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Post by marv1978 on Oct 1, 2010 9:08:53 GMT -5
Home is top 10 like i predicted! :) Up +62 at #9
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 1, 2010 15:37:58 GMT -5
Home is top 10 like i predicted! :) Up +62 at #9 9 GOO GOO DOLLS Home Warner Bros. 2010 2452 2390 62 With the single having teetered in the same weekly spin range and chart position for a month and a half, I didn't think it would hang on to go Top Ten. It's great they've maintained their streak, although I have to say I can't help but think the drive to keep them collecting Top Ten hits may have been payola-driven this time around. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Devin on Oct 2, 2010 8:58:10 GMT -5
I think it'll be stalled at #11 still for Billboard's official chart next week.
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 2, 2010 19:04:11 GMT -5
I think it'll be stalled at #11 still for Billboard's official chart next week. how u figure? its up +117 at #9, mockingbird and half of my heart aren't coming back up and even if Taylor Swift jumps it which i don't think it will by tomorrow evening, it would still be #10 :) 9 GOO GOO DOLLS Home Warner Bros. 2010 2506 2389 117
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Post by Devin on Oct 2, 2010 19:39:18 GMT -5
I think it'll be stalled at #11 still for Billboard's official chart next week. how u figure? its up +117 at #9, mockingbird and half of my heart aren't coming back up and even if Taylor Swift jumps it which i don't think it will by tomorrow evening, it would still be #10 :) 9 GOO GOO DOLLS Home Warner Bros. 2010 2506 2389 117 Billboard tracks different stations than Mediabase. By the rate it was going, I thought that Lifehouse and Taylor Swift were going to jump it. But from the looks of it, Goo Goo Dolls is gaining speed for once ???
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 3, 2010 3:28:58 GMT -5
^From what I remember, Billboard tracks significantly less stations than Mediabase, so IMO I'd go with the Mediabase figures as more accurate
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 4, 2010 13:42:32 GMT -5
how u figure? its up +117 at #9, mockingbird and half of my heart aren't coming back up and even if Taylor Swift jumps it which i don't think it will by tomorrow evening, it would still be #10 :) 9 GOO GOO DOLLS Home Warner Bros. 2010 2506 2389 117 Billboard tracks different stations than Mediabase. By the rate it was going, I thought that Lifehouse and Taylor Swift were going to jump it. But from the looks of it, Goo Goo Dolls is gaining speed for once ??? googoodolls Goo Goo Dolls extend record for most top 10s in the history of Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart with 14 - "Home" rises 11-9 on Oct 16 chart! about 2 hours ago via googoodolls.com
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 4, 2010 18:27:13 GMT -5
It'll be interesting what they release for the second single.
Given "Notbroken" has been the strongest-selling album track digitally, and it is widely agreed to be the standout moment on the album, there's great incentive to release that as a single next.
However, I also don't necessarily think it's the most immediate candidate among the remaining tracks. Among those lamenting the lack of edge in their most recent material, "Sweetest Lie" is the one exception that fans of their heavier material will be excited to see get released. And if they're aiming to play it safe altogether, "One Night" and "As I Am" are their two most accessible choices.
Personally, I want "Sweetest Lie" to be the second single, followed by "Notbroken" third. "Home" isn't quite a ballad, but still has that theatrical feel to it to where it comes across as ballad-y, so I don't think "Notbroken" would make the best second single. However, it definitely must be one of the releases this era.
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 4, 2010 22:39:31 GMT -5
It'll be interesting what they release for the second single. Given "Notbroken" has been the strongest-selling album track digitally, and it is widely agreed to be the standout moment on the album, there's great incentive to release that as a single next. However, I also don't necessarily think it's the most immediate candidate among the remaining tracks. Among those lamenting the lack of edge in their most recent material, "Sweetest Lie" is the one exception that fans of their heavier material will be excited to see get released. And if they're aiming to play it safe altogether, "One Night" and "As I Am" are their two most accessible choices. Personally, I want "Sweetest Lie" to be the second single, followed by "Notbroken" third. "Home" isn't quite a ballad, but still has that theatrical feel to it to where it comes across as ballad-y, so I don't think "Notbroken" would make the best second single. However, it definitely must be one of the releases this era. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I think "Notbroken" will be the 2nd or 3rd single and agree "As I Am" is a strong candidate for single #2. "Sweetest Lie" & "Soldier" are solid tracks too!
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 4, 2010 22:41:55 GMT -5
Billboard tracks different stations than Mediabase. By the rate it was going, I thought that Lifehouse and Taylor Swift were going to jump it. But from the looks of it, Goo Goo Dolls is gaining speed for once ??? googoodolls Goo Goo Dolls extend record for most top 10s in the history of Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart with 14 - "Home" rises 11-9 on Oct 16 chart! about 2 hours ago via googoodolls.com i just thought of this, Rob Thomas really is the king of hot ac top 40 by a landslide. The Goo's have 14 top 10's, Matchbox Twenty have 12, Rob Thomas has 8 and 1 with Santana totaling 21 Top 10 for Rob Thomas on lead vocals and songwriting! That's awesome!
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 5, 2010 12:01:27 GMT -5
googoodolls Goo Goo Dolls extend record for most top 10s in the history of Billboard's Adult Top 40 chart with 14 - "Home" rises 11-9 on Oct 16 chart! about 2 hours ago via googoodolls.com i just thought of this, Rob Thomas really is the king of hot ac top 40 by a landslide. The Goo's have 14 top 10's, Matchbox Twenty have 12, Rob Thomas has 8 and 1 with Santana totaling 21 Top 10 for Rob Thomas on lead vocals and songwriting! That's awesome! John Rzeznik has one solo Top Ten with "I'm Still Here", but it certainly doesn't diminish your point whatsoever. Hypothetically, it would be interesting to see how John Rzeznik would fare as a solo artist if he had followed Thomas' example and release an album in-between each four-year gap between all of the Goo Goo Doll's albums since "Dizzy Up The Girl". My bet is that he wouldn't have been quite as successful despite likely to have collected hits off his first two singles on his debut record. I also think Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty has been much more successful in more recent years than Goo Goo Dolls/John Rzeznik because, where the latter has become pigeonholed with that music for teen romance films tag (which I believe is unfair to some degree but nonetheless believe he tends not to crawl out of his comfort zone), the former has been able to maintain an appeal with a wider demographic range, with Thomas being viewed as a more mature, seasoned songwriter that effectively transcends that stigma. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 5, 2010 19:01:10 GMT -5
Hypothetically, it would be interesting to see how John Rzeznik would fare as a solo artist if he had followed Thomas' example and release an album in-between each four-year gap between all of the Goo Goo Doll's albums since "Dizzy Up The Girl". My bet is that he wouldn't have been quite as successful despite likely to have collected hits off his first two singles on his debut record. I also think Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty has been much more successful in more recent years than Goo Goo Dolls/John Rzeznik because, where the latter has become pigeonholed with that music for teen romance films tag (which I believe is unfair to some degree but nonetheless believe he tends not to crawl out of his comfort zone), the former has been able to maintain an appeal with a wider demographic range, with Thomas being viewed as a more mature, seasoned songwriter that effectively transcends that stigma. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I don't think there's any difference in their demographic appeal, and definitely not in their maturity - IMO Rob Thomas is just a more diverse songwriter, and he has a pop side to him which I don't think John Rzeznik has - I don't think there'd be any point to a Rzeznik solo career, cause his solo hit sounded just like a GGD track (although it was a great song)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 8, 2010 18:01:17 GMT -5
i just thought of this, Rob Thomas really is the king of hot ac top 40 by a landslide. The Goo's have 14 top 10's, Matchbox Twenty have 12, Rob Thomas has 8 and 1 with Santana totaling 21 Top 10 for Rob Thomas on lead vocals and songwriting! That's awesome! John Rzeznik has one solo Top Ten with "I'm Still Here", but it certainly doesn't diminish your point whatsoever. Hypothetically, it would be interesting to see how John Rzeznik would fare as a solo artist if he had followed Thomas' example and release an album in-between each four-year gap between all of the Goo Goo Doll's albums since "Dizzy Up The Girl". My bet is that he wouldn't have been quite as successful despite likely to have collected hits off his first two singles on his debut record. I also think Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty has been much more successful in more recent years than Goo Goo Dolls/John Rzeznik because, where the latter has become pigeonholed with that music for teen romance films tag (which I believe is unfair to some degree but nonetheless believe he tends not to crawl out of his comfort zone), the former has been able to maintain an appeal with a wider demographic range, with Thomas being viewed as a more mature, seasoned songwriter that effectively transcends that stigma. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Rob Thomas may be a more versatile songwriter with a larger resumé, but Rzeznik will always have "Iris" as his trump card. I just don't think Rob Thomas is capable of writing something that powerful. Obviously that's a subjective statement, but damn, "Iris" is practically untouchable. I don't think there has been a charting pop single since "Iris" that's had as much intensity.
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Post by Gravity. on Oct 8, 2010 20:57:40 GMT -5
As much of a classic as "Iris" is, I think that "Push" is close to it in terms of impact. (For me anyway.)
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 8, 2010 21:07:58 GMT -5
As much of a classic as "Iris" is, I think that "Push" is close to it in terms of impact. (For me anyway.) yeah iris is classic but push was huge as was smooth
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Post by Gravity. on Oct 8, 2010 21:10:56 GMT -5
I don't mean impact as in chart impact, I mean like on a personal level. It hits the soul, much like "Iris" did.
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 9, 2010 0:51:12 GMT -5
I don't mean impact as in chart impact, I mean like on a personal level. It hits the soul, much like "Iris" did. i haft to say i agree when Iris was out i thought it was one of the best songs ever and was perfect for the movie it was in. i got alot out of push and back 2 good alslo, but i see your point Iris is hard to beat that raw passionate emotion with awesome lyrice and melody!
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 9, 2010 21:56:53 GMT -5
John Rzeznik has one solo Top Ten with "I'm Still Here", but it certainly doesn't diminish your point whatsoever. Hypothetically, it would be interesting to see how John Rzeznik would fare as a solo artist if he had followed Thomas' example and release an album in-between each four-year gap between all of the Goo Goo Doll's albums since "Dizzy Up The Girl". My bet is that he wouldn't have been quite as successful despite likely to have collected hits off his first two singles on his debut record. I also think Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty has been much more successful in more recent years than Goo Goo Dolls/John Rzeznik because, where the latter has become pigeonholed with that music for teen romance films tag (which I believe is unfair to some degree but nonetheless believe he tends not to crawl out of his comfort zone), the former has been able to maintain an appeal with a wider demographic range, with Thomas being viewed as a more mature, seasoned songwriter that effectively transcends that stigma. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Rob Thomas may be a more versatile songwriter with a larger resumé, but Rzeznik will always have "Iris" as his trump card. I just don't think Rob Thomas is capable of writing something that powerful. Obviously that's a subjective statement, but damn, "Iris" is practically untouchable. I don't think there has been a charting pop single since "Iris" that's had as much intensity. Of course he does, and that something is titled "Smooth". There's no doubt "Iris" will stand the tests of time and remain a hit of epic proportions, but "Smooth" will do so equally. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 9, 2010 22:07:02 GMT -5
As much of a classic as "Iris" is, I think that "Push" is close to it in terms of impact. (For me anyway.) Here I'd have to disagree that "Push" sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall prominence and intensity. The latter certainly has the upper hand. In fact I'll admit no matchbox twenty release quite sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall magnitude, despite matchbox twenty having more hits overall with lasting resonance (matchbox twenty, in my view, have five hits with lasting emotional resonance: "Push", "3 AM", "Back 2 Good", "If You're Gone" and "Unwell", while the Goo Goo Dolls have three: "Name", "Iris" and "Slide".) Both bands have additional hits that certainly retain some sort of emotional appeal (I don't think "Bent" is remembered quite as well despite being matchbox twenty's sole #1 hit, while "Black Balloon" and "Here is Gone" still get played but not like their aforementioned hat trick of classics). In terms of a single definitive hit, the Goo Goo Dolls definitely have the upper hand among the two bands (though Rob Thomas rivals it on his own with "Smooth") but in terms of total classic hits, matchbox twenty have the advantage. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 10, 2010 9:45:29 GMT -5
In terms of a single definitive hit, the Goo Goo Dolls definitely have the upper hand among the two bands I wouldn't say they had a single definitive hit - here are the CHR stats for Name, Iris, and Slide (since HAC stats from the 90s are kinda skewed)... GOO GOO DOLLS Name 1(1) 37 weeks GOO GOO DOLLS Iris 1(4) 36 weeks GOO GOO DOLLS Slide 1(2) 37 weeks Agree that in total Matchbox 20 has more "classic hits" though than GGD
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Post by Battle601 on Oct 12, 2010 20:39:39 GMT -5
It appears their next single will be "Notbroken". They were guest performers on tonight's Dancing With the Stars' results show, and included it in a medley with their classic "Iris".
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 12, 2010 22:33:01 GMT -5
It appears their next single will be "Notbroken". They were guest performers on tonight's Dancing With the Stars' results show, and included it in a medley with their classic "Iris". It shouldn't be of any real surprise, given they're probably better off appealing to those that still choose to faithfully go along with them, rather than what may sound the most immediate in the opinions of lesser fans. I don't expect this to make the Top Ten, but it's probably the right choice given I just don't see how the album is going to sell much more anyway and at this point they ought to concentrate their energies on preserving and wowing their faithful. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by marv1978 on Oct 13, 2010 10:45:36 GMT -5
"Not Broken" is an amazing ballad filled with emotion! I like it 10 times better than "Better Days" which was a huge single, so i'm gonna go with my gut here and predict Top 5 Hot AC!
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 14, 2010 1:52:39 GMT -5
Rob Thomas may be a more versatile songwriter with a larger resumé, but Rzeznik will always have "Iris" as his trump card. I just don't think Rob Thomas is capable of writing something that powerful. Obviously that's a subjective statement, but damn, "Iris" is practically untouchable. I don't think there has been a charting pop single since "Iris" that's had as much intensity. Of course he does, and that something is titled "Smooth". There's no doubt "Iris" will stand the tests of time and remain a hit of epic proportions, but "Smooth" will do so equally. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I don't think "Smooth" is as powerful as "Iris". Maybe you were just arguing based on a singular song's success. But as far as just magnitude and intensity of a song, "Iris" wins that battle clearly for me. Given the content and story behind "3 AM", I'd say that's Rob Thomas' best shot at matching the emotional impact of "Iris", though I just don't happen to personally like "3 AM" that much.
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Post by Radical347 on Oct 14, 2010 3:40:41 GMT -5
Rob Thomas may be a more versatile songwriter with a larger resumé, but Rzeznik will always have "Iris" as his trump card. I just don't think Rob Thomas is capable of writing something that powerful. Obviously that's a subjective statement, but damn, "Iris" is practically untouchable. I don't think there has been a charting pop single since "Iris" that's had as much intensity. Of course he does, and that something is titled "Smooth". There's no doubt "Iris" will stand the tests of time and remain a hit of epic proportions, but "Smooth" will do so equally. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Yep. I never got (and still don't get) the appeal of "Smooth" and think it's as average as you can possibly get and one of the two most overrated songs of my era (the other being "Boulevard of Broken Dreams"), but I can't deny the fact that it was a hit of epic proportions.
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Post by Radical347 on Oct 14, 2010 3:43:53 GMT -5
As much of a classic as "Iris" is, I think that "Push" is close to it in terms of impact. (For me anyway.) Here I'd have to disagree that "Push" sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall prominence and intensity. The latter certainly has the upper hand. In fact I'll admit no matchbox twenty release quite sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall magnitude, despite matchbox twenty having more hits overall with lasting resonance (matchbox twenty, in my view, have five hits with lasting emotional resonance: "Push", "3 AM", "Back 2 Good", "If You're Gone" and "Unwell", while the Goo Goo Dolls have three: "Name", "Iris" and "Slide".) Both bands have additional hits that certainly retain some sort of emotional appeal (I don't think "Bent" is remembered quite as well despite being matchbox twenty's sole #1 hit, while "Black Balloon" and "Here is Gone" still get played but not like their aforementioned hat trick of classics). In terms of a single definitive hit, the Goo Goo Dolls definitely have the upper hand among the two bands (though Rob Thomas rivals it on his own with "Smooth") but in terms of total classic hits, matchbox twenty have the advantage. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I'd stick "Bent" back in, since as you said it was their sole #1 and it did last as long as any. I think it's easily more remembered than "If You're Gone" or "Back 2 Good."
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2010 5:33:02 GMT -5
Here I'd have to disagree that "Push" sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall prominence and intensity. The latter certainly has the upper hand. In fact I'll admit no matchbox twenty release quite sizes up to "Iris" in terms of overall magnitude, despite matchbox twenty having more hits overall with lasting resonance (matchbox twenty, in my view, have five hits with lasting emotional resonance: "Push", "3 AM", "Back 2 Good", "If You're Gone" and "Unwell", while the Goo Goo Dolls have three: "Name", "Iris" and "Slide".) Both bands have additional hits that certainly retain some sort of emotional appeal (I don't think "Bent" is remembered quite as well despite being matchbox twenty's sole #1 hit, while "Black Balloon" and "Here is Gone" still get played but not like their aforementioned hat trick of classics). In terms of a single definitive hit, the Goo Goo Dolls definitely have the upper hand among the two bands (though Rob Thomas rivals it on his own with "Smooth") but in terms of total classic hits, matchbox twenty have the advantage. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I'd stick "Bent" back in, since as you said it was their sole #1 and it did last as long as any. I think it's easily more remembered than "If You're Gone" or "If You're Gone." Yeah I was actually gonna say the same thing, but then thinking about it I really haven't heard Bent replayed very much compared to Unwell, If You're Gone, 3am. Real World, and Push - maybe it's just my area of the country though If You're Gone has the huge advantage though of being played on all the softer AC stations As far as Bent hitting #1 and 3am only peaking at #3, IMO that was basically an issue of timing - Matchbox 20's first era on CHR was kind of messy in terms of some stations waiting months before adding the new single - by the time 2/3 of the panel was done with Push, they released 3am, but 1/3 of the panel that had waited on Push still had it in power and wanted to keep it there - so peaks for these singles became staggered among the stations When Bent was released in 2000, virtually all CHRs but it in power at the same time, since M20 had become established hitmakers by then
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 14, 2010 14:22:48 GMT -5
I'd stick "Bent" back in, since as you said it was their sole #1 and it did last as long as any. I think it's easily more remembered than "If You're Gone" or "If You're Gone." Yeah I was actually gonna say the same thing, but then thinking about it I really haven't heard Bent replayed very much compared to Unwell, If You're Gone, 3am. Real World, and Push - maybe it's just my area of the country though If You're Gone has the huge advantage though of being played on all the softer AC stations As far as Bent hitting #1 and 3am only peaking at #3, IMO that was basically an issue of timing - Matchbox 20's first era on CHR was kind of messy in terms of some stations waiting months before adding the new single - by the time 2/3 of the panel was done with Push, they released 3am, but 1/3 of the panel that had waited on Push still had it in power and wanted to keep it there - so peaks for these singles became staggered among the stations When Bent was released in 2000, virtually all CHRs but it in power at the same time, since M20 had become established hitmakers by then None of matchbox twenty's were even released in physical form up until late in the promotion of "Real World", I believe. I'm convinced had that been the case, "3 AM" would definitely have been a Top Five hit on the Billboard Hot 100, and "Push" possibly a Top Ten. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Devin on Oct 14, 2010 17:19:21 GMT -5
Well this song's bullet went pretty fast
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 14, 2010 18:58:54 GMT -5
Yeah I was actually gonna say the same thing, but then thinking about it I really haven't heard Bent replayed very much compared to Unwell, If You're Gone, 3am. Real World, and Push - maybe it's just my area of the country though If You're Gone has the huge advantage though of being played on all the softer AC stations As far as Bent hitting #1 and 3am only peaking at #3, IMO that was basically an issue of timing - Matchbox 20's first era on CHR was kind of messy in terms of some stations waiting months before adding the new single - by the time 2/3 of the panel was done with Push, they released 3am, but 1/3 of the panel that had waited on Push still had it in power and wanted to keep it there - so peaks for these singles became staggered among the stations When Bent was released in 2000, virtually all CHRs but it in power at the same time, since M20 had become established hitmakers by then None of matchbox twenty's were even released in physical form up until late in the promotion of "Real World", I believe. I'm convinced had that been the case, "3 AM" would definitely have been a Top Five hit on the Billboard Hot 100, and "Push" possibly a Top Ten. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Wait sorry I was talking about CHR (cause you mentioned them hitting #1) - if the whole panel had jumped on Push around the same time, then it would've faded at the same time, and 3am IMO would've easily hit #1 CHR - but the radio airplay was too staggered between large and small market stations Literally no pop/alternative did well on the Hot 100 in the 90s cause most non-rhythmic cassette singles were almost impossible to come by
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