Billboard Hot 100: 03/24/12

[badrobot]

Mar 15, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

But Billboard has a Youtube Songs chart though (it's included in the magazine), so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I didn't realize that. Hm. Are you sure it's not just tracking Vevo-based YouTube songs?

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

I don't like the new formula.

People can easily manipulate that side of the formula(the On Demand part), as oppose to sales and airplay.

[HolidayGuy]

As reference: When BB added streaming data to the Hot 100 in August 2007, the basic ratio for the chart became 55% airplay, 40% sales (dividing the sales by 10, rather than 5 as it had been doing since February 2005) and 5% streaming/on-demand.

NOTE: the ratios that Billboard uses, in terms of percentages, always has referred to the chart's overall points, not individual tracks.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Mar 14, 2012 14:05:06 GMT -5 Rodze said:

That's what I want to know, with the new formula.


I think someone mentioned how much points streaming was worth before, but I can't really remember. However much it was, it has changed now, anyway.

Mar 14, 2012 14:02:47 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

1 sale = 1000 listeners = X passive streams = (1/2)X On demand streams

What is X?

Billboard said they changed the sales/radio ratio, so 1 sale may not be worth 1000 radio listeners anymore.

The part about streams is right, I imagine. But again, we don't know what that X is.

Help Anyone?

[neverduplicated]

I don't see why anyone would be upset about this new rule change. If anything, the new methodology will more accurately reflect what music is popular at the moment. This is 2012, people - the internet plays a huge role in how people are listening to the music they want to hear. I'm just surprised it took Billboard this long.

[pnobelysk]

I wish girl gone wild and take a hint got the typical monday/tuesday releases, they prbly couldve made the hot 100 then

[Deleted]

How quickly people forget that early charts tracked Jukebox plays. What people listen to does matter, regardless of what manner they are listening it through as long as it's something that involves an exchange of commerce. (I.E. Jukeboxes cost money for plays; Physical and Digital singles/albums cost money to purchase; Streaming has money from subscriptions involved/advertisements; Radio play has advertisers that pay which keeps the station afloat; but singing in the shower does not involve commerce, and thus the comparison to that is reaching and highly uneducated.)

[forg]

Shake It Out and Lonely Boy rebounded!

[Deleted]

Mar 15, 2012 11:37:09 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Mar 15, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

But Billboard has a Youtube Songs chart though (it's included in the magazine), so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I didn't realize that. Hm. Are you sure it's not just tracking Vevo-based YouTube songs?

Probably. People forget if it's not uploaded by the label, it's pirated music. Billboard is not about to count that.

[imbondz]

does anyone have a link to Chart Beat Chat or did Billboard do away with that column?

[HolidayGuy]

There is Chart Beat, where Billboard pretty much posts all chart-/sales-related articles:
www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat

Ask Billboard took the place of the "Chat," didn't it?

[Au$tin]

Mar 15, 2012 11:37:09 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Mar 15, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

But Billboard has a Youtube Songs chart though (it's included in the magazine), so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

I didn't realize that. Hm. Are you sure it's not just tracking Vevo-based YouTube songs?

I'm pretty sure it's all Vevo accounts as well as any official label/artist YouTube account.

For example, Fueled By Ramen's YouTube channel all counts, but say an upload of a Paramore video that isn't through Fueled By Ramen won't be.

Mar 15, 2012 13:06:37 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I don't like the new formula.

People can easily manipulate that side of the formula(the On Demand part), as oppose to sales and airplay.

Not really. Definitely back when it started, but not now. There's simply so many people who use those types of music services that no one person (or small group of people) can manipulate it very well. Plus, most of those sites have limits to how much you can listen to a track/artist.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Mar 15, 2012 21:46:21 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 15, 2012 11:37:09 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I didn't realize that. Hm. Are you sure it's not just tracking Vevo-based YouTube songs?

I'm pretty sure it's all Vevo accounts as well as any official label/artist YouTube account.

For example, Fueled By Ramen's YouTube channel all counts, but say an upload of a Paramore video that isn't through Fueled By Ramen won't be.

Mar 15, 2012 13:06:37 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I don't like the new formula.

People can easily manipulate that side of the formula(the On Demand part), as oppose to sales and airplay.

Not really. Definitely back when it started, but not now. There's simply so many people who use those types of music services that no one person (or small group of people) can manipulate it very well. Plus, most of those sites have limits to how much you can listen to a track/artist.

I'm not sure why they are arbitrarily limiting people's choice.

[SPRΞΞ]

airplay is the biggest phony of the bunch. I don't see why that is not the one in question.

[Joe1240]

39 48 45 18 Ours, Taylor Swift 13
60 69 70 9 Safe & Sound, Taylor Swift Featuring The Civil Wars 30

Nice to see both Taylor songs move up this week on the chart. :)

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Mar 16, 2012 0:48:10 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

airplay is the biggest phony of the bunch. I don't see why that is not the one in question.

When it comes to the radio programmers, yes. But not the listeners.

I don't question that one cause we really have no control over what they want to play. I know one can request for songs, etc. but you know they end up playing whatever the hell they want.

[HolidayGuy]

Well, if a track is long-lasting sustainable hit, then that comes with good listener interest/feedback. Radio is not going to play a track for weeks upon weeks if listeners do not like it.

[Verisimilitude]

Mar 16, 2012 8:41:49 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Well, if a track is long-lasting sustainable hit, then that comes with good listener interest/feedback. Radio is not going to play a track for weeks upon weeks if listeners do not like it.

Let's not forget this little factor too:



;)

[HolidayGuy]

Nonetheless, usually the songs that go on to become decent radio hits are liked by the general listening/buying public, no?

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2012 8:46:04 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Nonetheless, usually the songs that go on to become decent radio hits are liked by the general listening/buying public, no?

Yeah. People wouldn't listen to the radio if they hated what they were hearing. Every now and then a song becomes a big radio hit and doesn't become a big sales hit or a song becomes a big sales hit but not a big radio hit, but that's not extremely common. Aside from Glee songs for obvious reasons, it's not like songs are becoming big sales hits and getting completely ignored by radio. People love to cite Madonna's "Hung Up" as an example. It went #1 in sales, but it still made Top 20 at pop radio and it was nothing like what pop radio was playing at the time. Radio is a business. They're not going to be playing songs the listeners don't want to hear. That doesn't make sense.

[Deleted]

But since Hung Up did go #1 in sales, then wouldn't that mean that people did want to hear it?

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2012 10:42:12 GMT -5 @gagalicious said:

But since Hung Up did go #1 in sales, then wouldn't that mean that people did want to hear it?

My point is that it still became a Top 20 pop hit. Radio may not have responded by sending it to the top of the pop charts but it's unlikely an ABBA-sampling song by a woman in her mid-40s would have gone Top 20 at hip-hop dominated 2005 pop radio otherwise.

[Deleted]

Yeah I get that, but my point is that radio decided to keep playing to death a genre that didn't sell very well digitally. They're slow to catch on to new things.

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2012 10:55:16 GMT -5 @gagalicious said:

Yeah I get that, but my point is that radio decided to keep playing to death a genre that didn't sell very well digitally. They're slow to catch on to new things.

I wouldn't say that. There were plenty of big rap hits back then that were selling well digitally (not to mention how much smaller the digital market was back in 2005 than it is now). R&B has never really sold well digitally, but these R&B artists were moving albums. Mary J. Blige's "Be Without You" was a massive airplay hit that never went Top 10 in sales, but meanwhile, the accompanying album debuted with 730k in its first week and went on to go 3x Platinum. It's difficult to argue people didn't want to hear the song just because it wasn't selling well digitally.

There's not always this direct correlation between sales and airplay, but radio isn't just blindly playing whatever they want. I have a lot of issues with radio and I don't listen to the radio, but it's still a business and they're not going to lose advertising dollars by playing music that's going to make people tune out.

[Enigma.]

And people can always choose whether to buy the single or (wait for) the album

And they always have.

[SPRΞΞ]

Mar 16, 2012 8:32:55 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Mar 16, 2012 0:48:10 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

airplay is the biggest phony of the bunch. I don't see why that is not the one in question.

When it comes to the radio programmers, yes. But not the listeners.

I don't question that one cause we really have no control over what they want to play. I know one can request for songs, etc. but you know they end up playing whatever the hell they want.

which is exactly my point.