moore746
Gold Member
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 832
|
Post by moore746 on Dec 16, 2011 15:29:43 GMT -5
I will say this: as a chart junkie, the desperate lengths artists will go to get a number 1 is quite irritating, and in my opinion, while many artists have done, Katy Perry has brought it to a new level.
BUT...as a pop music lover, I can't be too mad! Think of the awesome remixes we have gotten...E.T., S&M, and Till The World Ends to name three.
|
|
|
|
Post by ListenToItTwice on Dec 16, 2011 16:59:25 GMT -5
Adele's very close to being #5 on iTunes, and therefore stands a pretty good chance of ending up #5 on Digital Songs, thus potentially giving her her third Top 10 hit on this week's chart :O
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 17:14:01 GMT -5
Well it will inevitably give her third #1 so it would naturally grace the Top 10 prior. Maybe she will be the one to dethrone WFL?
|
|
slamina
2x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 2,323
|
Post by slamina on Dec 16, 2011 17:18:21 GMT -5
And if no one besides pop forum users know about these marketing tactics, where do you think those huge sales for the remix comes from? When the average Joe sees a banner for a song that has been discounted for 69 cents, they don't see a marketing tactic. They see a sale. It's not about whether other people know, it's about how they perceive it. And the perception for most will not go much deeper than being interested enough to listen to the snippet and buy it, or not caring and moving on to whatever else they were going to buy. When people get circulars in the mail every week do you think they look at them and think of all the marketing tactics that have been employed to get people to buy all that stuff? No. They just see advertisements for some stuff on sale, and if they are interested in something they go get it. If they're not they throw the circulars away, maybe spending a half second's breath to call it junk mail, and forget about it until the next batch of circulars comes out. I don't know why anyone would look at singles sales any differently. When the 'average' person person starts calling a celebrity desperate it is typically because that celebrity is on every magazine cover and every TV show, making outlandish statements and doing things that garner a lot of negative attention and controversy. But when it comes to the music itself few are going to remember or care that someone had a 69-cent sale or a random remix just to get a song to #1. In fact the only time many will note how a song did perform is when the song flops and there is a sudden media backlash against the artist to draw attention to said flopping. I mentioned this in a completely different thread a week or two ago but I will post it again here because it really bears repeating. - Michael Jackson's Bad was thought to be a 'disappointing' follow-up to Thriller at the time it was released (jebsib has discussed this before in the GMN section) and in fact Dirty Diana was considered a 'payola' single, not much unlike people frowning upon LFN's remix and 60-cent sale....That 5 #1's is a career-defining high for Katy and considered falling off for Michael says so much about the untouchable bar of achievement Michael set for himself that I don't get why anyone ever gets upset that Katy matched that record. It literally means nothing to MJ's career at this point. Let Katy have her moment, damn. Michael did it! Michael freaking Jackson, the very guy that people think Katy doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath let alone tie or break his record, resorted to tactics and manipulation to get a hit song. Are we going to retroactively declare that his music is no longer a legacy because of that one time his label used some 'marketing tactics' to get him another #1? No. No one remembers, and no one cares. Because he's Michael freaking Jackson and his career speaks for itself. Ten years from now no one will remember or care how Katy got to #1 so many times. She may have a long career or she may fizzle out like most pop stars do, but whatever happens, her overall career will speak for itself, not two or three remixes and a 69-cent sale that even we chart fanatics will have forgotten about three months from now because we'll be too busy wanking over whatever marketing tactics Madonna and Christina are using to make sure their singles are #1 hits. A+++ post |
|
badrobot
3x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2006
Posts: 3,392
|
Post by badrobot on Dec 16, 2011 17:53:01 GMT -5
I'm betting heavily that Katy will not hit #1 with this song anyway.
Would be a treat to see Adele be the next #1!
|
|
Au$tin
Diamond Member
Pop Culture Guru
Grrrrrrrrrr. Fuckity fuck why don't you watch my film before you judge it? FURY.
Joined: August 2008
Posts: 54,624 
My Charts
Pronouns: He/his/him
|
Post by Au$tin on Dec 16, 2011 17:59:08 GMT -5
POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm betting heavily that Katy will not hit #1 with this song anyway. I agree. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 18:09:00 GMT -5
I find it funny that TOTGA has actually fallen back to #7 on iTunes.
|
|
leoapp
4x Platinum Member
Joined: March 2008
Posts: 4,991
|
Post by leoapp on Dec 16, 2011 18:31:19 GMT -5
Katy's (label) is more chart obsessive than Mariah's (label), wight?
|
|
nighttime
2x Platinum Member
Joined: July 2009
Posts: 2,472
|
Post by nighttime on Dec 16, 2011 18:31:52 GMT -5
LMFAO are reportedly performing "Sexy and I Know It" on the X Factor finale next week. X Factor doesn't have the audience of either Idol or The Voice, but it's a potential position boost to watch for as we approach Christmas.
|
|
badrobot
3x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2006
Posts: 3,392
|
Post by badrobot on Dec 16, 2011 18:53:18 GMT -5
^knowing that I think SAIKI may sneak in a week
|
|
|
|
Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 16, 2011 19:15:14 GMT -5
Katy's (label) is more chart obsessive than Mariah's (label), wight? I would say equal if you consider Mariah in the 90s. I am not sure if you or others were online during some of those battles, but WOW. |
|
|
|
Post by livelikedying111 on Dec 16, 2011 19:26:47 GMT -5
As much as I want her to hit #1, I don't believe that's gonna happen no matter how many tricks they pull. When things so desperate are done to get a #1, I'd like to believe they would be done to the best possible way, but not learning from TGIF remix that really didn't do anything, deserves making them learn their lesson. B.O.B? why not Ace Hood??? they make things seem so desperate and pathetic. At least do it right...
I bitch because I care people!
|
|
moore746
Gold Member
Joined: November 2011
Posts: 832
|
Post by moore746 on Dec 16, 2011 19:50:19 GMT -5
Katy's (label) is more chart obsessive than Mariah's (label), wight? I would say equal if you consider Mariah in the 90s. I am not sure if you or others were online during some of those battles, but WOW. Enlighten us! |
|
NeRD
Diamond Member
RIHANNA NAVY
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 15,302
|
Post by NeRD on Dec 16, 2011 19:55:40 GMT -5
Yeah, not sure how much X Factor will benifit SAIKI, but it should give it a healthy boost. Not to mention it usually increases a great deal on the weekends.
|
|
|
|
Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 16, 2011 20:34:05 GMT -5
I would say equal if you consider Mariah in the 90s. I am not sure if you or others were online during some of those battles, but WOW. Enlighten us! The whole Mariah/DC/JLO drama rivaled any drama I have ever seen on Pulse in the past decade. It was amazzzzzzzzzzzing. Pulse didn't even exist at that time :'( |
|
Oprah
9x Platinum Member
Joined: August 2008
Posts: 9,064
|
Post by Oprah on Dec 16, 2011 20:35:00 GMT -5
Can we actually let her GET the #1 before we start whining about it (or conversely, feeling like we need to defend it)? If she 'only' peaks at #3 or whatever then all this gnashing of teeth is just going to look silly. Personally I don't think whether or not she gets it really matters. The issue is how pathetic this is getting; it's one thing to use these tactics to pull in more money, but given the boost in sales doesn't quite add up to the nearly 50% price reduction and the fact these remixes have for the most part not been very successful as standalone purchases, the label is just blowing money to get some meaningless record which'll probably be debated by the handful of people who are aware/care about it. If Katy's looking to get people to remember her she should step up her performance game, not pull out any and every stop to rack up #1's. I don't really care about Michael Jackson, this record, or how songs get to #1, but when one steps back and looks at this mess I don't see how it doesn't seem a tad desperate. |
|
jebsib
Platinum Member
Joined: September 2004
Posts: 1,927
|
Post by jebsib on Dec 16, 2011 21:04:12 GMT -5
Pulse didn't exist, but Pulse grew out of the old Radio & Records music message-boards, and many of us were members of that and saw the Mariah Loverboy chart drama unfolding. It was one and a half weeks before her famous TRL meltdown.
|
|
slw84
7x Platinum Member
I only tolerate legends
Joined: August 2008
Posts: 7,897
|
Post by slw84 on Dec 16, 2011 21:15:26 GMT -5
POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . So basically, she just took everyone to church. She read, we dealt, he gets post of the year nominations for this one. Good job.  |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 0:27:34 GMT -5
POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . So basically, he just took everyone to church. He read, we dealt, he gets post of the year nominations for this one. Good job. I'm a girl!  |
|
slamina
2x Platinum Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 2,323
|
Post by slamina on Dec 17, 2011 4:23:16 GMT -5
Can we actually let her GET the #1 before we start whining about it (or conversely, feeling like we need to defend it)? If she 'only' peaks at #3 or whatever then all this gnashing of teeth is just going to look silly. Personally I don't think whether or not she gets it really matters. The issue is how pathetic this is getting; it's one thing to use these tactics to pull in more money, but given the boost in sales doesn't quite add up to the nearly 50% price reduction and the fact these remixes have for the most part not been very successful as standalone purchases, the label is just blowing money to get some meaningless record which'll probably be debated by the handful of people who are aware/care about it. If Katy's looking to get people to remember her she should step up her performance game, not pull out any and every stop to rack up #1's. I don't really care about Michael Jackson, this record, or how songs get to #1, but when one steps back and looks at this mess I don't see how it doesn't seem a tad desperate. Oh there's no debate. She has tied the record, and if she breaks it will be hers.  |
|
|
|
Post by darkness on Dec 17, 2011 7:18:01 GMT -5
Hilarious Some people. How is mariah desperate???? Did she ever release a LAME remix or ask a pop star for help? Check mariah's #1 songs. lol Most of them were #1 for WEEKS. She doesn't need discounts, lame remix or feats to get a #1.
|
|
HolidayGuy
Diamond Member
Joined: December 2003
Posts: 33,923
|
Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 17, 2011 7:52:03 GMT -5
^Yes, "desperate" really isn't accurate in any of these cases. It's just labels that love playing the charts game. To some, "desperate" in the case of Mimi meant Sony's deeply discounted singles (which it looks to have done more than other labels- snd then Virgin famously did it for the one single), or Mimi's own ramblings about the charts/sales during interviews or on voice messages. These acts or labels are not really losing a load of money based on a single chart position, so, no, "desperate" does not apply in the quest for No. 1s.
Mediabase 7-Day Rolling Period, 12/10/11-12/16/11
1. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 148.204 (+ 0.440)
2. LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 108.094 (- 0.636)
3. DAVID GUETTA - Without You f/Usher: 106.890 (- 0.467)
4. BRUNO MARS - It Will Rain: 106.447 (+ 1.998)
5. KATY PERRY - The One That Got Away: 100.801 (+ 1.724)
6. GYM CLASS HEROES - Stereo Hearts f/Adam Levine: 97.050 (- 0.964)
7. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 93.028 (+ 0.400) ▲
8. FLO RIDA - Good Feeling: 91.090 (+ 0.135) ▲
9. ADELE - Someone Like You: 90.834 (- 1.896) ▼
11. DRAKE - Headlines: 80.988 (- 0.048)
12. T-PAIN - 5 O'clock f/Wiz Khalifa: 78.377 (- 0.346)
13. J. COLE - Workout: 75.996 (+ 0.313)
14. KELLY CLARKSON - Mr. Know It All: 63.279 (- 0.173)
15. BIG SEAN - Dance (A$$): 60.599 (+ 1.337) ▲
16. COBRA STARSHIP - You Make Me Feel... f/Sabi: 60.180 (- 1.090) ▼
17. ZAC BROWN BAND - Keep Me In Mind: 51.702 (+ 0.110)
18. JASON ALDEAN - Tattoos On This Town: 51.083 (+ 0.019)
19. DRAKE - Make Me Proud f/Nicki Minaj: 47.913 (+ 0.786) ▲
20. LADY ANTEBELLUM - Just A Kiss: 47.724 (- 0.551) ▼
OTHERS:
LMFAO - Party Rock Anthem: 47.304 (- 0.712)
DEV - In The Dark: 46.492 (- 1.220)
WALE - Lotus Flower Bomb f/Miguel: 44.705 (+ 0.011)
MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 44.433 (+ 0.451)
GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You: 43.214 (+ 0.555)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Pumped Up Kicks: 42.973 (- 0.611)
BEYONCE - Party f/Kanye & Andre: 41.753 (- 0.106)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE: Love You Like A Love Song: 39.355 (+ 0.852)
ADELE - Set Fire To The Rain: 37.051 (+ 1.111)
RIHANNA - You Da One: 36.357 (+ 0.703)
LADY GAGA - Marry The Night: 33.355 (+ 0.387)
JESSIE J - Domino: 28.925 (+ 0.692)
FRAY - Heartbeat: 25.023 (- 0.126)
COLDPLAY - Paradise: 20.733 (- 0.023)
BREATHE CAROLINA - Blackout: 20.687 (+ 0.064)
MICHAEL BUBLE - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 15.562 (+ 0.288)
BEYONCE - Love On Top: 11.563 (- 0.452)
BEYONCE - Countdown: 10.339 (+ 0.528)
AVRIL LAVIGNE - Wish You Were Here: 9.878 (+ 0.124)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Ours: 9.505 (+ 0.782)
WILL. I. AM - T.H.E (The Hardest Ever): 4.139 (+ 0.095)
NICKI MINAJ - Roman In Moscow: 0.792 (- 0.145)
|
|
slw84
7x Platinum Member
I only tolerate legends
Joined: August 2008
Posts: 7,897
|
Post by slw84 on Dec 17, 2011 7:55:51 GMT -5
So basically, he just took everyone to church. He read, we dealt, he gets post of the year nominations for this one. Good job. I'm a girl! = Hehehe...my bad. I made the edit. ;) |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 8:25:51 GMT -5
Hilarious Some people. How is mariah desperate???? Did she ever release a LAME remix or ask a pop star for help? Check mariah's #1 songs. lol Most of them were #1 for WEEK S. She doesn't need discounts, lame remix or feats to get a #1. All of Katys #1's were #1 for several weeks aswell.  |
|
NeRD
Diamond Member
RIHANNA NAVY
Joined: March 2010
Posts: 15,302
|
Post by NeRD on Dec 17, 2011 9:24:32 GMT -5
People still talking about this?......
ZzzzZzzzzzz
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 9:37:13 GMT -5
9. ADELE - Someone Like You: 90.834 (- 1.896) ▼ 11. DRAKE - Headlines: 80.988 (- 0.048) What happened to #10? Guessing it's MLJ. |
|
