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Post by ClevelandRox on Apr 4, 2012 18:26:17 GMT -5
I'd be fine with either song, but whatever she sings needs to be what the next single is... this is just ignorant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 19:15:27 GMT -5
I might get crucified for this, but...maybe it would be better if Kellie did part ways with Sony? I was thinking about something the other day, about how, even though big labels like Sony and Universal and Capitol are very powerful, it's tough for them to break in new artists because they already have a lot of big stars on their roster. In Sony's case, that's especially true.
Now, Kellie isn't exactly new but she never really had a true breakthrough either. I think she could do very well on an indie label...maybe under Big Machine/Valory/Republic, Broken Bow, Bigger Picture Group, etc. Indie labels have done quite well on the country scene lately, and they seem to really focus on developing their younger, newer artists more...often times the indie labels don't have as many resources, yet because their rosters are often smaller, they invest a lot more into the artists they do have. Kellie's the type of artist that I think could have a lot of freedom and room to grow, but maybe she's just not the right fit for BNA?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 4, 2012 19:28:49 GMT -5
^ Judging from what the label's done in the past 15 years, I don't think ANYone is right for BNA except Kenny Chesney. Remember Kellie Coffey? Pinmonkey? Blaine Larsen? Tebey? Aaron Lines? Sarah Johns? Morgane Hayes? I don't think Morgane even had a single.
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Post by longdistancerunner on Apr 4, 2012 19:31:21 GMT -5
^you raise an interesting point. My personal feeling is that Kellie is going to the American Idol Graveyard (along with Bucky) this year to keep Kristy Lee, Phil and others company. So there I said it after holding it in since the year ahead predictions. I will go down with you jhomes87. I realize we didn't say the same thing but Kellie hasn't made much of lasting dent and had it not been for AI - would she be here in country at all? She has milked it for years longer than most post AI have. I do own her first and second albums. But back to the above post. Maybe a new label would truly benefit her. It is something to consider and a realistic possibility for her. I don't know how smooth switching labels can be for artists. Sure it has worked for some and for others it failed as we have seen. You raised a good point about major vs. indie labels and what is working in today's marketplace vs. what isn't working or what is not as easy as it once was. Her appearing on TV shows isn't going to give her a radio career. It's time for a big hit or bust (tho I think that time already past). There are always "comebacks" too when lighting strikes. I wish her the best.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 4, 2012 19:44:56 GMT -5
^ Besides Kenny and Lonestar, I don't think BNA has sent any other artist to #1 since Mindy McCready in 1996. That's a dreadful track record.
Maybe she can get picked up by another label who re-releases the album, like LBT with A Place to Land.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Apr 4, 2012 20:27:09 GMT -5
*sigh* I think I'd cry if Kellie lost her contract with Sony. It'd probably be best for her to leave Sony, though. This album has a lot of potential and it hurts me to watch this happening, almost like watching a dog die. However, nothing has happened yet. Performing WTW isn't a smart decision, but we haven't seen any possible damage. Since this already has an adds date, I've recently began thinking that maybe the label has decided to just give this an adds date and let it all go downhill from there promo-wise. Maybe her fan base can help her get another decent sized hit? I do like Kenny, but I believe that Kellie's time in the limelight is long overdue. I'm positive that the title track will sound great on the radio. Her career isn't dead yet since it's still less than two weeks until this goes for adds; unfortunately, it probably will be if this song misses the top 40. :'( I'll repeat, it really hurts me to see a bunch of potential go to waste. I really hope something good happens...and soon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 21:17:01 GMT -5
^ Besides Kenny and Lonestar, I don't think BNA has sent any other artist to #1 since Mindy McCready in 1996. That's a dreadful track record. I've always wondered why BNA has never had many superstar acts. I mean, the other Sony labels have all done well...Arista has Carrie and Brad currently, and I think Jerrod Niemann is on his way to becoming a superstar. Plus they have the split apart Brooks & Dunn...as a duo they were very successful, but I don't see either Ronnie or Kix doing much as a solo artist. But they also had Diamond Rio and Alan Jackson, and several other moderate hit-makers. Columbia had a few hit-makers before it essentially disappeared. And RCA is doing really well right now with Miranda Lambert, Chris Young, Jake Owen...they've done all right with Sara Evans as well, plus I think they're doing pretty good with Josh Thompson and Love & Theft. In the past they had Alabama, Martina McBride, and Clint Black too. BNA has basically had Kenny and Lonestar, and now they just have Kenny. But they're part of Sony so I've never really figured out why they haven't been as strong as Arista or RCA.
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Post by jessy89 on Apr 4, 2012 22:23:48 GMT -5
if kellie was with another label i think she would have had a few top 10s. And a platnum record already! So As long as kellie gets picked up by a new label i wouldnt mind her leaving BNA and with her talents i think she will be picked up by a new label! Im not to worried about it at this point
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 4, 2012 22:58:09 GMT -5
In all fairness, the label has treated Kellie equally in contrast to other artists and their treatment on their labels. When an artist starts off, say Carrie Underwood for instance, her label didn't heavily promote the song "Jesus Take the Wheel", in fact it was hardly promoted. The song took off mostly on its own. From the fame and momentum gathered by the success of the debut, they then felt confident enough to invest large amounts of money in Carrie's career. I know she had Idol behind her, and that helps. Ultimately, however, the label was more likely on board after JTTW smashed, more so than before. This seems to be the case with most artists. The label will send songs out to radio, and do the bare minimum promotion-wise. If the song takes off, then the label takes notice and starts pushing, and visibly supporting the artist. Notably with The Band Perry, their debut "If I Die Young" was put out there for the world to hear, but was given the bear minimum. The song slowly took off on its own, and now the label is willing to spend money on TBP knowing they have an audience, and can generate profitable sales. The label has been more the generous with Kellie than most labels are with their artists. She's on her third album, she choses her singles, and puts the material together. The label then puts it out there, and waits for the response. There has yet to be a response worthy enough to compel them to further promote her career. There have been substantial hits, and they acted on them - but barely making Top 10 doesn't cut it when the label has other artists consistently raking in consecutive #1s.
It's a business. They're essentially investing money in these artists based on the profit they think the artist can bring in. Kellie has yet to generate any sort of profit notable enough for the label to truly act on her career. Someone like Carrie is guaranteed to make the label millions with anything she puts out. Therefore, they're willing to do more to maximize their profit. In Kellie's case, there's no guarantees. The risk is greater, therefore they're willing to do less. So I think the label's hesitation to heavily promote Kellie is understandable. If a song is good enough, it'll take off on its own without help. She's lucky they've waited three albums for this to happen, honestly. These days, if you don't produce #1s, or at least top 5s, you're dropped almost immediately because budgets are so tight. Labels obviously tend to focus on their superstars, so Kellie is lucky she is still signed to a major label. Yes, she has Gold albums and such, but in times so tough, that's not really good enough.
There's no doubt she's successful, and has the potential to do this. I'm just saying that I understand the label's hesitance in promoting Kellie's songs. Perhaps there's more to lose than there is to gain, at least that seems to be their viewpoint. With that said, I do wish they paid more attention to her because I do think there is something there.
So I don't think she should switch labels. If she did, the new label would probably do even less for her. They're nice enough to send her singles out, and let her take charge of her career. As far as I know, she makes most of the decisions which is a rarity in such a business driven industry. Basically, she needs a hit single. Not Top 20, I'm talking top 5 minimum. This needs to happen without the label's help. Once the label sees the song doing well on its own, they'll be more willing to help out knowing the potential for profit is there. They're not going to waste their time on a possible hit single when they have Kenny Chesney spitting out #1s every other week. The fans need to request, request, request! This is what helped Carrie out. Of course, Carrie literally has an army of fans. However, every spin helps. So call your radio station, and request the song. You never know, it could start a chain reaction bringing new fans on board who'll request the song... Before you know it, she has a hit!
I try to be optimistic, and I request her songs often - she's a pleasant sound on the radio. More people need to hear it, and I know she'll be big!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 5, 2012 0:35:53 GMT -5
The more I turn over the idea of Kellie Pickler performing 100 Proof on Idol, the less important I find the idea. I mean, she really isn't going to gain anything more performing that over Tammy Wynette. Let's face it: at this point, all her promo is strictly towards selling more copies of the CD. 100 Proof isn't at radio yet, and we know its individual sales will likely receive little impact (Georgia Peaches had a really small increase after Lauren performed it, and that's a Top 30 country hit!). And an uptempo song on a show like Idol is (almost) always better than a ballad.
People are really getting fired up over something small. I can't believe that this little choice led to the doomsday discussion it has. This is ridiculous. Kellie's label is doing a respectable job imho. She's been so visible with promoting this album, and BNA would not let her record an album like this if they had no faith in her. She's no Kenny Chesney, but she definitely has a following and enough success under her belt to suggest that she is in no way headed out the door.
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Post by grayclay on Apr 5, 2012 1:35:03 GMT -5
Say whatever you want about profitability, business and payola BS. This album is exceptional and there is a reason for the critical acclaim. Taking risks in a boring, overproduced genre should be rewarded. Don't tell me this music doesn't have potential to do well at radio. Every one of these songs (with the exception maybe of "The Letter (To Daddy))" could be on regular rotation. The promotion of her album has been absolutely lackluster thus far, from the late release date (in the no-shopping time of January), to the label dropping the bomb on "Tough". I think it's a matter of awareness, not interest. Honestly, she's sold what she's sold so far basically on word-of-mouth. There is no single on radio right now... her adds date isn't for two weeks from now. Of course sales have leveled out, she has zero visibility. No artist could do well under these circumstances. All I'm saying is that I believe in Kellie. She's a force to be reckoned with and hopefully this single is generic and safe enough for country radio to play.
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Post by jessy89 on Apr 5, 2012 3:05:56 GMT -5
Say whatever you want about profitability, business and payola BS. This album is exceptional and there is a reason for the critical acclaim. Taking risks in a boring, overproduced genre should be rewarded. Don't tell me this music doesn't have potential to do well at radio. Every one of these songs (with the exception maybe of "The Letter (To Daddy))" could be on regular rotation. The promotion of her album has been absolutely lackluster thus far, from the late release date (in the no-shopping time of January), to the label dropping the bomb on "Tough". I think it's a matter of awareness, not interest. Honestly, she's sold what she's sold so far basically on word-of-mouth. There is no single on radio right now... her adds date isn't for two weeks from now. Of course sales have leveled out, she has zero visibility. No artist could do well under these circumstances. All I'm saying is that I believe in Kellie. She's a force to be reckoned with and hopefully this single is generic and safe enough for country radio to play. Thank you for making a good point.. You are so right kellies music is amazing.. And The label should be behind it but there not. Instead promo has been awful.. At the very least they could of released the album in Dec like originaly planned it would have sold more copies durring the christmas shopping season.. And sure shes on a tv show from time to time. But she needs radio promo. Like full page adds that newer artist get in which kellies never gotten. Yeah shes got a small add everyonce in a while but even those are far in between.. The label has been awful in the promotion of kellie.. If kellie was with big machine she would be as big as Taylor Swift im pretty comfidant of that
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 5, 2012 9:19:52 GMT -5
Just to be clear. I never said her songs couldn't do it. I love this album, and think there are some great single options. I was just stating that the label's mediocre support for Kellie is understandable. Looking at her career, they're only going to put in as much as they think they can get out. In that I mean profit. Until a song of hers takes off on its own, they're not going to go crazy promoting her, or the song. It's not to say the label shouldn't help her out, I wish they would! However, until a song of hers takes off on its own, they're not going to do more than they already are. This is the case with almost every artist who is starting out. Brad Paisley, Carrie Underwood, The Band Perry, Lady Antebellum, Taylor Swift, etc... They're all examples of the label sitting back until the respective artist took off with a single. Then, the labels were willing to do more.
Again, Kellie has the potential and the material for this to happen, she just needs a song to do it on its own for the label to do anymore. They have bigger money makers to pay attention to, until she becomes one, their attention toward her will not change.
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Post by carriekins on Apr 5, 2012 11:13:23 GMT -5
... I actually think performing Tammy Wynette is a smart choice - like indulgecountry said, an uptempo song on a platform like Idol works better. Plus, it gets another song from her album out there, which could also drive people to check out the album. I probably would have preferred to see Stop Cheating on Me on Idol, but beggars can't be choosers, and either way, it will be a great moment for Kellie, returning to the stage that got her where she is today, and promoting any song off her excellent album.
I'm not ready to call doomsday just yet. :)
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Post by esoteric76 on Apr 5, 2012 11:34:48 GMT -5
... I actually think performing Tammy Wynette is a smart choice - like indulgecountry said, an uptempo song on a platform like Idol works better. Plus, it gets another song from her album out there, which could also drive people to check out the album. I probably would have preferred to see Stop Cheating on Me on Idol, but beggars can't be choosers, and either way, it will be a great moment for Kellie, returning to the stage that got her where she is today, and promoting any song off her excellent album. I'm not ready to call doomsday just yet. :) Exactly. The Idol audience wants to see Sassy Kellie, not Serious Kellie. I love 100 Proof, but doing an uptempo will let Kellie work the room like only she can. I think this will benefit her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 16:03:50 GMT -5
100 Proof isn't at radio yet "100 Proof" was sent out to radio last week Monday.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 5, 2012 16:22:19 GMT -5
100 Proof isn't at radio yet "100 Proof" was sent out to radio last week Monday. Sorry, I meant the adds date isn't here yet. We've established already that 100 Proof isn't going to be making a splash early, so that's what I was meaning to imply. The adds date isn't here, so radio is probably going to be mostly sitting on it for the next 2 weeks.
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Post by someguy on Apr 5, 2012 19:03:17 GMT -5
I don't see this doing much, to be honest. Way too much time has passed between "Tough" and the album release. The album had sold 54K when it dropped off the chart dated March 10, 2012. It's probably at around 60K by now (tops). The label can't be making money off of her, so it's understandable that she won't receive a ton of promo. If this isn't a hit, and can't revive the album, or at least be a somewhat strong digital seller, I can't see her lasting on her label much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 20:01:23 GMT -5
I'm hopeful that this will do something, but I agree that I won't be surprised if it doesn't do much. It's a good song but people should know by now that that doesn't translate to automatic radio success. "Tough" never really got off the ground...the album got great reviews, but there is just no momentum right now. Blame the label or do whatever you want but the bottom line is, the public interest in Kellie just seems to be very low right now. Some people were saying this could go top 10 or top 20...maybe if it had been released after "Best Days of Your Life" years ago, it would have...but as it stands now, I'd be surprised it it got that high. I, for one, don't blame the label. And I don't blame country radio for being "sexist" either. I never liked Kellie in the past, and this is a great album, but the public interest doesn't seem to be very high at all.
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Post by layne on Apr 5, 2012 20:15:30 GMT -5
The song she just sang on Idol did nothing for me. I have no idea why she or the label or Idol would have chosen that particular song. Maybe it's just me but I can't imagine that the song appealed to the Idol audience.
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Post by countrygirl536 on Apr 5, 2012 20:31:32 GMT -5
She sang "Where's Tammy..." because it's the 16th anniversary of Tammy Wynette's passing tomorrow. Here's her tweet about it.
April 6, 1998 Country music lost a Honky Tonk Angel. Tonight on American Idol I'll be singing this one for Tammy! #TammyWynette
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 22:47:37 GMT -5
She sang "Where's Tammy..." because it's the 16th anniversary of Tammy Wynette's passing tomorrow. Here's her tweet about it. April 6, 1998 Country music lost a Honky Tonk Angel. Tonight on American Idol I'll be singing this one for Tammy! #TammyWynette I get it now, but that really isn't gonna help this song.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 1:11:43 GMT -5
Alright, now I understand the performance selection. While I give her credit for the thoughtfulness and all behind the selection of WTW, she missed out on a huge platform for 100P.
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Post by spencer on Apr 6, 2012 12:29:43 GMT -5
I'm hopeful that this will do something, but I agree that I won't be surprised if it doesn't do much. It's a good song but people should know by now that that doesn't translate to automatic radio success. "Tough" never really got off the ground...the album got great reviews, but there is just no momentum right now. Blame the label or do whatever you want but the bottom line is, the public interest in Kellie just seems to be very low right now. Some people were saying this could go top 10 or top 20...maybe if it had been released after "Best Days of Your Life" years ago, it would have...but as it stands now, I'd be surprised it it got that high. I, for one, don't blame the label. And I don't blame country radio for being "sexist" either. I never liked Kellie in the past, and this is a great album, but the public interest doesn't seem to be very high at all. OK I know I'm treading on dangerous ground but I'm going to throw it out there anyway....Kellie's most successful single was 'Best Days of Your Life' correct? I know Red High Heels was pretty successful for her too but I think BDOYL was the most successful? Here's the question and the problem from my perspective: Do you think that BDOYL would have been as successful if Taylor Swift hadn't had such a prominent role in both the song and the video? For me, I think the success of this single reflects the disproportionate effect Taylor had on the single vs. Kellie. When you look at all of Kellie's other singles, this one stands out like a Neon sign...and what is the difference between BDOYL and the singles that followed it? Taylor Swift's presence. Like many others here I too do not understand radio's persistent reluctance to play Kellie...and based on that it makes me think that Kellie would have to have a real whopper of a smash hit in order to place radio PDs in a position where they 'have- to' play Kellie.
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Post by someguy on Apr 6, 2012 12:57:29 GMT -5
I'm hopeful that this will do something, but I agree that I won't be surprised if it doesn't do much. It's a good song but people should know by now that that doesn't translate to automatic radio success. "Tough" never really got off the ground...the album got great reviews, but there is just no momentum right now. Blame the label or do whatever you want but the bottom line is, the public interest in Kellie just seems to be very low right now. Some people were saying this could go top 10 or top 20...maybe if it had been released after "Best Days of Your Life" years ago, it would have...but as it stands now, I'd be surprised it it got that high. I, for one, don't blame the label. And I don't blame country radio for being "sexist" either. I never liked Kellie in the past, and this is a great album, but the public interest doesn't seem to be very high at all. OK I know I'm treading on dangerous ground but I'm going to throw it out there anyway....Kellie's most successful single was 'Best Days of Your Life' correct? I know Red High Heels was pretty successful for her too but I think BDOYL was the most successful? Here's the question and the problem from my perspective: Do you think that BDOYL would have been as successful if Taylor Swift hadn't had such a prominent role in both the song and the video? For me, I think the success of this single reflects the disproportionate effect Taylor had on the single vs. Kellie. When you look at all of Kellie's other singles, this one stands out like a Neon sign...and what is the difference between BDOYL and the singles that followed it? Taylor Swift's presence. Like many others here I too do not understand radio's persistent reluctance to play Kellie...and based on that it makes me think that Kellie would have to have a real whopper of a smash hit in order to place radio PDs in a position where they 'have- to' play Kellie. This is definitely a valid point. I'm sure that Taylor's presence helped "Best Days..." out, both consciously and unconsciously. Besides programmers actively playing it due to the Taylor factor, I'm sure that her involvement caused some publicity and promotion for the single, which in turn added to increased awareness and airplay.
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Post by layne on Apr 6, 2012 13:18:18 GMT -5
I just never felt like she released the best singles in the early portion of her career. I thought there were better singles on her CD's that never got released.,
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Post by ajd3232 on Apr 6, 2012 13:22:11 GMT -5
No doubt Kelly has a good album that should be worthy of greater attention. The sad reality of it is without radio backing you as an artist you pretty much doomed unless you are some how still raking in a ton of sales. But Kelly is one of those cases she where she barely making money for the label without radio and she is not receiving a big increase from her gigs either. At this point I really don't know what the label can do for her. I like 100 Proof, but I really don't see radio supporting it. Even when she had success radio still limited their support for her. Now that she is barely having success, I can see radio simply not supporting her. Maybe she needs to go on radio tour, like a new artist. I don't know if will help, but it is worth a shot. I think this is really her only hope. Sad to see this album fall, because it really is a good album.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 6, 2012 13:40:20 GMT -5
No doubt Kelly has a good album that should be worthy of greater attention. The sad reality of it is without radio backing you as an artist you pretty much doomed unless you are some how still raking in a ton of sales. But Kelly is one of those cases she where she barely making money for the label without radio and she is not receiving a big increase from her gigs either. At this point I really don't know what the label can do for her. I like 100 Proof, but I really don't see radio supporting it. Even when she had success radio still limited their support for her. Now that she is barely having success, I can see radio simply not supporting her. Maybe she needs to go on radio tour, like a new artist. I don't know if will help, but it is worth a shot. I think this is really her only hope. Sad to see this album fall, because it really is a good album. It's KELLIE! Just FYI Carry on, please...
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Post by ajd3232 on Apr 6, 2012 14:41:28 GMT -5
I always make that mistake lol, when I post Kellie and the other Kelly from american idol. I always make that mistake when I post on msjbigblog sometimes too. I don't why I keep making that mistake. I think its because I talk about Kelly Clarkson a lot more than Kellie P.
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Post by spencer on Apr 6, 2012 14:44:33 GMT -5
My first impression of Kellie when she first arrived was that she didn't seem to have and a strong sense of a professional and personal 'identity'. The continuous changes in her appearance and in her music were evident for me. She appeared to be trying to imitate the personal look and music of some of her colleagues rather than establish her own. I think the working/friendship relationship with Taylor stalled Kellie's opportunities to discover who 'she ' was as an artist/entertainer. As Taylor's popularity grew, one just knew, that the working relationship with Kellie would end...and it did. This 3rd album seems to be, where and what she's always wanted, according to Kellie. Perhaps that's true, and maybe this is the 'real' Kellie? I just hope it's not too late.
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