American Top 40 (Hot AC) November 8-9, 2008

[ericNY2002]

40 40 (02) Gavin DeGraw-Cheated On Me
39 39 (03) Staind-Believe
38 --- (01) 3 Doors Down-Let Me By Myself
37 38 (13) Delta Goodrem-In This Life
36 31 (22) Maroon 5/Rihanna-If I Never See Your Face Again
35 37 (05) David Archuleta-Crush
34 34 (08) Puddle of Mudd-We Don't Have To Look Back Now
33 35 (07) Jon McLaughlin-Beating My Heart
AT40 Breakout: David Cook-Light On
32 30 (62) Maroon 5-Wake Up Call
31 33 (54) Timbaland/OneRepublic-Apologize
Optional Extra: Linkin Park-Numb
30 36 (04) Rihanna-Disturbia
29 25 (64) Colbie Caillat-Bubbly
28 24 (15) Metro Station-Shake It
27 28 (51) Buckcherry-Sorry
26 32 (12) Adele-Chasing Pavements
25 29 (18) Seether-Rise Above This
24 23 (59) Sara Bareilles-Love Song
23 21 (38) Colbie Caillat-Realize
AT40 Extra: Saving Abel-Addicted
22 27 (04) Secondhand Serande-Fall For You
21 22 (41) Daughtry-Feels Like Tonight
Optional Extra: Ryan Cabrera-On The Way Down
20 20 (63) Finger Eleven-Paralyzer
19 18 (49) Lifehouse-Whatever It Takes
18 19 (37) OneRepublic-Stop and Stare
17 15 (10) Jordin Sparks-One Step At A Time
16 14 (20) David Cook-The Time of My Life
15 16 (28) Leona Lewis-Bleeding Love
14 11 (25) Natasha Bedingfield-Pocketful of Sunshine
13 17 (03) Katy Perry-Hot N Cold
12 13 (06) Leona Lewis-Better In Time
11 12 (16) Matt Nathanson-Come On Get Higher
Optional Extra: Madonna/Justin Timberlake-4 Minutes
10 08 (29) 3 Doors Down-Its Not My Time
09 07 (21) Kid Rock-All Summer Long
08 09 (11) Lifehouse-Broken
07 10 (03) Nickelback-Gotta Be Somebody
06 06 (08) Pink-So What
05 04 (20) Coldplay-Viva La Vida
04 03 (15) Daughtry-What About Now
03 05 (14) O.A.R.-Shattered (Turn the Car Around)
Optional Extra: Kelly Clarkson-Breakaway
02 02 (24) Gavin Rossdale-Love Remains the Same
01 01 (25) Jason Mraz-Im Yours (4 weeks at #1)

Off the Chart:
Colbie Caillat-The Little Things (From #26, 8 weeks on chart)

[KelownaGuy20]

Good Lord! It's weird to see a solo Rihanna song outside the first quarter of the chart!

[musicfanpete]

Nov 7, 2008 22:10:10 GMT -5 KelownaGuy20 said:

Good Lord! It's weird to see a solo Rihanna song outside the first quarter of the chart!

This chart has really been crawling this year! I understand they are using Mediabase data that tracks all songs and does not separate out the recurrents, but there is a reason why recurrent charts exist for both Mediabase and BDS.

The AT 40 chart needs to be modified and fast! I actually find the Rick Dees chart more refreshing since it actually moves faster and allows songs to peak higher.

[KelownaGuy20]

Nov 9, 2008 22:14:27 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Nov 7, 2008 22:10:10 GMT -5 KelownaGuy20 said:

Good Lord! It's weird to see a solo Rihanna song outside the first quarter of the chart!

This chart has really been crawling this year! I understand they are using Mediabase data that tracks all songs and does not separate out the recurrents, but there is a reason why recurrent charts exist for both Mediabase and BDS.

The AT 40 chart needs to be modified and fast! I actually find the Rick Dees chart more refreshing since it actually moves faster and allows songs to peak higher.

I'm totally with you. As annoying as Dees can get sometimes, there's quite a bit of difference in the two charts (Seacrest vs. Dees). At least in the bottom quarter of the chart!

[Battle601]

I've browsed both charts and I couldn't agree more. With the AT40, the recurrents are definitely an issue -- some of them just linger around the same area of the chart anywhere from a week to an entire month.

Most songs that have the chance to reach the Top 30 and even Top 20 end up being stuck in the bottom quarter of the chart.

Example: Delta Goodrem - In This Life

Some songs that reach the Top 40 in Mediabase and BDS are either featured only as extras and/or breakouts. Once they make the AT40, they end up making the chart for a very short time before falling off.

Examples: Estelle feat. Kanye West - American Boy
Rihanna - Take A Bow

The one thing I can't stand with charts (like AT40) in general, is especially once songs become recurent (on Mediabase and BDS). They tend to either do the following: stall in the same position for a number of weeks, linger around by rising one week or dropping the next, or after weeks of stalling, they suddenly take a massive drop to the bottom or fall off the chart altogether.

Example: Pink - Who Knew (dropped from #27 after 67 weeks)

While I understand that charts are based on numerous factors like record sales, requests, and airplay, I think that they should be as current as possible.

Unfortunately, some radio stations even here in Canada (which I will not mention) actually adopt the same practice with their own charts. Even months after songs have either been removed from their playlist or since become recurrent, they're still there.

In other words, if recurrent songs like "Pocketful Of Sunshine" and "Never Too Late", are still around, while current songs like "Old School" and "I'm Yours" don't even make the cut until they are close to peaking (or already have) then something is wrong.

In spite of that, I still think this issue is not as bad in Canada as it is in the U.S.