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Post by cashisfan1028 on Jul 4, 2008 21:15:16 GMT -5
I'm surprised that there's no thread for this...it currently has the biggest bullet on Hot AC.
19 16 KID ROCK All Summer Long 1706 1359 347 9.703
Where do you guys see this one peaking? I'm thinking at least top 10.
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Post by barryhatchet on Jul 4, 2008 21:54:35 GMT -5
This has been out for a while, hasn't it? There may have been a thread for it a while back.
It reminds me a little of the old Johnny Rivers song 'Summer Rain,' which referenced everyone listening to 'Sgt. Pepper'... and here of course it's 'Sweet Home Alabama.'
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 5, 2008 12:33:58 GMT -5
^The Werewolves Of London riff (and even vocal melody...almost) carries the whole song (except for the brief sample of Sweet Home Alabama in the chorus), but ends up comin together pretty well IMO - wonderin if it has a "cap" on its chart life though (if people will become disinterested in it towards the end of summer)
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Post by shocker on Jul 5, 2008 22:22:29 GMT -5
It's a perfect release for summer - very laid-back and fun to listen to. I'm guessing - and hoping for - top 10 status at Hot AC. Regular AC stations are rightfully giving it some attention too.
This song is further proof that Kid Rock is a talented, multi-format smash. He can rock out, croon a ballad, go country, rap to a hip-hop beat, and appeal to a pop audience.
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Post by barryhatchet on Jul 5, 2008 22:55:38 GMT -5
^The Werewolves Of London riff (and even vocal melody...almost) carries the whole song (except for the brief sample of Sweet Home Alabama in the chorus), but ends up comin together pretty well IMO - wonderin if it has a "cap" on its chart life though (if people will become disinterested in it towards the end of summer) Yeah, I was speaking really about the lyrics. One of these days, somebody's going to have to explain the difference to me between sampling, paying tribute to, and just ripping off other songs. Collective Soul caught hell in some quarters for their recent single 'Hollywood' sounding so much like the Cars' 'Magic.' Here, as you say, Kid Rock is very blatantly using the piano part from 'Werewolves of London' and a bit of 'Sweet Home Alabama.' If you call the song a 'tribute' up front, does that let you off the hook? |
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Post by cashisfan1028 on Jul 5, 2008 23:30:44 GMT -5
^Well I think Kid Rock did that by intention, while Collective Soul really had no clue.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2008 15:21:30 GMT -5
^Well I think Kid Rock did that by intention, while Collective Soul really had no clue. Yeah def. - although Collective Soul does list The Cars as one of its influences (couldn't believe it when I heard it in an interview lol) The Kid Rock thing just seems kinda "cheap" to me cause it's basically a remake of Werewolves Of London with different lyrics, and another 70s rock song thrown is as the hook for the chorus Even hip-hop artists usually use samples for just one part of the song (usually the chorus), whereas Kid Rock uses samples for the entire song, and has no original background music at all Still really like listenin to it though, and think it works really well... |
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Post by barryhatchet on Jul 6, 2008 18:58:55 GMT -5
Yeah, CS has cited the Cars MANY times as a prime influence, so I'm not so sure it's completely unintentional.
But it almost seems as though an artist is better off not even disguising the stolen riff or melody... just putting it out there with a wink, in effect saying, "Of COURSE I'm taking this bit. So what?"
I wonder if they get any kind of clearance ahead of time. I haven't heard about anyone getting sued lately.
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Post by Pipa on Jul 6, 2008 20:38:13 GMT -5
Everyone steals. That's just how it is. Heck, even the guitar to "Stairway to Heaven" was stolen, for god's sake.
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Post by barryhatchet on Jul 7, 2008 1:03:08 GMT -5
Everyone steals. That's just how it is. Heck, even the guitar to "Stairway to Heaven" was stolen, for god's sake. So it's just open season and anyone can take anything they want from any other song? Is that what you're saying? Last time I checked, there was still a thing called copyright (though for how much longer is anyone's guess), and people do, or did, get sued for ripping off other people's music. Famously, the Doors were sued by the Kinks (successfully) for using 'All Day and All of the Night' for 'Hello I Love You' and of course George Harrison was sued for 'My Sweet Lord' stealing the melody from 'He's So Fine.' There have been others but those two come to mind. |
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Post by musicaddict on Jul 7, 2008 3:46:10 GMT -5
Everyone steals. That's just how it is. Heck, even the guitar to "Stairway to Heaven" was stolen, for god's sake. lmao. Kid Rock himself is promoting piracy. I think ive seen an article about it. |
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Post by Pipa on Jul 7, 2008 9:15:55 GMT -5
Everyone steals. That's just how it is. Heck, even the guitar to "Stairway to Heaven" was stolen, for god's sake. So it's just open season and anyone can take anything they want from any other song? Is that what you're saying? I'm not saying that's what should happen; I'm just saying that, to a point, it does. Yeah, there's copyright, but that doesn't catch everything. I mean, "Paralyzer" came and went and still nothing from Franz Ferdinand. And P(A), this is the article: torrentfreak.com/kid-rock-dont-just-steal-music-steal-everything-080618/ |
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Post by musicaddict on Jul 7, 2008 9:24:51 GMT -5
Paralyzer stole something from Franz Ferdinand? lol
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Post by Pipa on Jul 7, 2008 9:43:37 GMT -5
Paralyzer stole something from Franz Ferdinand? lol Listen to that guitar riff again. Now listen to "Take Me Out". Maybe it's not as obvious now, but it sure was the first time I heard it. |
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Post by crazyfun1 on Jul 7, 2008 19:18:09 GMT -5
Everyone steals. That's just how it is. Heck, even the guitar to "Stairway to Heaven" was stolen, for god's sake. lmao. Kid Rock himself is promoting piracy. I think ive seen an article about it. Kid Rocks may as well have just named this song "Sweet Home Alabama #2" He uses the title and all the same chords in it. |
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Post by shocker on Jul 8, 2008 5:17:55 GMT -5
Kid Rock did the sampling of "Werewolves", and the "Sweet Home Alabama" chord arrangement on purpose. He would have had to get permission from the original songwriters; otherwise he'd be facing a huge lawsuit.
In George Harrison's case with "My Sweet Lord", he was found guilty of "subliminal plagiarism" - meaning that he didn't intentionally steal the melody of "He's So Fine", but the ruling was enough for royalties to be halted.
Lots of songs have similar arrangements to older songs - some intentional, some not. I think parts of Gavin Rossdale's new hit "Love Remains the Same" bear a striking resemblence to Bob Welch's "Sentimental Lady", although it's certainly not a duplicate. Could that make Gavin guilty of plagiarism?
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Post by barryhatchet on Jul 8, 2008 10:43:10 GMT -5
Well by comparison to 'All Summer Long,' the Doors' 'Hello I Love You' was a completely original composition!
I guess I'm old school, but I think it's insane that somebody can just appropriate someone else's song, slap some new lyrics on it and call it their own. That way lies madness (to steal a line).
And I daresay those same people who say "so what?" would scream bloody murder if it was THEIR song being stolen and everyone else was saying "quit being a drama queen, everybody does it."
There have to be some standards or the whole thing falls apart. And I'm sure Shocker's right, Kid Rock almost certainly got permission and is paying royalties for using those two songs.
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Post by Rebel Soul on Jul 8, 2008 13:26:00 GMT -5
i'm sure I read somewhere that the artist loyalties are getting split equally 3 ways, between Kid, Skynyrd and Zevon
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Post by Ragin on Jul 17, 2008 22:08:47 GMT -5
Guys, Kid Rock sooooo did not "steal" the song. He got permission.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 18, 2008 7:53:19 GMT -5
i'm sure I read somewhere that the artist loyalties are getting split equally 3 ways, between Kid, Skynyrd and Zevon IMO Zevon's (estate, or whoever owns the song) should get 60% of the royalties, Skynyrd about 30%, and KR about 10% Also wonderin if Zevon would've given KR permission if he were still alive... |
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Jul 18, 2008 21:21:13 GMT -5
I think this is one of the worst songs out right now. Gosh, I just can not STAND Kid Rock! I can only hope that this song leads Rock down the same road Shaggy went after his famed "two sample" track... to obscurity again.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 19, 2008 7:06:21 GMT -5
I think this is one of the worst songs out right now. Gosh, I just can not STAND Kid Rock! I can only hope that this song leads Rock down the same road Shaggy went after his famed "two sample" track... to obscurity again. Yeah I gotta admit I really like this song, but completely agree that the last time an artist had a big hit that was this "dependent" on someone else's hit (or hits) was Shaggy's "Angel" (which was basically "Angel Of The Morning" by Juice Newton with the lyrics altered) |
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Post by shocker on Jul 19, 2008 17:22:05 GMT -5
I think this is one of the worst songs out right now. Gosh, I just can not STAND Kid Rock! I can only hope that this song leads Rock down the same road Shaggy went after his famed "two sample" track... to obscurity again. Yeah I gotta admit I really like this song, but completely agree that the last time an artist had a big hit that was this "dependent" on someone else's hit (or hits) was Shaggy's "Angel" (which was basically "Angel Of The Morning" by Juice Newton with the lyrics altered) As long as permission is obtained, I don't see the problem with sampling. It's a good way of bringing back fond memories from an old song and making a new hit out of it. Some of the most requested songs at parties & clubs are (or have been) those that contained samplings - "U Can't Touch This", "Gettin' Jiggy Wit' it", and "Crazy in Love" just to name 3. |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 19, 2008 21:04:08 GMT -5
Yeah I gotta admit I really like this song, but completely agree that the last time an artist had a big hit that was this "dependent" on someone else's hit (or hits) was Shaggy's "Angel" (which was basically "Angel Of The Morning" by Juice Newton with the lyrics altered) As long as permission is obtained, I don't see the problem with sampling. It's a good way of bringing back fond memories from an old song and making a new hit out of it. Some of the most requested songs at parties & clubs are (or have been) those that contained samplings - "U Can't Touch This", "Gettin' Jiggy Wit' it", and "Crazy in Love" just to name 3. It's not just the sampling though IMO...Kid Rock basically I think sings the same verse melody that Zevon sings in Werewolves Of London (over the same sampled chords), and then uses both the title and guitar riff of Sweet Home Alabama as the chorus Songs like U Can't Touch This and Gettin' Jiggy Wit It used a sampled "riff", but added tons of their own additional music/lyrics etc. to it...and they def. didn't use the title of the songs they sampled as the hook - just seems a lot different to me I guess |
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Post by shocker on Aug 18, 2008 4:36:28 GMT -5
Wow! #5 on R&R, with a +180. This'll be top 3 before too long.
Can't see it going to #1 though. I think Coldplay has a lock on the top position for a while.
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Post by JCMF3 on Aug 19, 2008 10:20:31 GMT -5
Can't see it going to #1 though. I think Coldplay has a lock on the top position for a while. I think you better look at the Hot AC chart again and see who #1 is (hint: It's not Coldplay). |
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Post by shocker on Aug 21, 2008 0:36:40 GMT -5
Can't see it going to #1 though. I think Coldplay has a lock on the top position for a while. I think you better look at the Hot AC chart again and see who #1 is (hint: It's not Coldplay). That's really surprising how "It's Not My Time" sneaked back to #1 in its 22nd week on the chart; while "Viva" dropped to #2 with a decrease in spins in only its 12th week on the chart. Something isn't right with that picture; but I'm hoping that 3 Doors Down's song has peaked out, and Coldplay will start gaining again. As for Kid Rock, he may be in competition for #1 if both Coldplay & 3 Doors Down continue to lose points. |
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