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Post by shanas on Sept 1, 2010 18:49:33 GMT -5
song is def not taking off like HSS did on the Pop or Top 50 charts been hanging around #50 on the Itunes chart for a number of weeks now too doesnt seem to be getting anywhere near the success of HSS but it seems to have certainly kept the album sales ticking along think they would be nearing 500k now.....does anybody know ?
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 0:18:22 GMT -5
song is def not taking off like HSS did on the Pop or Top 50 charts been hanging around #50 on the Itunes chart for a number of weeks now too doesnt seem to be getting anywhere near the success of HSS but it seems to have certainly kept the album sales ticking along think they would be nearing 500k now.....does anybody know ? It doesn't look like it'll duplicate its success, but given Train have a jinxed prior history of not having one successful secondary single with lasting appeal (I suppose "When I Look To The Sky" is up for debate in this department), "If It's Love" has broken that curse and has gone quite a long way by its standards. It'll quite likely top this format by the end of this week as well, assuming a last minute coup d'état by Maroon 5 doesn't occur. I imagine 500K sounds about right, more or less. I expect a Gold certification announcement is imminent. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by No Brake$ on Sept 2, 2010 8:21:15 GMT -5
I think this latest era for Train will be much more successful than Maroon 5's for this era, who would have thought.
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Post by Battle601 on Sept 2, 2010 10:20:49 GMT -5
In Canada, both Train and Maroon 5 currently stand out on the charts, among the Hot AC staple acts. Their latest singles have overshadowed the recent ones from Daughtry, Rob Thomas, Lifehouse, Sara Bareilles, John Mayer and Colbie Caillat.
"Misery" has attained a #22 peak on the Canadian Hot 100 thus far and "If It's Love" has undergone a steady climb in recent weeks reaching a new peak of #66.
Daughtry and Lifehouse's latest singles have not broken into the Canadian Hot 100 yet, while Sara had a one-week stint and John Mayer's duet with Taylor Swift went up to #53. Colbie's recent single also missed out with limited airplay.
My station has been responsible for pushing both "Misery" and "If It's Love" into heavy rotation, giving decent spins to both "September" and "All In", and eventually gave up on both "Half of My Heart" and "King of Anything". They always straddle the line between Hot AC and CHR/Rhythmic, but when they do that, it's like they add the CHR-type songs almost a month later after everyone else.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 11:55:49 GMT -5
I think this latest era for Train will be much more successful than Maroon 5's for this era, who would have thought. I don't think that's true. Maroon 5 will all but certainly have the better-selling album both domestically and worldwide. That said, Train are on a roll. Who ever would have predicted this, especially when as recently as four years ago we were all discussing Train losing their staple status at every format other than Triple A and that the future looked bleak for them. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 14:16:27 GMT -5
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2 2 1 TRAIN If It's Love Columbia 2009 4270 4133 137 102 41.9 40.5 +1.3 1 1 2 KATY PERRY California Gurls f/S... Capitol 2010 4201 4395 -194 94 44.7 46.8 -2.1 3 3 3 MAROON 5 Misery A&M/Octone/Interscope 2010 4066 3918 148 100 40.7 39.2 +1.5
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Train have widened both the spin and audience gaps since yesterday's update, so it appears a #1 is officially in the bag for them now.
Again, this will tie them up with matchbox twenty and Daughtry for second most #1 hits on this format to date of any group. And considering their sales and mainstream success have been far more limited than both aforementioned groups, this is a stunning achievement.
Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by shanas on Sept 2, 2010 18:45:54 GMT -5
I think this latest era for Train will be much more successful than Maroon 5's for this era, who would have thought. I don't think that's true. Maroon 5 will all but certainly have the better-selling album both domestically and worldwide. That said, Train are on a roll. Who ever would have predicted this, especially when as recently as four years ago we were all discussing Train losing their staple status at every format other than Triple A and that the future looked bleak for them. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Here in Australia they are MUCH bigger than MAROON 5 are their latest album is close to going Gold (35k here) while HSS was #1 for 3 or 4 weeks with ITL going top 20 only the 2nd single has def seen the album sell much better off the back of some very good radio play over here
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 21:08:17 GMT -5
I don't think that's true. Maroon 5 will all but certainly have the better-selling album both domestically and worldwide. That said, Train are on a roll. Who ever would have predicted this, especially when as recently as four years ago we were all discussing Train losing their staple status at every format other than Triple A and that the future looked bleak for them. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Here in Australia they are MUCH bigger than MAROON 5 are their latest album is close to going Gold (35k here) while HSS was #1 for 3 or 4 weeks with ITL going top 20 only the 2nd single has def seen the album sell much better off the back of some very good radio play over here It remains to be seen whether they'll be bigger this particular album cycle than Train, but that's certainly not true regarding overall discography to date. Maroon 5 have six Top Twenty hits (four of which went Top Ten), one quintuple-platinum debut album and one platinum sophomore album under their belt to date. Train have two Top Twenty hits (both of which have went Top Ten) and no official ARIA certifications for any record to date (even though I do expect their new record will get a certification soon) Maroon 5 are clearly the more successful band as far as commercial success is concerned.............although Train is surely the more consistently successful and resilient band of the two. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rodze on Sept 9, 2010 7:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 9, 2010 20:24:36 GMT -5
In other words, they also have delivered 4% of the format's total #1 hits to date. By the way, I rolled my eyes reading some of the comments below the article regarding how the format was "racist" because, compared to 1996 when Tracy Chapman, Seal and Hootie & The Blowfish (Darius Rucker) had chart-topping releases on this format in its year of inception, there hasn't been as many notable African-American artists to top the chart as of late. I think the increasing emergence of R&B music on the format is reason enough to dispel such a ridiculous accusation. As far as #1 placements is concerned, sure, there's not as heavy a concentration of names. But across the wider chart, we now have hip-hop acts, even occasional rappers, finding an ability to chart they lacked before, which are dominantly African-American. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 10, 2010 21:24:58 GMT -5
^Tracy Chapman, Seal, and Hootie aren't R&B - they were black artists who sung pop/rock, and there really aren't any examples of that right now, so IMO that argument's ridiculous
I have wondered though about racism and Hot AC - don't really see the difference in musical style between Mike Posner and Jason DeRulo (IMO only difference is race) - think Kesha had an easier time on HAC cause she's white, and think if Shontelle were white Impossible would've been Top 20 hit already
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 10, 2010 21:45:30 GMT -5
^Tracy Chapman, Seal, and Hootie aren't R&B - they were black artists who sung pop/rock, and there really aren't any examples of that right now, so IMO that argument's ridiculous I have wondered though about racism and Hot AC - don't really see the difference in musical style between Mike Posner and Jason DeRulo (IMO only difference is race) - think Kesha had an easier time on HAC cause she's white, and think if Shontelle were white Impossible would've been Top 20 hit already I know they aren't R&B (even though I do believe all three artists have R&B influences to their music, particularly Tracy Chapman) but the point I was making is that, even while African-American artists may not necessarily be reaching the top of the chart quite as often as they did in 1996, that R&B music, at the same time, has been making more of an impression than ever before at this format, and with that I think it can be argued more African-American artists, overall, are charting. All I know is that, if Hot AC is a racist format, then virtually every other format that isn't the Mainstream Top 40, Triple A or Smooth Jazz isn't any better. Darius Rucker is the only African-American to have dented the Country format in all recent memory. When was the last time you saw an Active Rock mainstay band fronted by an African American or even featuring one? How many Muslims do you hear on ANY format, for that matter? Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 10, 2010 22:04:35 GMT -5
^Tracy Chapman, Seal, and Hootie aren't R&B - they were black artists who sung pop/rock, and there really aren't any examples of that right now, so IMO that argument's ridiculous I have wondered though about racism and Hot AC - don't really see the difference in musical style between Mike Posner and Jason DeRulo (IMO only difference is race) - think Kesha had an easier time on HAC cause she's white, and think if Shontelle were white Impossible would've been Top 20 hit already I know they aren't R&B (even though I do believe all three artists have R&B influences to their music, particularly Tracy Chapman) but the point I was making is that, even while African-American artists may not necessarily be reaching the top of the chart quite as often as they did in 1996, that R&B music, at the same time, has been making more of an impression than ever before at this format, and with that I think it can be argued more African-American artists, overall, are charting. Yeah I just think it's a weird comparison for them to make (not you) - they're basically saying that if Hootie reached #1 on Hot AC back then, Jason DeRulo should be hitting #1 now, or else HAC is racist As far as HAC letting in R&B and rap at the lower end of the chart, only a very limited number of stations are doing it (many of which are basically CHRs), and it's certainly not a trend for the format - IMO you gotta look at what the majority of HAC stations are playing, and the article is right that the big hits are all by white artists I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was just a case of musical style, but to have Mike Posner charging through the Top 10 and Jason DeRulo barely able to score a hit just seems racist to me
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Post by Battle601 on Sept 11, 2010 8:44:03 GMT -5
This has turned out to be an interesting discussion over the last couple of threads.
Even though 1996 marked the last time that an African-American pop/rock act has topped the charts in this format based on the list, I am sure it will only be a matter of time before we see this happen again and I hope we do.
As already mentioned, we have been seeing more African-American acts (although mainly R&B/Rhythmic) charting in the format, but that is in large part from stations that are a hybrid of CHR and Hot AC. You see a lot more of this happening in Canada than in the U.S.
My station here in Canada is a great example of that - while they play staple acts like Train, Maroon 5, and Daughtry, they also give heavy spins to acts like Jason DeRulo, B.o.B. and Black Eyed Peas just to name a few. Just take a look at our Hot AC chart here in Canada, and "Airplanes" was the #1 song this week. One can argue whether that could have happened without a collaboration.
The closest we've seen an African-American artist reach #1 in the format since 1996 was just a couple of years ago, or as I like to call it, the Timbaland factor. OneRepublic's "Apologize" reached #1. Would it have gone #1 without him? I don't know for sure. While his music is primarily rhythmic/R&B, I would consider him a pop/rock act in some ways too, given the range of acts he has featured on his recent albums. Not to mention, he was in great demand by artists across different formats, so there's that to consider.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 11, 2010 12:54:21 GMT -5
Even though 1996 marked the last time that an African-American pop/rock act has topped the charts in this format based on the list, I am sure it will only be a matter of time before we see this happen again and I hope we do. Just wondering - did Again by Lenny Kravitz really not hit #1 on HAC (cause it hit #1 CHR)
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Sept 11, 2010 13:16:54 GMT -5
Even though 1996 marked the last time that an African-American pop/rock act has topped the charts in this format based on the list, I am sure it will only be a matter of time before we see this happen again and I hope we do. Just wondering - did Again by Lenny Kravitz really not hit #1 on HAC (cause it hit #1 CHR) Yeah, it was #1 for 2 weeks in March 2001.
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Post by Battle601 on Sept 11, 2010 18:12:43 GMT -5
I was just listening to the weekly chart show of my local radio station, and it's hard for me to believe that this song could just skyrocket about 20 ranks (from #25 to #6) from one week to the next, setting a record for the biggest jump of a song in my station's chart history as far as I can recall. Strangely enough, the chart position nor any of this info was even acknowledged during the broadcast!
To me, not only does it seem unusual but also very random. Indeed, I like the song and I'm happy that it's doing great but there are other songs that would have been just as worthy of this "honor" because they earned it. I'm not feeling that so much with this song.
However, the regular edition of the chart was pre-empted last Labor Day weekend in favor of a special edition that counted down the top songs of the summer. Two weeks ago, this song was bumped up to heavy rotation. So I'm willing to assume then that its huge jump on the chart could be attributed to the song's progress over a two-week period...
But if that's the case, it raises a few other questions. For instance, I do not quite get how a song already off my station's playlist for over a month is still on the chart. Interestingly enough, when they dropped "Your Love Is My Drug" (it's not even in recurrent status), they bumped up "If It's Love" to regular rotation. And yet eight weeks since being dropped, it's still lingering on the chart. What I find especially misleading is how a weekly chart show is promoted as "the # hottest songs as requested by you". Because if that were the case, songs that are actually on the playlist should be entering the chart (i.e. "Take It Off"), while those with zero spins over the past few weeks should be gradually making their way out.
Maybe it's just me but another thing I've noticed with countdowns lately is how they just simply count down the songs without acknowledging their progress over their run. Perhaps the average listener could care less how it does, while it might be of interest to those who listen and follow each week.
I guess it all depends on who writes them and the personalities/hosts simply read what's given to them. One would think that if a song moves up a considerable number of positions, that would be acknowledged. But no, instead, more airtime is devoted to filler like showbiz gossip. Also, you don't hear much nowadays about what the chart is based on or how it is compiled. Even AT40 has kind of stopped relaying that info. Is there any valid reason for this?
Getting back to this huge jump for "If It's Love" on my station, the song is not even the most requested, although it does make the daily countdown show a few times each week. So other than the fact that it is in heavy rotation, I'm assuming a considerable amount of payola is involved. For a song to climb that high in such a short time, one would expect it to reach #1 at some point. A similar thing happened with "September". It jumped up 12 spots within one week but never made heavy rotation status. It peaked at #4 and has since been dropping.
I'm curious to know your thoughts, so anyone please feel free to chime in.
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Post by gato on Sept 12, 2010 9:06:52 GMT -5
To me, not only does it seem unusual but also very random. Indeed, I like the song and I'm happy that it's doing great but there are other songs that would have been just as worthy of this "honor" because they earned it. I'm not feeling that so much with this song. However, the regular edition of the chart was pre-empted last Labor Day weekend in favor of a special edition that counted down the top songs of the summer. Two weeks ago, this song was bumped up to heavy rotation. So I'm willing to assume then that its huge jump on the chart could be attributed to the song's progress over a two-week period... But if that's the case, it raises a few other questions. For instance, I do not quite get how a song already off my station's playlist for over a month is still on the chart. Interestingly enough, when they dropped "Your Love Is My Drug" (it's not even in recurrent status), they bumped up "If It's Love" to regular rotation. And yet eight weeks since being dropped, it's still lingering on the chart. What I find especially misleading is how a weekly chart show is promoted as "the # hottest songs as requested by you". Because if that were the case, songs that are actually on the playlist should be entering the chart (i.e. "Take It Off"), while those with zero spins over the past few weeks should be gradually making their way out. ... Getting back to this huge jump for "If It's Love" on my station, the song is not even the most requested, although it does make the daily countdown show a few times each week. So other than the fact that it is in heavy rotation, I'm assuming a considerable amount of payola is involved. For a song to climb that high in such a short time, one would expect it to reach #1 at some point. A similar thing happened with "September". It jumped up 12 spots within one week but never made heavy rotation status. It peaked at #4 and has since been dropping.I'm curious to know your thoughts, so anyone please feel free to chime in. Maybe I'm just cynical, but where there is big business there is payola involved. I've always known this to be true at some level, but it just seems worse right now. I'm not sure if this is due to the more numerous songs getting over 10K spins a week or what exactly. Perhaps with the decreased revenues in the recording industry the pressure to get that #1 hit is just too much? Perhaps the payola is getting more and more important?
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Post by erzo01 on Sept 13, 2010 5:36:52 GMT -5
Top 10 in Triple A!
13 10 TRAIN If It's Love 331 310 21 1.271
Looks like this will be replaced by "Misery" at the #1 spot over at Hot AC within the week.
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Post by The Party Captain on Sept 14, 2010 18:45:27 GMT -5
It may not be payola. Maybe Train did a bunch of radio station promotion that way. I know my local Hot AC won't touch any non-core artist unless they do promotion for them.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 14, 2010 19:29:37 GMT -5
Your Hot AC doesn't consider Train a core artist? (Just wonderin...)
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