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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 14:31:03 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has noticed yet but one of our topics in the Music News forum was removed a week ago. That followed a warning from ProBoards that they had been contacted by a representative from Soundscan who saw the topic had been gathering information that is technically owned by Soundscan and thus considered to be copyright. ProBoards or Pulse does not have permission to gather and post this information and thus it is against rules and regulations to have it. The Rules have been updated to include this in addition to our previous stance on mp3s. Therefore, posting data from Soundscan is now against Pulse rules and will be taken seriously. Data from soundscan will only allowed to be discussed if it is directly given from a source. The source MUST be a reputable one and NOT from a blog or another message board. This means ukmix, for example, cannot be given as a source but an article posted on a site like Billboard can. Also, direct links to outside sources that gather Soundscan information will not be allowed either, unless it is legal. This will be treated the same way as a link to an illegally posted mp3 website. Anyone who doesn't follow the above guidelines will be warned with the possibility of a suspension or permanent ban. Just like our rule regarding mp3s, this is something that will be taken seriously because it not only risks yourselves but also the continuation of Pulse. |
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Post by forg on Jun 7, 2012 19:32:55 GMT -5
Aww that's sad I get it but still disappointed :(
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Post by lugus15 on Jun 7, 2012 22:23:57 GMT -5
Sad news.
The sad part is that this board will become deserted. I for one am emigrating to other music boards.
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Post by WotUNeed on Jun 7, 2012 22:27:15 GMT -5
Can't we make Pulse private where you have to log in to view the forum? Wouldn't change anything. Violating copyright law is still a violation of the Proboards TOS and would leave us subject to discipline from them and prosecution by the infringed upon parties. Nothing posted to the Internet is truly private. Don't think I don't understand why not being privy to SoundScan data sucks at a chart discussion site, but unless someone has the disposable funds to buy Pulse its own subscription, we're going to have to respect Nielsen's (and any other entity's) rights. |
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Post by slicknickshady on Jun 7, 2012 22:39:12 GMT -5
I love one Lee Dewyze song! haha. "Beautiful Like You". It does well on a local christian station i listen to. lol.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 8, 2012 4:06:35 GMT -5
ukmix is not private. Anyone one of us can easily go over there to check stats. However, i wonder if they got the notice, too?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 8:54:31 GMT -5
^Shhhhhh!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 9:07:15 GMT -5
ukmix is not private. Anyone one of us can easily go over there to check stats. However, i wonder if they got the notice, too? Many of us have an account over there as well. So this is not a big deal. The thread(s) that got zapped here cited ukmix as the source. Those that caught us here likely also know about ukmix too but being an overseas site it might fall outside their jurisdiction. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 9:37:52 GMT -5
5.017 million albums were sold in the US last week.
1.981 million were digital albums.
3.036 million were physical cds.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 10:47:47 GMT -5
Is this okay? keelyskorner.com/2012/06/page/2/SOUNDSCAN (WEEK ENDING 6/3/12) 1) John Mayer – Born And Raised – 65,432 (After 2 weeks – 285,370) 2) Adele – 21 – 57,840 (After 67 weeks – 9,264,442) 3) Regina Spektor – What We Saw From The Cheap Sea – 41,894 Other Debuts 5) Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros – Here – 34,605 7) Sigur Ros – Valtari – 26,340 15) For Today – Immortal – 14,786 16) Travis Porter – From Day 1 – 14, 268 23) Rebecca Ferguson heaven – 12,006 27) Johnny Cash – Opus Collection – 10,813 31) Various Artists – Musique Pop De Paris – 10,813 32) Melody Gardot – Absence – 10,329 34) Scissor Sisters – Magic Hour – 9,974 |
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Post by microcuts on Jun 8, 2012 11:56:28 GMT -5
For what it's worth, it seems as though MDNA has completely fallen off the Billboard 200 this week.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jun 8, 2012 12:48:53 GMT -5
Lame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 13:08:30 GMT -5
For what it's worth, it seems as though MDNA has completely fallen off the Billboard 200 this week. It lives on for another week in the TCA chartthough |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 13:12:24 GMT -5
And MDNA will re-enter...
It probably ended up at #202.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 8, 2012 13:58:43 GMT -5
^ Somewhere around there... It's like #156 on Current Albums so it's #215 overall at the lowest.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jun 8, 2012 14:18:37 GMT -5
And MDNA will re-enter... Will it?I can see it stabilizing at around 2k for awhile but it's not like there are any upcoming appearances or radio play to support a resurgence in sales. I don't see the tour helping it either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 14:26:14 GMT -5
It would not only need to stabilize but likely move upward, unless there is a really down week where lots of albums above it fall faster
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 14:27:16 GMT -5
^^The S&S Tour kept Hard Candy on the Billboard 200 so MDNA could re-enter.
A 3rd single/video is planned plus concert redemptions.
BTW, Billboard mentioned a few weeks ago that Linkin Park's new album was being offered with tickets for their upcoming tour.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 8, 2012 15:45:53 GMT -5
^ It seems to becoming more common, even with less "big-name" artists: Regina Spektor's album, which is #3 this week, used the same promotion. I hope her second-week crash is nothing like Madonna's.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 8, 2012 16:09:07 GMT -5
^She did? She cheated! One Direction should sue Billboard! They should be #3, not Regina!
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 8, 2012 16:55:06 GMT -5
^ Haha but if it's not #1, it doesn't matter, right? ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 16:57:30 GMT -5
Fewer people will notice
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 8, 2012 17:03:17 GMT -5
Aw sucks about Soundscan, but all Soundscan info is posted at a million other music boards and sources (Sorry Soundscan!) so I will just migrate there for album sales news.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 8, 2012 17:26:46 GMT -5
Two top seats to Madge's tour in Philadelphia (through Comcast, the designated ticket outlet) are almost $800 with fees/taxes- a lot more than past tours (some of that, of course, coming from the MDNA standard edition that ticket buyers must take action to redeem). Unfortunately, I will be passing on the tour (at least at those prices).
Without the bundling, I do wonder what the trajectory would have been like up until now. I imagine the album would not have opened as high as 358K- maybe around 250K or so. And then the second-week decline may not have been as large. The to-date sales up to now probably would have been similar to what they are now, though. So, in the end, likely similar results. It's just that the sales were insanely front-loaded because of the promotion.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 8, 2012 17:36:01 GMT -5
^ Fully agreed. She'll just keep creaking along to the 500k mark now... All things considered, not actually that terrible.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 9, 2012 8:30:49 GMT -5
^Yah- given that the prior album has scanned around 740,000 and had a decent-sized radio hit. The weekly sales level likely will be lower by the time the tour hits the USA (late August), though maybe the next video will spark a small bump. And, I neglected to mention that it's not only the standard edition that's available via the promotion, but the edited standard version. Also, maybe some will redeem copies after seeing the show, etc.
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Post by Houster on Jun 10, 2012 10:39:10 GMT -5
Just like the music industry shooting itself in the foot when it decided to go nuclear on Napster, and by suing housewives and kids for illegal downloading, Nielsen Soundscan I believe is being pigheaded and shortsighted by asserting its intellectual property rights to sales figures. Or, in other words, I'm pi**ed at Nielsen Soundscan.
Has Nielsen lost a single penny of revenues from subscriptions (which I have read can cost as much as $10,000 per year) because the data has been posted on websites and blogs several days after their subscribers got it? I think not, but maybe I'm wrong.
All that being said, of course ProBoards and Pulse must comply with Soundscan's request, as the consequences of not doing so are draconian.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 11:13:37 GMT -5
Just like the music industry shooting itself in the foot when it decided to go nuclear on Napster, and by suing housewives and kids for illegal downloading, Nielsen Soundscan I believe is being pigheaded and shortsighted by asserting its intellectual property rights to sales figures. Or, in other words, I'm pi**ed at Nielsen Soundscan. Has Nielsen lost a single penny of revenues from subscriptions (which I have read can cost as much as $10,000 per year) because the data has been posted on websites and blogs several days after their subscribers got it? I think not, but maybe I'm wrong. All that being said, of course ProBoards and Pulse must comply with Soundscan's request, as the consequences of not doing so are draconian. Soundscan sells a product that can be as much as 10,000 dollars for a single list. They market to the music industry. For the sake of argument let's say the figure is 10,000 for a subscription (I do not know the exact figure) If Soundscan were to allow their product to be given away for free, would people still be willing to pay 10,000 for it? Likely not This is how they lose money. |
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Post by Rodze on Jun 10, 2012 11:27:13 GMT -5
SoundScan has always done this. You could never post it's sales figures without permission. It's not gonna change anything as far as their business is concerned.
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Post by Rodze on Jun 10, 2012 11:27:38 GMT -5
SoundScan has always done this. You could never post it's sales figures without permission. It's not gonna change anything as far as their business is concerned.
It's sad, but it is what it is.
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