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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 24, 2023 8:46:58 GMT -5
MONDAY UPDATE:
2 1 REMA & SELENA GOMEZ Calm Down 15343 15509 -166 46.995 1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 15134 15641 -507 45.336 3 3 MIGUEL Sure Thing 14488 15087 -599 42.501 6 4 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 14249 11157 3092 45.165 5 5 MORGAN WALLEN Last Night 12723 12399 324 32.581 4 6 MILEY CYRUS Flowers 11085 12586 -1501 32.036 9 7 DUA LIPA Dance The Night 10194 9933 261 27.306 10 8 FIFTY FIFTY Cupid 9979 9411 568 25.831 7 9 METRO BOOMIN Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. 9801 10680 -879 29.711 11 10 SZA Snooze 9397 8262 1135 24.514
12 11 OLIVIA RODRIGO Vampire 9378 8117 1261 27.423 8 12 ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 8017 10484 -2467 19.188 15 13 LUKE COMBS Fast Car 7402 6068 1334 19.525 13 14 D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY Baby Don't Hurt Me 7331 6710 621 17.936 14 15 MILEY CYRUS Jaded 6616 6269 347 15.628 18 16 POST MALONE Mourning 5790 5195 595 12.333 19 17 LIL DURK All My Life f/J. Cole 5755 4997 758 13.391 17 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4497 5690 -1193 13.028 22 19 BAKAR Hell N Back 3769 3376 393 6.878 16 20 TOOSII Favorite Song 3489 5740 -2251 7.441
27 21 DOMINIC FIKE Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across 3437 2240 1197 8.221 21 22 MELANIE MARTINEZ Void 3321 3456 -135 6.622 23 23 HARRY STYLES Satellite 3013 2872 141 5.737 26 24 PITBULL & LIL JON Jumpin 2799 2386 413 4.493 25 25 THE WEEKND Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna 2712 2401 311 4.769 31 26 NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE Barbie World w/Aqua 2432 1767 665 5.156 41 27 JUNG KOOK Seven 2350 874 1476 5.921 34 28 DOECHII What It Is (Block Boy) 2350 1379 971 5.704 20 29 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 2299 4681 -2382 5.242 28 30 FLO RIDA What A Night 2151 2140 11 3.911
32 31 DAVID KUSHNER Daylight 2146 1565 581 6.123 30 32 ONEREPUBLIC Runaway 2079 1932 147 3.771 33 33 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1603 1535 68 3.047 38 34 METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... Calling f/Swae Lee 1254 1103 151 2.371 36 35 ICANDY Keep Dat 1208 1119 89 1.340 44 36 JAIN Makeba 1096 613 483 2.507 40 37 KALIII Area Codes 1059 884 175 1.696 39 38 DOJA CAT Attention 1052 1028 24 1.976 42 39 BENSON BOONE In The Stars 902 783 119 0.958 29 40 RITA ORA Praising You f/Fatboy Slim 873 2079 -1206 1.378
-- 41 TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND K-POP 779 0 779 3.106 46 42 FALL OUT BOY We Didn't Start The Fire 758 472 286 2.605 47 43 KYLIE MINOGUE Padam Padam 664 417 247 0.944 45 44 SMITH Lemon 647 567 80 0.474 48 45 TXT X JONAS BROTHERS Do It Like That 575 391 184 0.581 52 46 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) 499 236 263 1.022 51 47 P1HARMONY Jump 490 285 205 0.416 -- 48 ZAYN Love Like This 397 0 397 1.236 -- 49 WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS MIND YOUR BUSINESS 350 0 350 0.897 49 50 D4VD Here With Me 332 331 1 0.217
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 25, 2023 6:09:53 GMT -5
TUESDAY UPDATE:
2 1 REMA & SELENA GOMEZ Calm Down 15252 15543 -291 46.801 1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 15058 15555 -497 45.507 6 3 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 14568 11757 2811 45.979 3 4 MIGUEL Sure Thing 14392 15080 -688 41.887 4 5 MORGAN WALLEN Last Night 12651 12506 145 32.397 5 6 MILEY CYRUS Flowers 10945 12320 -1375 31.207 9 7 DUA LIPA Dance The Night 10218 9925 293 27.417 10 8 FIFTY FIFTY Cupid 10111 9498 613 26.111 7 9 METRO BOOMIN Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. 9666 10580 -914 29.363 12 10 OLIVIA RODRIGO Vampire 9612 8349 1263 27.947
11 11 SZA Snooze 9506 8427 1079 24.709 14 12 LUKE COMBS Fast Car 7578 6292 1286 19.958 13 13 D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY Baby Don't Hurt Me 7483 6763 720 18.441 8 14 ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 7378 10480 -3102 17.700 15 15 MILEY CYRUS Jaded 6673 6281 392 15.813 19 16 LIL DURK All My Life f/J. Cole 5830 5177 653 13.702 18 17 POST MALONE Mourning 5773 5285 488 12.277 16 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4351 5558 -1207 12.685 22 19 BAKAR Hell N Back 3859 3407 452 7.101 26 20 DOMINIC FIKE Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across 3507 2435 1072 8.316
21 21 MELANIE MARTINEZ Void 3240 3463 -223 6.400 17 22 TOOSII Favorite Song 3196 5363 -2167 6.950 23 23 HARRY STYLES Satellite 3001 2929 72 5.704 24 24 PITBULL & LIL JON Jumpin 2770 2504 266 4.447 25 25 THE WEEKND Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna 2714 2490 224 4.852 39 26 JUNG KOOK Seven 2657 1028 1629 6.365 30 27 NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE Barbie World w/Aqua 2518 1852 666 5.377 34 28 DOECHII What It Is (Block Boy) 2500 1556 944 6.059 32 29 DAVID KUSHNER Daylight 2237 1662 575 6.334 28 30 FLO RIDA What A Night 2127 2164 -37 3.881
29 31 ONEREPUBLIC Runaway 2080 1969 111 3.782 20 32 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 2043 4182 -2139 4.725 33 33 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1617 1567 50 3.049 35 34 METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... Calling f/Swae Lee 1280 1154 126 2.396 37 35 ICANDY Keep Dat 1238 1128 110 1.349 43 36 JAIN Makeba 1188 655 533 2.551 41 37 KALIII Area Codes 1092 914 178 1.743 38 38 DOJA CAT Attention 1026 1068 -42 1.922 42 39 BENSON BOONE In The Stars 906 814 92 0.984 -- 40 TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND K-POP 811 0 811 3.200
31 41 RITA ORA Praising You f/Fatboy Slim 785 1830 -1045 1.279 46 42 FALL OUT BOY We Didn't Start The Fire 750 560 190 2.440 47 43 KYLIE MINOGUE Padam Padam 704 445 259 0.985 45 44 SMITH Lemon 656 582 74 0.448 48 45 TXT X JONAS BROTHERS Do It Like That 635 436 199 0.660 52 46 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) 551 291 260 1.156 51 47 P1HARMONY Jump 510 317 193 0.428 -- 48 ZAYN Love Like This 482 0 482 1.422 -- 49 WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS MIND YOUR BUSINESS 405 0 405 0.988 50 50 D4VD Here With Me 330 330 0 0.212
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Post by †ealsünset on Jul 25, 2023 6:17:01 GMT -5
TUESDAY UPDATE:1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 15058 15555 -497 45.507 6 3 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 14568 11757 2811 45.979 18 17 POST MALONE Mourning 5773 5285 488 12.277 16 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4351 5558 -1207 12.685 20 32 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 2043 4182 -2139 4.725 33 33 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1617 1567 50 3.049 Some funny chart coincidences today. Miley & Metro Boomin have two songs, The Weeknd three, non-consecutive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 6:36:49 GMT -5
Congrats to Taylor on two top 3s. And Olivia for another top 10 :)
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 25, 2023 7:14:34 GMT -5
TW | TW+ | Artist | Title | Spins | Spin+ | Bullet | Bullet+ | Aud | Aud+ | 1 | = | REMA & SELENA GOMEZ | Calm Down | 15252 | -91 | -291 | -125 | 46.801 | -0.194 | 2 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | Karma | 15058 | -76 | -497 | +10 | 45.507 | +0.171 | 3 | +1 | TAYLOR SWIFT | Cruel Summer | 14568 | +319 | 2811 | -281 | 45.979 | +0.814 | 4 | -1 | MIGUEL | Sure Thing | 14392 | -96 | -688 | -89 | 41.887 | -0.614 | 5 | = | MORGAN WALLEN | Last Night | 12651 | -72 | 145 | -179 | 32.397 | -0.184 | 6 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Flowers | 10945 | -140 | -1375 | +126 | 31.207 | -0.829 | 7 | = | DUA LIPA | Dance The Night | 10218 | +24 | 293 | +32 | 27.417 | +0.111 | 8 | = | FIFTY FIFTY | Cupid | 10111 | +132 | 613 | +45 | 26.111 | +0.280 | 9 | = | METRO BOOMIN | Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. | 9666 | -135 | -914 | -35 | 29.363 | -0.348 | 10 | +1 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | Vampire | 9612 | +234 | 1263 | +2 | 27.947 | +0.524 | 11 | -1 | SZA | Snooze | 9506 | +109 | 1079 | -56 | 24.709 | +0.195 | 12 | +1 | LUKE COMBS | Fast Car | 7578 | +176 | 1286 | -48 | 19.958 | +0.433 | 13 | +1 | D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY | Baby Don't Hurt Me | 7483 | +152 | 720 | +99 | 18.441 | +0.505 | 14 | -2 | ED SHEERAN | Eyes Closed | 7378 | -639 | -3102 | -635 | 17.700 | -1.488 | 15 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Jaded | 6673 | +57 | 392 | +45 | 15.813 | +0.185 | 16 | +1 | LIL DURK | All My Life f/J. Cole | 5830 | +75 | 653 | -105 | 13.702 | +0.311 | 17 | -1 | POST MALONE | Mourning | 5773 | -17 | 488 | -107 | 12.277 | -0.056 | 18 | = | POST MALONE | Chemical | 4351 | -146 | -1207 | -14 | 12.685 | -0.343 | 19 | = | BAKAR | Hell N Back | 3859 | +90 | 452 | +59 | 7.101 | +0.223 | 20 | +1 | DOMINIC FIKE | Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across | 3507 | +70 | 1072 | -125 | 8.316 | +0.095 | 21 | +1 | MELANIE MARTINEZ | Void | 3240 | -81 | -223 | -88 | 6.400 | -0.222 | 22 | -2 | TOOSII | Favorite Song | 3196 | -293 | -2167 | +84 | 6.950 | -0.491 | 23 | = | HARRY STYLES | Satellite | 3001 | -12 | 72 | -69 | 5.704 | -0.033 | 24 | = | PITBULL & LIL JON | Jumpin | 2770 | -29 | 266 | -147 | 4.447 | -0.046 | 25 | = | THE WEEKND | Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna | 2714 | +2 | 224 | -87 | 4.852 | +0.083 | 26 | +1 | JUNG KOOK | Seven | 2657 | +307 | 1629 | +153 | 6.365 | +0.444 | 27 | -1 | NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE | Barbie World w/Aqua | 2518 | +86 | 666 | +1 | 5.377 | +0.221 | 28 | = | DOECHII | What It Is (Block Boy) | 2500 | +150 | 944 | -27 | 6.059 | +0.355 | 29 | +2 | DAVID KUSHNER | Daylight | 2237 | +91 | 575 | -6 | 6.334 | +0.211 | 30 | = | FLO RIDA | What A Night | 2127 | -24 | -37 | -48 | 3.881 | -0.030 | 31 | +1 | ONEREPUBLIC | Runaway | 2080 | +1 | 111 | -36 | 3.782 | +0.011 | 32 | -3 | JONAS BROTHERS | Waffle House | 2043 | -256 | -2139 | +243 | 4.725 | -0.517 | 33 | = | JONAS BROTHERS | Summer Baby | 1617 | +14 | 50 | -18 | 3.049 | +0.002 | 34 | = | METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... | Calling f/Swae Lee | 1280 | +26 | 126 | -25 | 2.396 | +0.025 | 35 | = | ICANDY | Keep Dat | 1238 | +30 | 110 | +21 | 1.349 | +0.009 | 36 | = | JAIN | Makeba | 1188 | +92 | 533 | +50 | 2.551 | +0.044 | 37 | = | KALIII | Area Codes | 1092 | +33 | 178 | +3 | 1.743 | +0.047 | 38 | = | DOJA CAT | Attention | 1026 | -26 | -42 | -66 | 1.922 | -0.054 | 39 | = | BENSON BOONE | In The Stars | 906 | +4 | 92 | -27 | 0.984 | +0.026 | 40 | +1 | TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND | K-POP | 811 | +32 | 811 | +32 | 3.200 | +0.094 | 41 | -1 | RITA ORA | Praising You f/Fatboy Slim | 785 | -88 | -1045 | +161 | 1.279 | -0.099 | 42 | = | FALL OUT BOY | We Didn't Start The Fire | 750 | -8 | 190 | -96 | 2.440 | -0.165 | 43 | = | KYLIE MINOGUE | Padam Padam | 704 | +40 | 259 | +12 | 0.985 | +0.041 | 44 | = | SMITH | Lemon | 656 | +9 | 74 | -6 | 0.448 | -0.026 | 45 | = | TXT X JONAS BROTHERS | Do It Like That | 635 | +60 | 199 | +15 | 0.660 | +0.079 | 46 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) | 551 | +52 | 260 | -3 | 1.156 | +0.134 | 47 | = | P1HARMONY | Jump | 510 | +20 | 193 | -12 | 0.428 | +0.012 | 48 | = | ZAYN | Love Like This | 482 | +85 | 482 | +85 | 1.422 | +0.186 | 49 | = | WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS | MIND YOUR BUSINESS | 405 | +55 | 405 | +55 | 0.988 | +0.091 | 50 | = | D4VD | Here With Me | 330 | -2 | 0 | -1 | 0.212 | -0.005 |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 26, 2023 6:15:28 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY UPDATE:
1 1 REMA & SELENA GOMEZ Calm Down 15139 15559 -420 46.578 2 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 14972 15528 -556 45.593 5 3 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 14808 12285 2523 46.525 3 4 MIGUEL Sure Thing 14373 15022 -649 41.529 4 5 MORGAN WALLEN Last Night 12641 12531 110 32.402 6 6 MILEY CYRUS Flowers 10812 12104 -1292 30.501 9 7 DUA LIPA Dance The Night 10256 9933 323 27.509 10 8 FIFTY FIFTY Cupid 10224 9574 650 26.268 12 9 OLIVIA RODRIGO Vampire 9746 8583 1163 28.296 7 10 METRO BOOMIN Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. 9595 10480 -885 29.099
11 11 SZA Snooze 9545 8701 844 24.912 14 12 LUKE COMBS Fast Car 7701 6541 1160 20.202 13 13 D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY Baby Don't Hurt Me 7596 6881 715 18.754 8 14 ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 6787 10383 -3596 16.472 15 15 MILEY CYRUS Jaded 6740 6308 432 16.010 18 16 LIL DURK All My Life f/J. Cole 6000 5228 772 14.087 16 17 POST MALONE Mourning 5704 5387 317 12.192 17 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4215 5385 -1170 12.436 21 19 BAKAR Hell N Back 3894 3517 377 7.166 24 20 DOMINIC FIKE Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across 3665 2623 1042 8.719
22 21 MELANIE MARTINEZ Void 3192 3462 -270 6.394 23 22 HARRY STYLES Satellite 3053 2931 122 5.759 19 23 TOOSII Favorite Song 2994 4983 -1989 6.638 35 24 JUNG KOOK Seven 2917 1205 1712 6.869 25 25 PITBULL & LIL JON Jumpin 2824 2574 250 4.468 26 26 THE WEEKND Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna 2708 2556 152 4.773 32 27 DOECHII What It Is (Block Boy) 2617 1698 919 6.434 29 28 NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE Barbie World w/Aqua 2581 1940 641 5.521 31 29 DAVID KUSHNER Daylight 2345 1742 603 6.521 28 30 ONEREPUBLIC Runaway 2105 2002 103 3.805
27 31 FLO RIDA What A Night 2079 2230 -151 3.746 20 32 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 1848 3736 -1888 4.325 34 33 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1635 1549 86 3.076 36 34 METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... Calling f/Swae Lee 1283 1186 97 2.351 37 35 ICANDY Keep Dat 1251 1149 102 1.362 43 36 JAIN Makeba 1206 727 479 2.608 40 37 KALIII Area Codes 1126 933 193 1.789 39 38 DOJA CAT Attention 1041 1048 -7 2.018 42 39 BENSON BOONE In The Stars 904 834 70 0.976 -- 40 TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND K-POP 858 0 858 3.267
44 41 FALL OUT BOY We Didn't Start The Fire 772 623 149 2.360 47 42 KYLIE MINOGUE Padam Padam 717 486 231 0.985 33 43 RITA ORA Praising You f/Fatboy Slim 714 1592 -878 1.190 45 44 SMITH Lemon 654 598 56 0.441 48 45 TXT X JONAS BROTHERS Do It Like That 652 472 180 0.652 52 46 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) 615 320 295 1.308 -- 47 ZAYN Love Like This 599 0 599 1.644 50 48 P1HARMONY Jump 513 351 162 0.425 -- 49 WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS MIND YOUR BUSINESS 460 0 460 1.048 83 50 NOAH KAHAN Dial Drunk 354 52 302 0.387
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Post by jgarbary on Jul 26, 2023 6:43:53 GMT -5
when was the last time the #1 song on pop had a spin count this low?
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Post by RoseColoredGirl on Jul 26, 2023 9:24:12 GMT -5
when was the last time the #1 song on pop had a spin count this low? I don't have an exact date, but it was common for the #1 song to have about 13,500-15,000 spins in 2012 and 2013 (which you can see if you go back to any of the first couple hundred pages of this thread). The spin threshold grew over the years and I believe it reached its peak in 2019 with over 20,000 spins for Lizzo's "Truth Hurts," and now it seems to be back on the downward spiral towards the number of spins we were seeing in the early 2010s.
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Post by mrsomerton on Jul 26, 2023 11:34:41 GMT -5
when was the last time the #1 song on pop had a spin count this low? I don't have an exact date, but it was common for the #1 song to have about 13,500-15,000 spins in 2012 and 2013 (which you can see if you go back to any of the first couple hundred pages of this thread). The spin threshold grew over the years and I believe it reached its peak in 2019 with over 20,000 spins for Lizzo's "Truth Hurts," and now it seems to be back on the downward spiral towards the number of spins we were seeing in the early 2010s. There are two potential reasons here. Either more songs are being played on Top 40 or there are less stations in the panel and Top 40 is dying off. Unfortunatly, it might be the second one.
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Post by tomgsinger on Jul 26, 2023 12:19:57 GMT -5
when was the last time the #1 song on pop had a spin count this low? Feel it Still in 2017 had a spin count lower than that (I think it was around 14.7k)
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Post by RoseColoredGirl on Jul 26, 2023 12:29:58 GMT -5
when was the last time the #1 song on pop had a spin count this low? Feel it Still in 2017 had a spin count lower than that (I think it was around 14.7k) Looks like this was the lowest that it got. 5 1 PORTUGAL. THE MAN Feel It Still 14881 14282 599 85.072
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 26, 2023 12:38:12 GMT -5
TW | TW+ | Artist | Title | Spins | Spin+ | Bullet | Bullet+ | Aud | Aud+ | 1 | = | REMA & SELENA GOMEZ | Calm Down | 15139 | -113 | -420 | -129 | 46.578 | -0.223 | 2 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | Karma | 14972 | -86 | -556 | -59 | 45.593 | +0.086 | 3 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | Cruel Summer | 14808 | +240 | 2523 | -288 | 46.525 | +0.546 | 4 | = | MIGUEL | Sure Thing | 14373 | -19 | -649 | +39 | 41.529 | -0.358 | 5 | = | MORGAN WALLEN | Last Night | 12641 | -10 | 110 | -35 | 32.402 | +0.005 | 6 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Flowers | 10812 | -133 | -1292 | +83 | 30.501 | -0.706 | 7 | = | DUA LIPA | Dance The Night | 10256 | +38 | 323 | +30 | 27.509 | +0.092 | 8 | = | FIFTY FIFTY | Cupid | 10224 | +113 | 650 | +37 | 26.268 | +0.157 | 9 | +1 | OLIVIA RODRIGO | Vampire | 9746 | +134 | 1163 | -100 | 28.296 | +0.349 | 10 | -1 | METRO BOOMIN | Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. | 9595 | -71 | -885 | +29 | 29.099 | -0.264 | 11 | = | SZA | Snooze | 9545 | +39 | 844 | -235 | 24.912 | +0.203 | 12 | = | LUKE COMBS | Fast Car | 7701 | +123 | 1160 | -126 | 20.202 | +0.244 | 13 | = | D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY | Baby Don't Hurt Me | 7596 | +113 | 715 | -5 | 18.754 | +0.313 | 14 | = | ED SHEERAN | Eyes Closed | 6787 | -591 | -3596 | -494 | 16.472 | -1.228 | 15 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Jaded | 6740 | +67 | 432 | +40 | 16.010 | +0.197 | 16 | = | LIL DURK | All My Life f/J. Cole | 6000 | +170 | 772 | +119 | 14.087 | +0.385 | 17 | = | POST MALONE | Mourning | 5704 | -69 | 317 | -171 | 12.192 | -0.085 | 18 | = | POST MALONE | Chemical | 4215 | -136 | -1170 | +37 | 12.436 | -0.249 | 19 | = | BAKAR | Hell N Back | 3894 | +35 | 377 | -75 | 7.166 | +0.065 | 20 | = | DOMINIC FIKE | Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across | 3665 | +158 | 1042 | -30 | 8.719 | +0.403 | 21 | = | MELANIE MARTINEZ | Void | 3192 | -48 | -270 | -47 | 6.394 | -0.006 | 22 | +1 | HARRY STYLES | Satellite | 3053 | +52 | 122 | +50 | 5.759 | +0.055 | 23 | -1 | TOOSII | Favorite Song | 2994 | -202 | -1989 | +178 | 6.638 | -0.312 | 24 | +2 | JUNG KOOK | Seven | 2917 | +260 | 1712 | +83 | 6.869 | +0.504 | 25 | -1 | PITBULL & LIL JON | Jumpin | 2824 | +54 | 250 | -16 | 4.468 | +0.021 | 26 | -1 | THE WEEKND | Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna | 2708 | -6 | 152 | -72 | 4.773 | -0.079 | 27 | +1 | DOECHII | What It Is (Block Boy) | 2617 | +117 | 919 | -25 | 6.434 | +0.375 | 28 | -1 | NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE | Barbie World w/Aqua | 2581 | +63 | 641 | -25 | 5.521 | +0.144 | 29 | = | DAVID KUSHNER | Daylight | 2345 | +108 | 603 | +28 | 6.521 | +0.187 | 30 | +1 | ONEREPUBLIC | Runaway | 2105 | +25 | 103 | -8 | 3.805 | +0.023 | 31 | -1 | FLO RIDA | What A Night | 2079 | -48 | -151 | -114 | 3.746 | -0.135 | 32 | = | JONAS BROTHERS | Waffle House | 1848 | -195 | -1888 | +251 | 4.325 | -0.400 | 33 | = | JONAS BROTHERS | Summer Baby | 1635 | +18 | 86 | +36 | 3.076 | +0.027 | 34 | = | METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... | Calling f/Swae Lee | 1283 | +3 | 97 | -29 | 2.351 | -0.045 | 35 | = | ICANDY | Keep Dat | 1251 | +13 | 102 | -8 | 1.362 | +0.013 | 36 | = | JAIN | Makeba | 1206 | +18 | 479 | -54 | 2.608 | +0.057 | 37 | = | KALIII | Area Codes | 1126 | +34 | 193 | +15 | 1.789 | +0.046 | 38 | = | DOJA CAT | Attention | 1041 | +15 | -7 | +35 | 2.018 | +0.096 | 39 | = | BENSON BOONE | In The Stars | 904 | -2 | 70 | -22 | 0.976 | -0.008 | 40 | = | TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND | K-POP | 858 | +47 | 858 | +47 | 3.267 | +0.067 | 41 | +1 | FALL OUT BOY | We Didn't Start The Fire | 772 | +22 | 149 | -41 | 2.360 | -0.080 | 42 | +1 | KYLIE MINOGUE | Padam Padam | 717 | +13 | 231 | -28 | 0.985 | +0.000 | 43 | -2 | RITA ORA | Praising You f/Fatboy Slim | 714 | -71 | -878 | +167 | 1.190 | -0.089 | 44 | = | SMITH | Lemon | 654 | -2 | 56 | -18 | 0.441 | -0.007 | 45 | = | TXT X JONAS BROTHERS | Do It Like That | 652 | +17 | 180 | -19 | 0.652 | -0.008 | 46 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) | 615 | +64 | 295 | +35 | 1.308 | +0.152 | 47 | +1 | ZAYN | Love Like This | 599 | +117 | 599 | +117 | 1.644 | +0.222 | 48 | -1 | P1HARMONY | Jump | 513 | +3 | 162 | -31 | 0.425 | -0.003 | 49 | = | WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS | MIND YOUR BUSINESS | 460 | +55 | 460 | +55 | 1.048 | +0.060 | 50 | -- | NOAH KAHAN | Dial Drunk | 354 | -- | 302 | -- | 0.387 | -- |
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Post by jgarbary on Jul 26, 2023 13:11:13 GMT -5
I don't have an exact date, but it was common for the #1 song to have about 13,500-15,000 spins in 2012 and 2013 (which you can see if you go back to any of the first couple hundred pages of this thread). The spin threshold grew over the years and I believe it reached its peak in 2019 with over 20,000 spins for Lizzo's "Truth Hurts," and now it seems to be back on the downward spiral towards the number of spins we were seeing in the early 2010s. There are two potential reasons here. Either more songs are being played on Top 40 or there are less stations in the panel and Top 40 is dying off. Unfortunatly, it might be the second one. I thought I remember seeing someone post something on Pulse about a metric which tracked the level of agreement stations had with regard to what songs to put into power.. and that this metric was particularly low nowadays. It would make sense that the lower the level of agreement, the lower the spin count would be for each of the top 5-10 or so songs. I forget who posted it though, or what thread it was on.
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Post by johnm1120 on Jul 26, 2023 13:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 26, 2023 17:55:12 GMT -5
I don't have an exact date, but it was common for the #1 song to have about 13,500-15,000 spins in 2012 and 2013 (which you can see if you go back to any of the first couple hundred pages of this thread). The spin threshold grew over the years and I believe it reached its peak in 2019 with over 20,000 spins for Lizzo's "Truth Hurts," and now it seems to be back on the downward spiral towards the number of spins we were seeing in the early 2010s. There are two potential reasons here. Either more songs are being played on Top 40 or there are less stations in the panel and Top 40 is dying off. Unfortunatly, it might be the second one. Actually I believe there's roughly the same amount of stations now being tracked as in the early 2010s. BUT, there's a third option that you missed that seems to be closer to reality: higher recurrent play.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 26, 2023 18:32:03 GMT -5
14 = ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 6787 -591 -3596 -494 16.472 -1.228
fall Ed, fall...this is only the beginning. What's the record?
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Post by thatchos on Jul 26, 2023 19:38:02 GMT -5
14 = ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 6787 -591 -3596 -494 16.472 -1.228 fall Ed, fall...this is only the beginning. What's the record? Biggest spin losses: -4990 JOJI Glimpse Of Us (2022) -4986 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do (2017) -4710 JUSTIN BIEBER Anyone (2021) -4604 TAYLOR SWIFT End Game f/Ed Sheeran & Future -4602 MEGHAN TRAINOR NO (2016) -4439 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Filthy (2018) -4432 TAYLOR SWIFT Ready For It -4385 HALSEY You should be sad (2020) -4370 DEMI LOVATO I Love Me (2020) -4282 TREVOR DANIEL Falling (2020) -4267 TRAVIS SCOTT & HVME Goosebumps (Remix) (2021) -4199 KE$HA Die Young (2012) -4189 JUSTIN BIEBER Yummy (2020) -4143 MAROON 5 Maps (2014) -4122 KATY PERRY Chained To The Rhythm (2017) -4119 AVA MAX My Head & My Heart (2021) -4040 ARIANA GRANDE Break Free f/Zedd (2014) I honestly didn’t expect radio to drop it this quickly. These are the highest spin losses. A relatively fresh topic (at least in my mind) since Joji just broke the record in October. I can imagine Ed breaking the 4000 threshold. Getting the record would be surprising
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THURSDAY UPDATE:
4 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 15010 12774 2236 47.083 1 2 REMA & SELENA GOMEZ Calm Down 14989 15570 -581 46.220 2 3 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 14960 15419 -459 45.635 3 4 MIGUEL Sure Thing 14264 14967 -703 41.225 5 5 MORGAN WALLEN Last Night 12654 12553 101 32.548 6 6 MILEY CYRUS Flowers 10736 11818 -1082 30.436 10 7 FIFTY FIFTY Cupid 10328 9646 682 26.322 9 8 DUA LIPA Dance The Night 10272 9950 322 27.558 12 9 OLIVIA RODRIGO Vampire 9896 8717 1179 28.617 11 10 SZA Snooze 9603 8963 640 25.133
7 11 METRO BOOMIN Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. 9584 10268 -684 28.913 14 12 LUKE COMBS Fast Car 7856 6756 1100 20.553 13 13 D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY Baby Don't Hurt Me 7632 6988 644 18.884 15 14 MILEY CYRUS Jaded 6780 6414 366 16.082 8 15 ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 6226 10171 -3945 15.180 17 16 LIL DURK All My Life f/J. Cole 6047 5378 669 14.280 16 17 POST MALONE Mourning 5668 5497 171 12.133 18 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4175 5223 -1048 12.386 20 19 BAKAR Hell N Back 3988 3540 448 7.361 24 20 DOMINIC FIKE Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across 3901 2719 1182 9.265
21 21 MELANIE MARTINEZ Void 3182 3395 -213 6.422 33 22 JUNG KOOK Seven 3103 1518 1585 7.120 23 23 HARRY STYLES Satellite 3032 2989 43 5.745 25 24 PITBULL & LIL JON Jumpin 2877 2612 265 4.574 19 25 TOOSII Favorite Song 2793 4639 -1846 6.384 30 26 DOECHII What It Is (Block Boy) 2771 1872 899 6.910 26 27 THE WEEKND Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna 2710 2580 130 4.765 29 28 NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE Barbie World w/Aqua 2668 2007 661 5.669 31 29 DAVID KUSHNER Daylight 2419 1866 553 6.682 28 30 ONEREPUBLIC Runaway 2113 2031 82 3.812
27 31 FLO RIDA What A Night 2026 2227 -201 3.666 32 32 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1661 1551 110 3.084 22 33 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 1655 3330 -1675 4.059 43 34 JAIN Makeba 1271 754 517 2.723 36 35 METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... Calling f/Swae Lee 1265 1202 63 2.323 37 36 ICANDY Keep Dat 1255 1177 78 1.325 40 37 KALIII Area Codes 1158 944 214 1.807 39 38 DOJA CAT Attention 1053 1009 44 2.050 -- 39 TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND K-POP 971 0 971 3.411 41 40 BENSON BOONE In The Stars 903 845 58 0.981
44 41 FALL OUT BOY We Didn't Start The Fire 782 685 97 2.295 -- 42 ZAYN Love Like This 739 0 739 1.844 46 43 KYLIE MINOGUE Padam Padam 700 552 148 0.988 45 44 SMITH Lemon 695 601 94 0.482 35 45 RITA ORA Praising You f/Fatboy Slim 668 1378 -710 1.141 47 46 TXT X JONAS BROTHERS Do It Like That 660 507 153 0.654 51 47 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) 638 370 268 1.376 -- 48 WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS MIND YOUR BUSINESS 532 0 532 1.120 50 49 P1HARMONY Jump 532 373 159 0.410 64 50 NOAH KAHAN Dial Drunk 396 85 311 0.437
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TW | TW+ | Artist | Title | Spins | Spin+ | Bullet | Bullet+ | Aud | Aud+ | 1 | +2 | TAYLOR SWIFT | Cruel Summer | 15010 | +202 | 2236 | -287 | 47.083 | +0.558 | 2 | -1 | REMA & SELENA GOMEZ | Calm Down | 14989 | -150 | -581 | -161 | 46.220 | -0.358 | 3 | -1 | TAYLOR SWIFT | Karma | 14960 | -12 | -459 | +97 | 45.635 | +0.042 | 4 | = | MIGUEL | Sure Thing | 14264 | -109 | -703 | -54 | 41.225 | -0.304 | 5 | = | MORGAN WALLEN | Last Night | 12654 | +13 | 101 | -9 | 32.548 | +0.146 | 6 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Flowers | 10736 | -76 | -1082 | +210 | 30.436 | -0.065 | 7 | +1 | FIFTY FIFTY | Cupid | 10328 | +104 | 682 | +32 | 26.322 | +0.054 | 8 | -1 | DUA LIPA | Dance The Night | 10272 | +16 | 322 | -1 | 27.558 | +0.049 | 9 | = | OLIVIA RODRIGO | Vampire | 9896 | +150 | 1179 | +16 | 28.617 | +0.321 | 10 | +1 | SZA | Snooze | 9603 | +58 | 640 | -204 | 25.133 | +0.221 | 11 | -1 | METRO BOOMIN | Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. | 9584 | -11 | -684 | +201 | 28.913 | -0.186 | 12 | = | LUKE COMBS | Fast Car | 7856 | +155 | 1100 | -60 | 20.553 | +0.351 | 13 | = | D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY | Baby Don't Hurt Me | 7632 | +36 | 644 | -71 | 18.884 | +0.130 | 14 | +1 | MILEY CYRUS | Jaded | 6780 | +40 | 366 | -66 | 16.082 | +0.072 | 15 | -1 | ED SHEERAN | Eyes Closed | 6226 | -561 | -3945 | -349 | 15.180 | -1.292 | 16 | = | LIL DURK | All My Life f/J. Cole | 6047 | +47 | 669 | -103 | 14.280 | +0.193 | 17 | = | POST MALONE | Mourning | 5668 | -36 | 171 | -146 | 12.133 | -0.059 | 18 | = | POST MALONE | Chemical | 4175 | -40 | -1048 | +122 | 12.386 | -0.050 | 19 | = | BAKAR | Hell N Back | 3988 | +94 | 448 | +71 | 7.361 | +0.195 | 20 | = | DOMINIC FIKE | Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across | 3901 | +236 | 1182 | +140 | 9.265 | +0.546 | 21 | = | MELANIE MARTINEZ | Void | 3182 | -10 | -213 | +57 | 6.422 | +0.028 | 22 | +2 | JUNG KOOK | Seven | 3103 | +186 | 1585 | -127 | 7.120 | +0.251 | 23 | -1 | HARRY STYLES | Satellite | 3032 | -21 | 43 | -79 | 5.745 | -0.014 | 24 | +1 | PITBULL & LIL JON | Jumpin | 2877 | +53 | 265 | +15 | 4.574 | +0.106 | 25 | -2 | TOOSII | Favorite Song | 2793 | -201 | -1846 | +143 | 6.384 | -0.254 | 26 | +1 | DOECHII | What It Is (Block Boy) | 2771 | +154 | 899 | -20 | 6.910 | +0.476 | 27 | -1 | THE WEEKND | Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna | 2710 | +2 | 130 | -22 | 4.765 | -0.008 | 28 | = | NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE | Barbie World w/Aqua | 2668 | +87 | 661 | +20 | 5.669 | +0.148 | 29 | = | DAVID KUSHNER | Daylight | 2419 | +74 | 553 | -50 | 6.682 | +0.161 | 30 | = | ONEREPUBLIC | Runaway | 2113 | +8 | 82 | -21 | 3.812 | +0.007 | 31 | = | FLO RIDA | What A Night | 2026 | -53 | -201 | -50 | 3.666 | -0.080 | 32 | +1 | JONAS BROTHERS | Summer Baby | 1661 | +26 | 110 | +24 | 3.084 | +0.008 | 33 | -1 | JONAS BROTHERS | Waffle House | 1655 | -193 | -1675 | +213 | 4.059 | -0.266 | 34 | +2 | JAIN | Makeba | 1271 | +65 | 517 | +38 | 2.723 | +0.115 | 35 | -1 | METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... | Calling f/Swae Lee | 1265 | -18 | 63 | -34 | 2.323 | -0.028 | 36 | -1 | ICANDY | Keep Dat | 1255 | +4 | 78 | -24 | 1.325 | -0.037 | 37 | = | KALIII | Area Codes | 1158 | +32 | 214 | +21 | 1.807 | +0.018 | 38 | = | DOJA CAT | Attention | 1053 | +12 | 44 | +51 | 2.050 | +0.032 | 39 | +1 | TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND | K-POP | 971 | +113 | 971 | +113 | 3.411 | +0.144 | 40 | -1 | BENSON BOONE | In The Stars | 903 | -1 | 58 | -12 | 0.981 | +0.005 | 41 | = | FALL OUT BOY | We Didn't Start The Fire | 782 | +10 | 97 | -52 | 2.295 | -0.065 | 42 | +5 | ZAYN | Love Like This | 739 | +140 | 739 | +140 | 1.844 | +0.200 | 43 | -1 | KYLIE MINOGUE | Padam Padam | 700 | -17 | 148 | -83 | 0.988 | +0.003 | 44 | = | SMITH | Lemon | 695 | +41 | 94 | +38 | 0.482 | +0.041 | 45 | -2 | RITA ORA | Praising You f/Fatboy Slim | 668 | -46 | -710 | +168 | 1.141 | -0.049 | 46 | -1 | TXT X JONAS BROTHERS | Do It Like That | 660 | +8 | 153 | -27 | 0.654 | +0.002 | 47 | -1 | TAYLOR SWIFT | I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) | 638 | +23 | 268 | -27 | 1.376 | +0.068 | 48 | +1 | WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS | MIND YOUR BUSINESS | 532 | +72 | 532 | +72 | 1.120 | +0.072 | 49 | -1 | P1HARMONY | Jump | 532 | +19 | 159 | -3 | 0.410 | -0.015 | 50 | = | NOAH KAHAN | Dial Drunk | 396 | +42 | 311 | +9 | 0.437 | +0.050 |
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Post by bat1990 on Jul 27, 2023 8:06:29 GMT -5
Oh shit! I didn't even realize "Cruel Summer" slid into the #1 spot today!!!
But BOOOOO at that update for Kylie. It just went for adds radio!
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2023 8:41:03 GMT -5
^ It didn't yet; the 'Impacting Now' flair goes onto threads in the week preceding their adds date (its date is meant to be next Tuesday). _____________ (I'm adding to this post because it's the last in-thread and also it's not strictly related to the Nicki/Ice/Aqua thread I was replying to): radio counting the most towards Billboard Tell that to Pink ("Trustfall") and Miley ("Jaded") with 20+ million AI. each but barely charting on the Hot 100 with no streaming.
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Post by think pink. on Jul 27, 2023 10:15:20 GMT -5
^ It didn't yet; the 'Impacting Now' flair goes onto threads in the week preceding their adds date (its date is meant to be next Tuesday). _____________ (I'm adding to this post because it's the last in-thread and also it's not strictly related to the Nicki/Ice/Aqua thread I was replying to): radio counting the most towards Billboard Tell that to Pink ("Trustfall") and Miley ("Jaded") with 20+ million AI. each but barely charting on the Hot 100 with no streaming. 20 million in radio whilst Barbie World doesn’t even have that after two months despite staying consistent on streaming before the movie came out and now exploding. Radio is still the problem. No one consumes music that way anymore yet it still holds the most weight for Billboard.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2023 10:52:02 GMT -5
Two months? It's been barely over one, and thanks for completely side-stepping my point to double down on the (incorrect) assumption that radio has too much power on the Hot 100.
This song got its initial peak from stan-fuelled sales bullshit (it wouldn't have debuted top 10 without them); its run since then has been carried by streaming, yes, but it runs counter to your argument about radio when it's spent its four weeks so far in the top half of the chart with minimal airplay (EDIT: And in light of Hurricane Swift's most recent touchdown, to boot). Unless you were expecting an instant +2000 bullet for consecutive weeks, radio has been jumping on board at quite a reasonable pace in light of its streaming gains. And now it's looking to match or even surpass its original peak without sales gimmick garbage to legitimize its top 10 hit status.
Nicki has never been a pop radio darling - for all her hits she's had her fair share of misses. And Ice Spice has yet to truly stand on her own on the format; two big features look good on paper but that doesn't make her a benefactor for instant success.
Radio has its own problems for sure, unrealistic expectations aren't one of them.
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Post by think pink. on Jul 27, 2023 12:09:50 GMT -5
The song debuted very well on its own on streaming. Stans actually BUYING the music will never not be worse than a song being forced fed through radio deals and who radio programmers favor and have personal relationships with.
Your point about Nick never being a radio darling on Pop further supports my argument about radio being all politics. And in this case, she just came off a hit with Super Freaky Girl. This should’ve not taken radio this long to “slowly” build anything. We’ve seen artists debut more on radio with far less and far more “misses” than Nicki has ever had.
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Post by iforgot on Jul 27, 2023 12:40:41 GMT -5
Two months? It's been barely over one, and thanks for completely side-stepping my point to double down on the (incorrect) assumption that radio has too much power on the Hot 100. This song got its initial peak from stan-fuelled sales bullshit (it wouldn't have debuted top 10 without them); its run since then has been carried by streaming, yes, but it runs counter to your argument about radio when it's spent its four weeks so far in the top half of the chart with minimal airplay ( EDIT: And in light of Hurricane Swift's most recent touchdown, to boot). Unless you were expecting an instant +2000 bullet for consecutive weeks, radio has been jumping on board at quite a reasonable pace in light of its streaming gains. And now it's looking to match or even surpass its original peak without sales gimmick garbage to legitimize its top 10 hit status. Nicki has never been a pop radio darling - for all her hits she's had her fair share of misses. And Ice Spice has yet to truly stand on her own on the format; two big features look good on paper but that doesn't make her a benefactor for instant success. Radio has its own problems for sure, unrealistic expectations aren't one of them. The song sold 37k downloads, 16.2 million streams first week. I wouldn’t call that number “Stan-fueled bullshit,” and even so how silly is it to try to dismiss FANS buying music? There was a time big downloads was the thing, you know. But if it had tons of streams first week would it have been Stans spam-streaming? And I’m sure if it was getting fair radio play it would be payola. Funny enough with those first week streams and I guess whatever your idea of an appropriate first week sales number for popular artist (1k? 5k???), it would possibly have a chance at T10 if radio wasn’t holding on to 7-8 month old songs. And for every reason you’re writing off two recently popular artists on T40, you have handful of acts who just instantly receive high bullets with no streams and no sales flying up the chart. So yeah, a pop-trap song like BW and the hype/campaign should see it getting the type of play every Ed Sheeran or Post Malone song gets despite them being MIA on every other format. It’s weird who has to meet criteria to get +2000 bullet and who doesn’t.
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Post by think pink. on Jul 27, 2023 12:54:56 GMT -5
Two months? It's been barely over one, and thanks for completely side-stepping my point to double down on the (incorrect) assumption that radio has too much power on the Hot 100. This song got its initial peak from stan-fuelled sales bullshit (it wouldn't have debuted top 10 without them); its run since then has been carried by streaming, yes, but it runs counter to your argument about radio when it's spent its four weeks so far in the top half of the chart with minimal airplay ( EDIT: And in light of Hurricane Swift's most recent touchdown, to boot). Unless you were expecting an instant +2000 bullet for consecutive weeks, radio has been jumping on board at quite a reasonable pace in light of its streaming gains. And now it's looking to match or even surpass its original peak without sales gimmick garbage to legitimize its top 10 hit status. Nicki has never been a pop radio darling - for all her hits she's had her fair share of misses. And Ice Spice has yet to truly stand on her own on the format; two big features look good on paper but that doesn't make her a benefactor for instant success. Radio has its own problems for sure, unrealistic expectations aren't one of them. The song sold 37k downloads, 16.2 million streams first week. I wouldn’t call that number “Stan-fueled bullshit,” and even so how silly is it to try to dismiss FANS buying music? There was a time big downloads was the thing, you know. But if it had tons of streams first week would it have been Stans spam-streaming? And I’m sure if it was getting fair radio play it would be payola. Funny enough with those first week streams and I guess whatever your idea of an appropriate first week sales number for popular artist (1k? 5k???), it would possibly have a chance at T10 if radio wasn’t holding on to 7-8 month old songs. And for every reason you’re writing off two recently popular artists on T40, you have handful of acts who just instantly receive high bullets with no streams and no sales flying up the chart. So yeah, a pop-trap song like BW and the hype/campaign should see it getting the type of play every Ed Sheeran or Post Malone song gets despite them being MIA on every other format. It’s weird who has to meet criteria to get +2000 bullet and who doesn’t. !!!!! 👏🏻 You articulated my point so much better than I could 💀. Thank you! 😂😭.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 27, 2023 13:06:02 GMT -5
Lol. A bunch of quick and lazy 'remixes' that could be thrown together in half an hour which stans could buy multiple sets of from multiple different sources. Same playbook as the ARMY (and at least their remixes were actual remixes). The streams were there. Top 40 debut was pretty certain. But without being able to game that last sales loophole a top 10 debut probably wasn't happening. 10-15k sales seems fair enough in this sales climate. (EDIT: And without the sped-up/slowed-down/"extended" versions. Clean/Explicit/Instrumental are fair game).
Pop radio holding onto old songs for waaaaaaay too long isn't a Nicki problem or a 'politics' problem. That's a 'radio is fucking stupid in its own right' problem. As for Sheeran/Post getting the level of airplay you think Nicki should be getting, they didn't get there overnight. And they also shouldn't have. 'Chemical' for Post, I guess you could chalk up to absolutely nothing exciting going on for the format and they were desperate for any new blood from an A-lister. 'Mourning', well that seems to have gotten as far as it has because of Post but he sure as shit ain't getting a free ride. As for Sheeran... I got nothing. There's no excuse for that. But also he didn't just explode to his peak he plodded along for ages too in spite of every other metric saying 'no1curr'. (EDIT 2: Okay I checked his first few weeks and that was the same with Post except on even more steroids. Still, after those first few weeks radio should've gotten the hint it was a dud and for months they just... didn't).
It still comes down, to me, as if you think radio was supposed to fall over itself to pick up 'Barbie World' because... why exactly? Because it's Nicki Minaj? Because Ice Spice had a couple of hit features? I'd argue radio wouldn't know what to do with the song, even knowing what it was for. Aqua sample? Movie tie-in single? How would anyone know it wasn't gonna be just another one-week wonder? And as I seem to recall, the song went top 40 in basically a week so if you think radio is snubbing Nicki OR this song you clearly don't pay enough attention to the lay of the land these days.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on Jul 27, 2023 18:21:08 GMT -5
This is such an odd argument.
I do agree that radio weighs too much - and for that matter, sales might still weigh a little too much too - but Barbie World isn't a good song to make either of those points. Only a fairly small, select group of songs are able to sail into CHR's top 10 in less than a month, and the ones that do achieve that will do so because they got a huge radio deal in week one to kick things off. BW did not get one of those deals, so it's honestly just unrealistic to be mad about BW not racing to the top that quickly. To the extent we want to bring 'politics' into it, that is (shockingly) probably not radio's fault this time. I can't recall if it was said in this thread or the general radio discussion one about AllAccess shutting down, but labels are slashing their radio budgets across the board (big part of why AA went under) and I really think that's all it comes down to in this instance. The soundtrack was released by Atlantic (a Warner subsidiary) so lbr here, Dua (a Warner artist) got the lead and probably sucked up the bulk of whatever radio budget they were initially willing to spare for the whole project. And stations aren't going to run the spins up on any song unless a label is pushing them to do so.
Now that the whole soundtrack is exploding, Atlantic might reach back and give BW a little extra push. But there's also a pretty good chance they don't and frankly it would be a perfectly reasonable business decision because the song is already top 10 anyway without the heavy lifting. #1 is likely out of the question with the country boys declaring this the summer that the south shall rise again, so why bother spending more money on a dying medium? Might as well let BW ride out whatever streaming power it has on its own and collect that sweet passive income.
TBH I personally would think it was a nice flex to have a song streaming well enough to not need radio to help lift it to a top 10 peak, but das jus' me!
As for sales....look at what's going to be #1 this week. Or remember last summer when Olivia got screwed out of a proper SOTS crown because Army kept spamming the sales. The thing with sales is that the intent behind purchasing is not the same anymore and it makes big bulk sales feel illegitimate even if they aren't. Back in the day, the general public was a music buying public, even the most rabid of stans were only going to buy a song once (maybe twice for different devices), and you could thus assume the numbers you saw were a reflection of interest in the music itself. Now, sales exist almost solely because of rabid stans coordinating buys to boost their faves, or it's actual political bullshit that has almost nothing to do with whether anyone buying it was listening to it. I hate the thought of entirely phasing singles out, but the intent behind large sales weeks now feels so far removed from people's thoughts on the music itself and more about folks trying to prove the popularity of a certain artist or cause, that it's hard for me to view anything over 10k as entirely legit anymore.
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FRIDAY UPDATE:
4 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 15158 13279 1879 47.461 1 2 REMA & SELENA GOMEZ Calm Down 14827 15553 -726 45.838 2 3 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 14724 15275 -551 45.164 3 4 MIGUEL Sure Thing 14161 14827 -666 40.999 5 5 MORGAN WALLEN Last Night 12581 12537 44 32.206 6 6 MILEY CYRUS Flowers 10590 11569 -979 30.245 10 7 FIFTY FIFTY Cupid 10414 9699 715 26.455 8 8 DUA LIPA Dance The Night 10259 9976 283 27.565 12 9 OLIVIA RODRIGO Vampire 10044 8877 1167 29.146 11 10 SZA Snooze 9637 9173 464 25.484
7 11 METRO BOOMIN Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. 9523 10103 -580 28.801 14 12 LUKE COMBS Fast Car 8013 6949 1064 20.907 13 13 D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY Baby Don't Hurt Me 7693 7063 630 19.094 15 14 MILEY CYRUS Jaded 6844 6411 433 16.170 17 15 LIL DURK All My Life f/J. Cole 6095 5545 550 14.396 16 16 POST MALONE Mourning 5675 5589 86 12.150 9 17 ED SHEERAN Eyes Closed 5633 9816 -4183 13.796 18 18 POST MALONE Chemical 4063 5054 -991 12.094 24 19 DOMINIC FIKE Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across 4047 2852 1195 9.852 20 20 BAKAR Hell N Back 4030 3600 430 7.351
32 21 JUNG KOOK Seven 3251 1872 1379 7.312 21 22 MELANIE MARTINEZ Void 3110 3385 -275 6.277 22 23 HARRY STYLES Satellite 3047 2997 50 5.833 29 24 DOECHII What It Is (Block Boy) 2895 2062 833 7.328 25 25 PITBULL & LIL JON Jumpin 2840 2673 167 4.519 28 26 NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE Barbie World w/Aqua 2768 2091 677 5.873 26 27 THE WEEKND Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna 2722 2610 112 4.828 19 28 TOOSII Favorite Song 2588 4329 -1741 6.075 31 29 DAVID KUSHNER Daylight 2476 1927 549 6.862 30 30 ONEREPUBLIC Runaway 2104 2047 57 3.789
27 31 FLO RIDA What A Night 1960 2196 -236 3.574 33 32 JONAS BROTHERS Summer Baby 1642 1572 70 3.046 23 33 JONAS BROTHERS Waffle House 1437 2945 -1508 3.641 42 34 JAIN Makeba 1319 810 509 2.851 36 35 ICANDY Keep Dat 1273 1173 100 1.323 34 36 METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... Calling f/Swae Lee 1259 1232 27 2.305 40 37 KALIII Area Codes 1174 970 204 1.782 70 38 TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND K-POP 1052 75 977 3.500 38 39 DOJA CAT Attention 1022 1026 -4 1.948 41 40 BENSON BOONE In The Stars 899 853 46 0.960
239 41 ZAYN Love Like This 878 3 875 2.032 44 42 FALL OUT BOY We Didn't Start The Fire 803 711 92 2.309 46 43 KYLIE MINOGUE Padam Padam 728 574 154 1.060 45 44 SMITH Lemon 711 611 100 0.490 50 45 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) 674 398 276 1.453 47 46 TXT X JONAS BROTHERS Do It Like That 658 514 144 0.636 -- 47 WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS MIND YOUR BUSINESS 608 0 608 1.212 35 48 RITA ORA Praising You f/Fatboy Slim 605 1193 -588 1.088 49 49 P1HARMONY Jump 555 405 150 0.441 58 50 NOAH KAHAN Dial Drunk 480 123 357 0.613
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 28, 2023 13:40:20 GMT -5
TW | TW+ | Artist | Title | Spins | Spin+ | Bullet | Bullet+ | Aud | Aud+ | 1 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | Cruel Summer | 15158 | +148 | 1879 | -357 | 47.461 | +0.378 | 2 | = | REMA & SELENA GOMEZ | Calm Down | 14827 | -162 | -726 | -145 | 45.838 | -0.382 | 3 | = | TAYLOR SWIFT | Karma | 14724 | -236 | -551 | -92 | 45.164 | -0.471 | 4 | = | MIGUEL | Sure Thing | 14161 | -103 | -666 | +37 | 40.999 | -0.226 | 5 | = | MORGAN WALLEN | Last Night | 12581 | -73 | 44 | -57 | 32.206 | -0.342 | 6 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Flowers | 10590 | -146 | -979 | +103 | 30.245 | -0.191 | 7 | = | FIFTY FIFTY | Cupid | 10414 | +86 | 715 | +33 | 26.455 | +0.133 | 8 | = | DUA LIPA | Dance The Night | 10259 | -13 | 283 | -39 | 27.565 | +0.007 | 9 | = | OLIVIA RODRIGO | Vampire | 10044 | +148 | 1167 | -12 | 29.146 | +0.529 | 10 | = | SZA | Snooze | 9637 | +34 | 464 | -176 | 25.484 | +0.351 | 11 | = | METRO BOOMIN | Creepin' f/The Weeknd, 21 Sav. | 9523 | -61 | -580 | +104 | 28.801 | -0.112 | 12 | = | LUKE COMBS | Fast Car | 8013 | +157 | 1064 | -36 | 20.907 | +0.354 | 13 | = | D. GUETTA/ANNE-MARIE/C. LERAY | Baby Don't Hurt Me | 7693 | +61 | 630 | -14 | 19.094 | +0.210 | 14 | = | MILEY CYRUS | Jaded | 6844 | +64 | 433 | +67 | 16.170 | +0.088 | 15 | +1 | LIL DURK | All My Life f/J. Cole | 6095 | +48 | 550 | -119 | 14.396 | +0.116 | 16 | +1 | POST MALONE | Mourning | 5675 | +7 | 86 | -85 | 12.150 | +0.017 | 17 | -2 | ED SHEERAN | Eyes Closed | 5633 | -593 | -4183 | -238 | 13.796 | -1.384 | 18 | = | POST MALONE | Chemical | 4063 | -112 | -991 | +57 | 12.094 | -0.292 | 19 | +1 | DOMINIC FIKE | Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across | 4047 | +146 | 1195 | +13 | 9.852 | +0.587 | 20 | -1 | BAKAR | Hell N Back | 4030 | +42 | 430 | -18 | 7.351 | -0.010 | 21 | +1 | JUNG KOOK | Seven | 3251 | +148 | 1379 | -206 | 7.312 | +0.192 | 22 | -1 | MELANIE MARTINEZ | Void | 3110 | -72 | -275 | -62 | 6.277 | -0.145 | 23 | = | HARRY STYLES | Satellite | 3047 | +15 | 50 | +7 | 5.833 | +0.088 | 24 | +2 | DOECHII | What It Is (Block Boy) | 2895 | +124 | 833 | -66 | 7.328 | +0.418 | 25 | -1 | PITBULL & LIL JON | Jumpin | 2840 | -37 | 167 | -98 | 4.519 | -0.055 | 26 | +2 | NICKI MINAJ & ICE SPICE | Barbie World w/Aqua | 2768 | +100 | 677 | +16 | 5.873 | +0.204 | 27 | = | THE WEEKND | Popular f/Playboi C. & Madonna | 2722 | +12 | 112 | -18 | 4.828 | +0.063 | 28 | -3 | TOOSII | Favorite Song | 2588 | -205 | -1741 | +105 | 6.075 | -0.309 | 29 | = | DAVID KUSHNER | Daylight | 2476 | +57 | 549 | -4 | 6.862 | +0.180 | 30 | = | ONEREPUBLIC | Runaway | 2104 | -9 | 57 | -25 | 3.789 | -0.023 | 31 | = | FLO RIDA | What A Night | 1960 | -66 | -236 | -35 | 3.574 | -0.092 | 32 | = | JONAS BROTHERS | Summer Baby | 1642 | -19 | 70 | -40 | 3.046 | -0.038 | 33 | = | JONAS BROTHERS | Waffle House | 1437 | -218 | -1508 | +167 | 3.641 | -0.418 | 34 | = | JAIN | Makeba | 1319 | +48 | 509 | -8 | 2.851 | +0.128 | 35 | +1 | ICANDY | Keep Dat | 1273 | +18 | 100 | +22 | 1.323 | -0.002 | 36 | -1 | METRO BOOMIN/NAV/A BOOGIE... | Calling f/Swae Lee | 1259 | -6 | 27 | -36 | 2.305 | -0.018 | 37 | = | KALIII | Area Codes | 1174 | +16 | 204 | -10 | 1.782 | -0.025 | 38 | +1 | TRAVIS SCOTT/BAD BUNNY/WEEKND | K-POP | 1052 | +81 | 977 | +6 | 3.500 | +0.089 | 39 | -1 | DOJA CAT | Attention | 1022 | -31 | -4 | -48 | 1.948 | -0.102 | 40 | = | BENSON BOONE | In The Stars | 899 | -4 | 46 | -12 | 0.960 | -0.021 | 41 | +1 | ZAYN | Love Like This | 878 | +139 | 875 | +136 | 2.032 | +0.188 | 42 | -1 | FALL OUT BOY | We Didn't Start The Fire | 803 | +21 | 92 | -5 | 2.309 | +0.014 | 43 | = | KYLIE MINOGUE | Padam Padam | 728 | +28 | 154 | +6 | 1.060 | +0.072 | 44 | = | SMITH | Lemon | 711 | +16 | 100 | +6 | 0.490 | +0.008 | 45 | +2 | TAYLOR SWIFT | I Can See You (Taylor's Ver.) | 674 | +36 | 276 | +8 | 1.453 | +0.077 | 46 | = | TXT X JONAS BROTHERS | Do It Like That | 658 | -2 | 144 | -9 | 0.636 | -0.018 | 47 | +1 | WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS | MIND YOUR BUSINESS | 608 | +76 | 608 | +76 | 1.212 | +0.092 | 48 | -3 | RITA ORA | Praising You f/Fatboy Slim | 605 | -63 | -588 | +122 | 1.088 | -0.053 | 49 | = | P1HARMONY | Jump | 555 | +23 | 150 | -9 | 0.441 | +0.031 | 50 | = | NOAH KAHAN | Dial Drunk | 480 | +84 | 357 | +46 | 0.613 | +0.176 |
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