Hot 100 Re-entries

[Gary]

#31 Thriller, Michael Jackson 2018-11-10 chart

[rockgolf]

But not Monster Mash or Ghostbusters! I'm a little surprised.

[Gary]

Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' Returns to Hot 100, Thanks to Halloween Gains

11/6/2018 by Xander Zellner


The track reaches its highest mark since 1984.

Michael Jackson's horror pop classic "Thriller" re-enters the Billboard Hot 100 at No. 31, thanks to its annual Halloween gains.

"Thriller" returns with 15,000 downloads sold, surging by 189 percent from the prior week, and 15.2 million U.S. streams, up 198 percent, in the week ending Nov. 1, according to Nielsen Music. The gains also help the song re-enter both the Digital Song Sales and Streaming Songs charts at Nos. 11 and 30, respectively.

"Thriller" peaked at No. 4 on the Hot 100 on March 3, 1984, and has returned to the Hot 100 thrice before during this decade. With its No. 31 re-entry, the track reaches its highest point since April 7, 1984, when it stood at No. 23.

(How is an over 30-year-old single eligible for the Hot 100, which ranks, almost exclusively, current hits via a blend of streaming, airplay and sales data? Songs not in a current release cycle can re-enter if they log notable gains in chart metrics and rank in the top 50.)



Further, Jackson's iconic Thriller LP earns Greatest Gainer honors on the Billboard 200 albums chart, as it vaults from No. 102 to No. 42 (up 83 percent to 14,000 equivalent album units), also thanks to Halloween gains.

In the 62-year history of the Billboard 200, only the West Side Story soundtrack has spent more weeks at No. 1 (54) than Thriller. Jackson's signature set ranks at No. 3 on Billboard's Greatest of All-Time Billboard 200 Albums recap, behind only Adele's 21 and The Sound of Music soundtrack.

[Gary]

Bump for a possible Queen re-entry

[Gary]

To repeat what I have on the first post:

The four songs to hit the top 10 twice (pre 2012)

The Twist
Monster Mash
Stand By Me
Bohemian Rhapsody

*Breaking Up Is Hard To Do, did it as well but in two different versions.

Post 2012 we have
I Will Always Love You
Purple Rain
When Doves Cry

[rockgolf]

Nov 12, 2018 11:13:48 GMT -5 Gary said:

Bump for a possible Queen re-entry

I'd be delighted if BoRhap recharted. It would be enough to push it into the all-time top 100 on my chart. But how likely is that happen, given even Respect didn't rechart after Aretha died?

[tanooki]

Nov 12, 2018 11:44:29 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:13:48 GMT -5 Gary said:

Bump for a possible Queen re-entry

I'd be delighted if BoRhap recharted. It would be enough to push it into the all-time top 100 on my chart. But how likely is that happen, given even Respect didn't rechart after Aretha died?

Simon has it returning at 33 with 106 points

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^It'd be great if it could re-enter the Hot 100 42 years after its first chart run.

[rockgolf]

I get the feeling that Billboard greatly discounts or ignores re-entries when it compiles its all-time charts. Even when adjusting each run's points for the year of each stream, I think the following songs that charted in more than one non-consecutive year should be in or near the top 600:

• #1 The Twist / Chubby Checker (60/62)
  
• #15 Whitney Houston / I Will Always Love You (92 / 12)
  
• #31 The 4 Seasons / December 1963 (Oh, What A Night) (76 / 94)
  
• #37 Bobby "Boris" Pickett / Monster Mash (62 / 73)
  
• #59 Ben E. King / Stand By Me (61 / 86)
  
• #93 The Surfaris / Wipe Out (63 /66)
  
• #103 Queen / Bohemian Rhapsody (76 / 92)

Others that should have made the top 600 based on multiple runs: #137 Righteous Brothers / Unchained Melody (original recording only); #226 Do You Love Me / The Contours ;  #261 Twist & Shout / The Beatles

[HolidayGuy]

For older songs (especially pre-1992), re-entries in this era nowadays wouldn't have as much weight as the eras in which they first charted, per Billboad's all-time-charts methodology.

[WILL]

Assume Bohemian Rhapsody gets 2-3 weeks in the top 50 thanks to the movie release, will that put it back in the top 100 all-time songs?

[Gary]

Nov 12, 2018 14:52:49 GMT -5 WILL said:

Assume Bohemian Rhapsody gets 2-3 weeks in the top 50 thanks to the movie release, will that put it back in the top 100 all-time songs?

Doubtful.  The 60th anniversary list has it at #517

[WILL]

Nov 12, 2018 14:57:13 GMT -5 Gary said:

Nov 12, 2018 14:52:49 GMT -5 WILL said:

Assume Bohemian Rhapsody gets 2-3 weeks in the top 50 thanks to the movie release, will that put it back in the top 100 all-time songs?

Doubtful.  The 60th anniversary list has it at #517

Oh geez, I quickly read rockgolf's post and assumed it was at #103. My mistake.

[Gary]

He has his own system

[rockgolf]

Nov 12, 2018 14:52:49 GMT -5 WILL said:

Assume Bohemian Rhapsody gets 2-3 weeks in the top 50 thanks to the movie release, will that put it back in the top 100 all-time songs?

Under my scoring, a single week in the top 40 might push it into the top 100. I think the Billboard all-time system greatly underestimates the total points of re-entered songs. You can see the top 300 on my list here. I had no agenda in mind when I created the list other than accuracy, and didn't adjust the algorithm other than to try to match the top 100 on the Billboard list as closely as I could at the top.

Not to brag, but there have been times when I've identified errors previously on Billboard all-time lists (well at least one, but it was a biggie) and they've acknowledged it. (And okay, it is bragging.)

[rockgolf]

It's (semi-)official! Bohemian Rhapsody has re-entered the Hot 100 at #33. 

Has there ever been a non-holiday song that has made the Hot 100 in 3 different decades (1970s, 1990s, 2010s)? And without any re-recording! I can't think of one.

[renfield75]

Nov 13, 2018 8:31:48 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

It's (semi-)official! Bohemian Rhapsody has re-entered the Hot 100 at #33. 

Has there ever been a non-holiday song that has made the Hot 100 in 3 different decades (1970s, 1990s, 2010s)? And without any re-recording! I can't think of one.

Prince's "1999". It had two chart runs in the 80s (peaking at #s 44 and 12) then spent a week at #40 in January 1999 (obvious reason why). It then re-charted and peaked at #27 after his death in 2016. That's four distinct chart runs in three different decades!

[Gary]

Yeah forgot about that.

The 1999 charting was powered by the release of a special CD single

[rockgolf]

At some point, all great pop stars will die. When they do, I wonder which of these acts' many songs (if any) will end up re-charting:

• Paul McCartney
• Elton John
• Madonna
• Mick Jagger

[renfield75]

Nov 13, 2018 15:28:08 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yeah forgot about that.

The 1999 charting was powered by the release of a special CD single

Yeah, this was before Billboard allowed unpromoted old singles to chart (like after a passing or holiday). Prince released an EP of rerecorded versions of "1999" but it was the original that was rereleased by Warner Bros and charted in its titular year.

[rockgolf]

Nov 13, 2018 15:32:10 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:28:08 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yeah forgot about that.

The 1999 charting was powered by the release of a special CD single

Yeah, this was before Billboard allowed unpromoted old singles to chart (like after a passing or holiday). Prince released an EP of rerecorded versions of "1999" but it was the original that was rereleased by Warner Bros and charted in its titular year.

As I recall, His Royal Purpleness wasn't exactly pleased.

[renfield75]

Nov 13, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

At some point, all great pop stars will die. When they do, I wonder which of these acts' many songs (if any) will end up re-charting:

• Paul McCartney
• Elton John
• Madonna
• Mick Jagger

This is morbid, but some co-workers and I were discussing which song would be the biggest after currently-living artists die. McCartney I think will be a Beatles song (Yesterday or Let It Be), Elton John I think will be Tiny Dancer (which ironically never even made the Top 40 the first time around), Madonna probably Like A Prayer, and Mick will probably be Satisfaction or Gimme Shelter. Death tends to favor more somber songs, so I think the more reflective songs will often have the edge. Billy Joel would be Piano Man. Stevie Wonder was a little harder to get a consensus on. Superstition maybe? Sir Duke? My Cherie Amor?

Again, I know it's morbid, but we're chart watchers and these are the kinds of trivial things we think about. But of course I hope all these artists have many, many more years with us!

[renfield75]

Nov 13, 2018 15:34:28 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:32:10 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Yeah, this was before Billboard allowed unpromoted old singles to chart (like after a passing or holiday). Prince released an EP of rerecorded versions of "1999" but it was the original that was rereleased by Warner Bros and charted in its titular year.

As I recall, His Royal Purpleness wasn't exactly pleased.

No, that was during the time he was using the symbol and battling Warners. He hated looking back, and didn't like the old recording eclipsing his new version.

[tanooki]

Nov 13, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

At some point, all great pop stars will die. When they do, I wonder which of these acts' many songs (if any) will end up re-charting:

• Paul McCartney
• Elton John
• Madonna
• Mick Jagger

All will have massive re-entries if they die but they aren't allowed to so

[renfield75]

Nov 13, 2018 17:27:30 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

At some point, all great pop stars will die. When they do, I wonder which of these acts' many songs (if any) will end up re-charting:

• Paul McCartney
• Elton John
• Madonna
• Mick Jagger

All will have massive re-entries if they die but they aren't allowed to so

It would be awesome if they never did

[rockgolf]

Nov 13, 2018 21:05:38 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Nov 13, 2018 17:27:30 GMT -5 tanooki said:

All will have massive re-entries if they die but they aren't allowed to so

It would be awesome if they never did

Radio in the year 2503: "That was Madonna with 'Die Another Millennium', and before that we heard Elton John with "No One Save My Life Tonight. Up next, the latest from Paul McCartney, 'When I'm 640'."

[Gary]

Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody' Makes Rare Third Visit to Billboard Hot 100

11/13/2018 by Gary Trust



The classic joins the likes of Prince's "1999," which has also charted in three decades.

Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" has been a rock classic for over 40 years. Now it adds a rare chart honor on the Billboard Hot 100.

Following the Nov. 2 premiere of the new Bohemian Rhapsody biopic about the band and its late frontman Freddie Mercury, "Rhapsody" re-enters the Hot 100 (dated Nov. 17) at No. 33, as it blasts 36-5 on Digital Song Sales, up 236 percent to 24,000 sold, and returns to Streaming Songs at No. 41, surging by 77 percent to 13.3 million U.S. streams, according to Nielsen Music.

As previously reported, the Bohemian Rhapsody soundtrack vaults 25-3 on the Billboard 200, becoming the band's highest-charting album in 38 years.

"Rhapsody" makes its third visit to the Hot 100 and first since 1992, when it returned amid the success of another film, Wayne's World, and peaked at No. 2. The song originally reached No. 9 in 1976.

The track's three separate Hot 100 runs in three different decades, all including trips to the top 40, is extremely rare, but not unprecedented. As noted by Paul Haney of Joel Whitburn's Record Research, Prince's "1999" has logged four distinct chart cycles in three decades.

"1999" arrived on the Hot 100 in October 1982 and rose to No. 44 that December. After almost five months off the chart, as follow-up "Little Red Corvette" zoomed to No. 6 in May 1983, becoming Prince's first top 10, "1999" re-entered that June and hit its No. 12 high that July. In January 1999, the song returned for a week at No. 40, as people partied not just like it was 1999, but because it finally actually was. Most recently, "1999" spent two weeks on the chart, rising to No. 27, in May 2016 following Prince's death that April.

Beyond those enduring smashes by musical kings Queen and Prince, certain Christmas songs have charted on the Hot 100 in at least three widely spaced campaigns, along with such Halloween-themed hits as Michael Jackson's "Thriller." First rising to No. 4 in 1984, it made its latest visit this year, reaching No. 31, its highest rank since its original run; notably, chart rules put in place this decade have made it easier for decades-old songs to re-enter the Hot 100 with multi-metric gains and if ranking in the chart's top 50.

[Gary]

Bohemian Rhapsody and 1999 are the only two songs in history to chart at least three times that were not aided by a holiday

[rockgolf]

Nov 14, 2018 15:28:49 GMT -5 Gary said:

Bohemian Rhapsody and 1999 are the only two songs in history to chart at least three times that were not aided by a holiday

It would appear the trick is to be named after a member of the royal family. 

[HolidayGuy]

^Or, be linked to a high-profile/successful film release, and be tied to the start of a new century and pass on.