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Post by kingofpain on Feb 16, 2012 15:23:10 GMT -5
That's weird... I thought this song was finally starting to pick up traction at radio?
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Post by allow that on Feb 16, 2012 15:23:41 GMT -5
Oh, so if a song has charted on the Hot 100 it can't appear on Bubbling Under anymore? Correct. |
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 16, 2012 15:27:30 GMT -5
It's *always* been like that IIRC
7 15 Cupid's Chokehold GYM CLASS HEROES featuring PATRICK STUMP
And they're still around without any album success
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Post by Rodze on Feb 16, 2012 15:37:28 GMT -5
Yeah, ignorance on my part. I just didn't know its rules.
As for Katy, I (or no one else) was not trying to say she was robbed of anything. I just going on the hypothetical situation without the new rules, but I see it's not really possible to know because of all that's been exposed.
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 16, 2012 16:02:55 GMT -5
I also hate One Sweet Day, but Missing is quite possibly my favorite song ever... I will say that top ten is remarkably accurate as a time capsule of that era. "Wrong" > "Missing". The lyrics connect to me more than "Missing". But everything EBTG / Tracey Thorn related is great. Coincidentally enough, I was just listening to "Wrong" today on my i-pod lol |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 16, 2012 16:11:25 GMT -5
I don't like the new rule. It isn't fair.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 16, 2012 16:57:51 GMT -5
I don't like the new rule. It isn't fair. Unfortunately, Billboard is not published mainly for music fans. Radio, retail and labels is their audience. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 16, 2012 17:42:25 GMT -5
I wonder, with this new rule, there would the campaign for some huge #2 hits to hit #1 like Bad Romance and Since U Been Gone or pre 1998 airplay hits like Don't Speak and Iris. Just release some new remix to help a bit.  It's pretty obvious that if Lady GaGa (God forbid) were to die in the next 5-10 years. Bad Romance will get that #1 peak. If she did...you dont know that who says Bad romance would be her song to get the biggest boost, just dance, poker face, or born this way could all have a shot to beat it, and it would be prevented from hitting number one |
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 16, 2012 17:51:15 GMT -5
Really wish Katy debuted at 100 and jumped to number one, and would forever hold that record
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 16, 2012 17:59:10 GMT -5
This is so stupid all the fans of certain divas wanting to get higher chart peaks for their old singles. I think everyone is just joking with those posts. |
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 16, 2012 18:02:34 GMT -5
I don't see biggest jump to number 1 to be a very important record. The fact that a few chart points decided whether POM would debut this week or not just goes to show what an arbitrary record it is. I think debuting at number 1 is much more impressive, even if many songs have already accomplished that feat.
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 16, 2012 18:03:26 GMT -5
Thank you for the "Into the Groove" acknowledgement, ry4n.  No. 1 would have been a good possibility, but most definitely top 10 (and top 5) if Billboard charted the 12-inch as it did on the R&B chart. If only "Into The Groove" could chart :'( That's probably my fav Madge track. |
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 16, 2012 18:03:50 GMT -5
OMG Katy came SO close to debuting at #100. She could've broken the record :( Bubbling Under: 01 NE 01 Part Of Me, Katy Perry 02 09 03 Magic, Future Featuring T.I. 03 NE 01 The Scientist, Willie Nelson 04 17 02 Sex Ain't Better Than Love, Trey Songz 05 10 02 Bad Girls, M.I.A. 06 NE 01 Time Of Your Life, Kid Ink 07 02 04 Bully, Shinedown 08 14 16 Stay, Tyrese 09 25 03 UP!, LoveRance Featuring IamSu & Skipper or 50 Cent 10 NE 01 Banjo, Rascal Flatts 11 19 06 These Days, Foo Fighters 12 18 24 Cinema, Benny Benassi Featuring Gary Go 13 RE 05 Bangarang, Skrillex Featuring Sirah 14 NE 01 Middle Finger, Cobra Starship Featuring Mac Miller 15 NE 01 Ayy Ladies, Travis Porter Featuring Tyga 16 NE 01 Endless Love, Lionel Richie Featuring Shania Twain 17 16 13 Face To The Floor, Chevelle 18 NE 01 Turn Up The Music, Chris Brown 19 22 05 Intentalo, 3BallMTY Featuring El Bebeto y America Sierra 20 20 10 Midnight City, M83. 21 23 03 Where I Belong, Building 429 22 RE 02 Thank You, Estelle 23 NE 01 Lovumba (Prestige), Daddy Yankee 24 NE 01 Fly Over States, Jason Aldean 25 NE 01 Runaway Baby, Bruno Mars I thought #1 on the bubbling under chart doesn't = #101 on the hot 100. Hence why they are separate charts? |
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Post by kingofpain on Feb 16, 2012 18:10:40 GMT -5
So what's the gap between #100 on the Hot 100 and #1 on the Bubbling Under chart?
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Post by icefire9 on Feb 16, 2012 18:18:55 GMT -5
I wonder, has a song ever jumped from #1 on the bubbling under chart to #1 on the Hot 100 before?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 18:21:01 GMT -5
I think those 2 Britney songs both bubbled under before debuting at #1 on the Hot 100 the following week. Not sure at what position though.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 16, 2012 18:23:41 GMT -5
I don't like the new rule. It isn't fair. Unfortunately, Billboard is not published mainly for music fans. Radio, retail and labels is their audience. While I used to agree with that - the fact that they changed the album charts to allow catalog titles (when they were a comprehensive chart) and now for WH (when there is digital songs charts) - those would be beneficial to radio, retail and labels. These changes are clearly aimed at the publicity. There was an uproar with MJ and if IWALY wasn't on the charts, the same outrage by the public. It funny how Billboard is ALWAYS behind the curve - no 12" singles on Hot100; songs could only chart if in Top 75; the whole no commercial single issue; not to mention for years - sales counted from all genres, but not airplay until 1998, etc. I just look at the components - sales; airplay. I pay little heed to Billboard chart games. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 16, 2012 18:24:18 GMT -5
I wonder, has a song ever jumped from #1 on the bubbling under chart to #1 on the Hot 100 before? many times. I think Mariah has done it. Touch My Body? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 18:27:20 GMT -5
Touch My Body didn't debut at #1. It bobbled around the #15-20 range for a few weeks before they finally released it digitally.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Feb 16, 2012 18:31:21 GMT -5
So what's the gap between #100 on the Hot 100 and #1 on the Bubbling Under chart? Any song that's fallen off the Hot 100 could potentially be in that "gap" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 18:48:12 GMT -5
Really wish Katy debuted at 100 and jumped to number one, and would forever hold that record Instead she's going to have to settle with debuting at #1. Poor her.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 22:19:23 GMT -5
Biggest jump to #1 is cute but if any record highlights how trivial the concept of record holding can be, it is that one. It's really just the next best thing to outright debuting at #1, and yet some people would rather Katy have the next best thing b/c it's another stat someone can put her name next to and make her look more ~special~. I don't like the new rule. It isn't fair. Unfortunately, Billboard is not published mainly for music fans. Radio, retail and labels is their audience. Who said he was just being a "fan" when he said that? (Of note, I know his faves and neither of them are currently affected by these changes, in fact one of them could actually benefit from it if the change extended to holiday releases. So I have no reason to believe he's speaking from a 'fan' POV when he makes this statement.) For that matter, who said you have to be only a fan to think this rule isn't fair? Radio PDs, retail managers, and label execs can have dissenting opinions too. If IWALY were selling enough to block Katy from a #1 debut I guarantee you Capitol wouldn't think it was fair. They just lucked out and now they don't have to worry about it. And goodness knows how many Capitol execs screamed the equivalent of a temper tantrum "IT'S NOT FAIR!" when Billboard decided Katy's re-release chart peaks would not count with her original run. I actually do not have a problem with either of the new rules BB has implemented recently; I however am not entirely pleased with the way they have decided to make and announce those rules. Everything has felt very last minute and more motivated by BB's own reactionary stanning (in Whitney's case) or hateration and shade (in Katy's case) rather than a genuine assessment of the state of the industry. Both situations had precedents that occurred years before and it's absurd that they waited until just now to do something about it. In short, I expect better organization from what is supposed to be the premier unbiased publication "bible" of the music industry. Like others have pointed out, they should be doing a monthly or yearly review of their rules, making changes as they see fit and then announcing any rule changes when they make them - and giving at least a week's notice before putting changes into effect. Though I have no problem with the new Hot 100 rule, I still find it a bit lacking in what I would want to see. I wish the Hot 100 mirrored the BB 200 in that it had a 'currents' chart and a 'comprehensive' one, while keeping the same sales+airplay ratio. I think both charts would be popular and useful enough to warrant their existence. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Feb 17, 2012 0:32:35 GMT -5
An Idolator estimate for the chart the week MJ died.
1. Black Eyed Peas, “I Gotta Feeling”
2. Black Eyed Peas, “Boom Boom Pow”
3. Drake, “Best I Ever Had”
4. Keri Hilson feat. Kanye West & Ne-Yo, “Knock You Down”
5. Michael Jackson, “Man in the Mirror”
6. Lady GaGa, “LoveGame”
7. Pitbull, “I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)”
8. Sean Kingston, “Fire Burning”
9. Michael Jackson, “Thriller”
10. Jeremih, “Birthday Sex”
11. Michael Jackson, “Billie Jean”
12. Michael Jackson, “The Way You Make Me Feel”
13. Linkin Park, “New Divide”
14. Katy Perry, “Waking Up in Vegas”
15. Taylor Swift, “You Belong with Me”
16. Michael Jackson, “Beat It”
17. 3OH!3, “Don’t Trust Me”
18. Shinedown, “Second Chance”
19. Beyonce, “Halo”
20. Lady GaGa, “Poker Face”
21. Michael Jackson, “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough”
22. Young Money, “Every Girl”
23. Michael Jackson, “Rock With You”
24. Michael Jackson, “Smooth Criminal”
25. Michael Jackson, “Black or White”
26. Michael Jackson, “P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)”
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Post by kingofpain on Feb 17, 2012 13:30:38 GMT -5
That makes sense... I guess anything that fell off the Hot 100 could separate the two. In reality, Katy Perry could have been #106 if the chart had extended that far...
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 17, 2012 13:38:43 GMT -5
That's weird... I thought this song was finally starting to pick up traction at radio? It slowly is, but it's been on the Hot 100 for over 20 weeks and was below #50 thanks to rule that allowed Whitney on the chart. Had Whitney not been allowed to chart, Colbie would've most likely still be above #50 and charting. But, Colbie can re-enter next week or the week after if she's high enough. |
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Post by Rodze on Feb 17, 2012 15:05:20 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-whitney-houston-madonna-1006220562.storyWHITNEY HELPED KELLY HOLD OFF KATY: Katy Perry's "Part of Me" just misses this week's Hot 100, debuting atop the chart's Bubbling Under survey. With "Part," the first single from Perry's "Teenage Dream" reissue, "The Complete Confection," projected to sell north of 400,000 downloads by the end of the current tracking period, the song is in line for a possible No. 1 bow on next week's Hot 100. Had three of Houston's songs not re-entered this week's chart, as astute billboard.com reader kwall91 commented, "Part" would've debuted at No. 98 based on early sales and its first two days airplay (15 million audience impressions on 160 stations, according to Nielsen BDS). Or, had only one or two Houston titles re-entered, "Part" would've started at No. 99 or 100. Why is that significant? Had the song begun at either Nos. 98, 99 or 100 - and if it vaults to No. 1 next week - it would've passed Kelly Clarkson's "My Life Would Suck Without You" for the largest leap to the Hot 100 pinnacle. "Suck" soared 97-1 the week of Feb. 7, 2009. Instead, Perry may have to "settle" for a No. 1 bow. If "Part" does debut at No. 1, it will mark only the 20th title to launch atop the Hot 100 and the first since Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" bowed at No. 1 - as the chart's 1,000th leader all-time - the week of Feb. 26, 2011.
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Post by allow that on Feb 17, 2012 15:59:05 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/#/column/chartbeat/weekly-chart-notes-whitney-houston-madonna-1006220562.storyWHITNEY HELPED KELLY HOLD OFF KATY: Katy Perry's "Part of Me" just misses this week's Hot 100, debuting atop the chart's Bubbling Under survey. With "Part," the first single from Perry's "Teenage Dream" reissue, "The Complete Confection," projected to sell north of 400,000 downloads by the end of the current tracking period, the song is in line for a possible No. 1 bow on next week's Hot 100. Had three of Houston's songs not re-entered this week's chart, as astute billboard.com reader kwall91 commented, "Part" would've debuted at No. 98 based on early sales and its first two days airplay (15 million audience impressions on 160 stations, according to Nielsen BDS). Or, had only one or two Houston titles re-entered, "Part" would've started at No. 99 or 100. Why is that significant? Had the song begun at either Nos. 98, 99 or 100 - and if it vaults to No. 1 next week - it would've passed Kelly Clarkson's "My Life Would Suck Without You" for the largest leap to the Hot 100 pinnacle. "Suck" soared 97-1 the week of Feb. 7, 2009. Instead, Perry may have to "settle" for a No. 1 bow. If "Part" does debut at No. 1, it will mark only the 20th title to launch atop the Hot 100 and the first since Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" bowed at No. 1 - as the chart's 1,000th leader all-time - the week of Feb. 26, 2011. LOL. Billboard is ignoring its other rules. They didn't bring up the issue of Pitbull or Colbie going recurrent or the possibility that a song from last week's chart fell in the gap of #100 and #1 Bubbling Under. |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 17, 2012 16:07:41 GMT -5
Idolator's estimates are wrong about where those MJ tracks would have fallen. "Billie Jean" was the #1 song on Hot 100 Recurrent Chart that week.
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Post by Rodze on Feb 17, 2012 16:24:37 GMT -5
LOL. Billboard is ignoring its other rules. They didn't bring up the issue of Pitbull or Colbie going recurrent or the possibility that a song from last week's chart fell in the gap of #100 and #1 Bubbling Under. Yep. I posted more for the 400k prediction for "Part of Me". |
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Post by brucelover on Feb 17, 2012 18:26:47 GMT -5
Billboard is such a mess SMH
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