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Post by marv1978 on Nov 30, 2010 12:08:08 GMT -5
Ignore lily, she's a frequenter of multiple Goo Goo Dolls' fan boards (not to mention, a brief frequenter at that as since she keeps on getting herself kicked out of them) who has nothing better to do than to obsess over the tiniest of details to annoy others to no end, especially that of Notbroken's story because the woman at the centre of the story never came forward and said that the song is about her. Anyway, to answer your question Marv, the story is that Rzeznik met a woman at a meet and greet at some point in time who slipped him a note. It basically said that her husband was a soldier in Iraq who got injured over there and didn't want to come home because he was afraid that she wouldn't love him anymore in his new state because he felt he that he wasn't whole, that he was less. Even still, the woman doesn't care that he's changed and just wants him back. The song is basically Rzeznik speaking on behalf of the woman to the husband like a sort of love letter back to him. Having known the background of the song from the start, it's kind of interesting to wonder how people interpreted the song without it. :) that makes the song that much more meaningful! i bet a video for it telling the story would be awesome! thanks for the story Here Is Gone!
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Post by HereIsGone on Nov 30, 2010 14:55:59 GMT -5
Not a problem. :)
As far as I know, there are soldiers and a leading lady in it mixed with some performance shots done with green screen. Don't know which way it's gonna go, but at least it's in the right direction.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 30, 2010 16:28:14 GMT -5
Not a problem. :) As far as I know, there are soldiers and a leading lady in it mixed with some performance shots done with green screen. Don't know which way it's gonna go, but at least it's in the right direction. Sounds cool! This song gives me goose bumps when i hear it, love Johny's vocals, always have! With decent promotion and a good video i see no stopping the top 10 streak at hot ac!
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 7:46:43 GMT -5
i see no stopping the top 10 streak at hot ac! I do... 37 35 GOO GOO DOLLS Notbroken 390 344 46 This is flopping pretty bad, and it's painful for me to watch cause IMO they had some of the best songs of the 90s and 2000s (Iris, Name, Slide, Black Balloon, Here Is Gone, Sympathy, Better Days) I'd much rather see them do an album of remakes than an album of stuff filled with cliches and lyrics they've already used in other songs
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 8, 2010 9:19:56 GMT -5
i see no stopping the top 10 streak at hot ac! I do... 37 35 GOO GOO DOLLS Notbroken 390 344 46 This is flopping pretty bad, and it's painful for me to watch cause IMO they had some of the best songs of the 90s and 2000s (Iris, Name, Slide, Black Balloon, Here Is Gone, Sympathy, Better Days) I'd much rather see them do an album of remakes than an album of stuff filled with cliches and lyrics they've already used in other songs nuh! it's fine, have faith. every bullet is weird around this time of year especially for impacting songs that haven't built up steam. WBMX Boston just added this, which is #10 market. I talked with the music man over at WPLJ and trhey plan on bumping it up after the new year. It hasn't even gone for official adds yet. The video is just now being cmpleted,not even serviced to vh1 yet. patience my friend lol. The sdame way i bet "All In" wouldn't flop, i'm willing to back my prediction up $$$ lol jp don't ban me!
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 8, 2010 9:36:55 GMT -5
I remember getting "Notbroken" in my DMDS folder a few weeks back and it saying something like Impacting Adult Top 40 Radio Jan. 10 or 11th but on your desk now. So it was a mass email type deal they do in DMDs and all digital music servicing to stations, so the option to play early was there before impact date. The only thing that could keep this out of top 10 is timing, like i say only 10 songs can fit, and if you got 15 songs that all deserve to be top 10 sometimes they all get lucky and get a few weeks in, but sometimes due to the songs out around it, they fall short.
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 14:49:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna say. If this were at the time Home went out and had an adds date, then yeah, then you could call that a flop. But as I've been paying attention to the numbers, it's been gradually increasing in audience and holding pretty much steady for spins. I think it's got legs to hold its own until the adds date.
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 15:05:36 GMT -5
I'd much rather see them do an album of remakes than an album of stuff filled with cliches and lyrics they've already used in other songs While I admit that even I find that some of John's songs are guilty of this on Something For the Rest of Us, that's kind of an unfair blanket statement there.
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 8, 2010 15:08:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna say. If this were at the time Home went out and had an adds date, then yeah, then you could call that a flop. But as I've been paying attention to the numbers, it's been gradually increasing in audience and holding pretty much steady for spins. I think it's got legs to hold its own until the adds date. It does! :) I've never knew how much negativity alot of artists have until i found this board lol, especially the ones that are established and it's like build them up, pray they fall, bring in the next big thing attitude,idk.
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 15:26:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna say. If this were at the time Home went out and had an adds date, then yeah, then you could call that a flop. But as I've been paying attention to the numbers, it's been gradually increasing in audience and holding pretty much steady for spins. I think it's got legs to hold its own until the adds date. It does! :) I've never knew how much negativity alot of artists have until i found this board lol, especially the ones that are established and it's like build them up, pray they fall, bring in the next big thing attitude,idk. Well, if they're all proved wrong by the charts, that's all that matters. I mean, personally, I wouldn't have picked Notbroken myself, but hey, if that's what they think is gonna work, doesn't matter to me. This one is really fun to see live since John really gets into it. I believe they are going to do Kimmel December 14th so hopefully they'll let them do their own thing with this.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 18:30:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I was gonna say. If this were at the time Home went out and had an adds date, then yeah, then you could call that a flop. But as I've been paying attention to the numbers, it's been gradually increasing in audience and holding pretty much steady for spins. I think it's got legs to hold its own until the adds date. It does! :) I've never knew how much negativity alot of artists have until i found this board lol, especially the ones that are established and it's like build them up, pray they fall, bring in the next big thing attitude,idk. It's the listen to a song and decide whether you like it attitude, and it almost seems like a lot of people here don't understand that - like the Goo Goo Dolls should automatically hit #1 with every song they put out, forever, because they're the Goo Goo Dolls and this is Hot AC Idk, but I can almost guarantee listeners aren't gonna feel that way (which is why IMO Home was such a marginal "hit") Had no clue that this hadn't gone for adds yet, though
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 18:47:45 GMT -5
Weird. The vast, vast majority of people I know who've listened to it consider this better than Let Love In. Not that it isn't a bad album per se, but if any of their albums can be accused of songs bleeding into one another thematically, it'd be that one.
Edit -- Ok. My post no longer makes sense since you've spliced everything out that I was talking to about past eras.
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 19:00:21 GMT -5
It's the listen to a song and decide whether you like it attitude, and it almost seems like a lot of people here don't understand that - like the Goo Goo Dolls should automatically hit #1 with every song they put out, forever, because they're the Goo Goo Dolls and this is Hot AC Idk, but I can almost guarantee listeners aren't gonna feel that way (which is why IMO Home was such a marginal "hit") Had no clue that this hadn't gone for adds yet, though I agree, I don't think bands should automatically be locked in for a hit just on the basis of name recognition. Like, take Lifehouse for example. If they follow up with their guess that they'll probably choose Falling In as their third single, I would not be too pleased with that because they have so many better songs for singles and not think too highly of where it'd chart. I will be the first to admit, I was shocked when Home hit top 10. Personally, I did not think it was a radio-friendly song and it did stick out (not necessarily in a good way) the odd times I had the radio on and heard it. Pleased as punch to hear it but still. There's a difference between a good song and a good radio song. Even with Notbroken, I don't feel it's that radio-friendly either but hell, if other people feel that it is and it paves the way for a third single, I'll be rooting for it.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 19:01:34 GMT -5
Weird. The vast, vast majority of people I know who've listened to it consider this better than Let Love In. How do CD sales for this compare to Let Love In?
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 19:03:04 GMT -5
Even with Notbroken, I don't feel it's that radio-friendly either but hell, if other people feel that it is and it paves the way for a third single, I'll be rooting for it. Yeah, that's actually true for me too - I guess I've just kind of given up on this CD, just from listening to a bunch of other tracks on YouTube
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 19:09:33 GMT -5
Weird. The vast, vast majority of people I know who've listened to it consider this better than Let Love In. How do CD sales for this compare to Let Love In? Yeah, they were in the toilet. This only debuted at 34k and I believe LLI debuted at 82k in '06? Unfortunately the timing sucked for SFTROU (end of August) and WBR barely did any promoting for it. I don't think LLI has gone Gold but I could be wrong; there are conflicting reports in regards to that.
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 19:13:11 GMT -5
Even with Notbroken, I don't feel it's that radio-friendly either but hell, if other people feel that it is and it paves the way for a third single, I'll be rooting for it. Yeah, that's actually true for me too - I guess I've just kind of given up on this CD, just from listening to a bunch of other tracks on YouTube If you remember, which ones did you listen to? I'm not making excuses for this album because there are indeed songs that tread over worn ground but there are some that stray a bit.
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 8, 2010 19:21:09 GMT -5
As long as artists keep putting out good material i think they deserve it, but when the Goo's put out a bad record it will do badly lol. And very important when programming, it's not listen to the song and if u like it, it's a #1, it's listen and decide if it's a hit, if it will appeal to people. As a songwriter you haft to be able to tell a good hook and song before you put it out or you'd toss the paper in the trash can and try again. Example; my personal fav band Matchbox Twenty deserved every top 10 they had and a couple they could've lol, but "last beautiful girl" and "downfall" were not as strong by any means and deserved they're #19 and#28 peaks. "notbroken" is a top 10 hit! wait til' u see the video, the lyrics are not bad, they are simplistic as the song is beautifully simple and it's message in the video.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 19:31:58 GMT -5
when the Goo's put out a bad record it will do badly lol. They did, and it has HereIsGone - I had to go check - I listened to Still Your Song and As I Am, and then kind of gave up Sorry to be so negative lol - it's just that literally my two favorite Hot AC bands of the last decade both put out CDs that I really don't like
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 19:34:28 GMT -5
Yeah....you didn't check much and I can see why you got that impression. Lol. And if you don't mind me asking, which was the other band?
Try this:
And this:
They're the least like the ones you mentioned (especially the latter) other than Robby songs.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 8, 2010 19:58:41 GMT -5
^Yeah IMO Sweetest Lie is better than the other stuff I've heard, but it doesn't sound to me like something that could be put out as a single Last CD (Let Love In) I was blown away by Better Days and Can't Let It Go - there's just nothing on SFTROU that gets me excited about it - and can't believe they have a song called Hey Ya (talk about not being original) Oh yeah, Lifehouse was my other ex-favorite band before the latest CD But lol I gotta get on some other threads of songs I really like - thanks for the video links!
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 8, 2010 21:08:55 GMT -5
^Yeah IMO Sweetest Lie is better than the other stuff I've heard, but it doesn't sound to me like something that could be put out as a single Last CD (Let Love In) I was blown away by Better Days and Can't Let It Go - there's just nothing on SFTROU that gets me excited about it - and can't believe they have a song called Hey Ya (talk about not being original) Oh yeah, Lifehouse was my other ex-favorite band before the latest CD But lol I gotta get on some other threads of songs I really like - thanks for the video links! To me, Rzeznik's vocals are the best they've sounded since the "Dizzy Up The Girl" era (he sounded worn out on "Let Love In" in particular overall) on their latest release, and I actually also think there are more potential "moments" on this record than there were on "Let Love In" (they are "Sweetest Lie", "Notbroken", "Still Your Song" and to a slightly lesser extent "One Night" and "Soldier"). That said, I can understand why it's a little difficult to flat out rate this above "Let Love In" hands-down, in that I specifically said "potential moments" just now, and I say that because the overproduction ruins the full emotional appeal of the songs despite Rzeznik's efforts. In a less glossed-over form, all those aforementioned songs could really stand out and have staying power well into the band's future among concert setlists and their most devoted fans.............and I think they will regardless..............but the band almost allowed their material to be as diluted and butchered as possible by corporate executive politics, and even their potential moments can't help but sound forgettable on record because of that. All in all, I would rank their current era above "Let Love In", but that's sadly not saying much, as both eras pale tragically in comparison to "Gutterflower", which benefited from a clean and melodic but muscular production with plenty of edge ("Truth Is A Whisper", "What A Scene", "Big Machine" and "What Do You Need" especially leading the charge) while also excellently representing Rzeznik's more introspective side ("Sympathy", "Here Is Gone", "It's Over") without feeling imbalanced. There was a lot of cohesion that era and the way they sought a radio-friendly sound that era worked because it didn't sound compromised, especially in that Rzeznik wrote from a darker, more personal space than ever then. Since "Gutterflower", it just appears as though they've tapped their creative well dry, and if not for Rzeznik's effortless ability to provide emotional gravitas to even a generic set of lyrics, there would be no point of me continuing to listen, sadly. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 21:23:31 GMT -5
^Yeah IMO Sweetest Lie is better than the other stuff I've heard, but it doesn't sound to me like something that could be put out as a single Last CD (Let Love In) I was blown away by Better Days and Can't Let It Go - there's just nothing on SFTROU that gets me excited about it - and can't believe they have a song called Hey Ya (talk about not being original) Oh yeah, Lifehouse was my other ex-favorite band before the latest CD But lol I gotta get on some other threads of songs I really like - thanks for the video links! Lol. Not a problem. I don't think either of them could be singles either but I just wanted to show that they're not all the same. Yeah, part of Lifehouse's newest rubbed me the wrong way because of the dance influence (or whatever you'd call the slight unnatural change in sound on Here Tomorrow Gone Today and Halfway Gone) on some of the tracks but there are some good ones so it's not like the era's completely wasted on me. As far as GGD goes, Hey Ya bugs the crap out of me. Not only in name but if there was one song that retreads lyric territory, that is the most blatant offender (that and I really can't take it seriously).
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 8, 2010 21:58:46 GMT -5
@lispinghibiscus I wholeheartedly agree with everything. They had this record done around late summer in '09 and WBR had them rework the production (I'm not sure if I believe the band when they say they were the ones who wanted to tweak it so which party is to blame, I'm not sure). It would have been interesting to see what the original mixes with Tim Palmer sounded like. As far as live performances go, from the songs they've done live (Sweetest Lie, As I Am, Home, Notbroken, One Night, Now I Hear and Something For the Rest of Us), with the exception of the title track and Robby's Now I Hear, they sound way better live (Robby's better in studio and the title track is on par with the studio version). Funnily enough, when they were asking fans what they wanted as the first single around April, nearly everyone wanted Home out of the four 'new' songs we knew of at the time (SL/AIA/Home/One Night) based on the strength of their live performance, not having heard the studio version. And when the studio version showed up (this was the album version, not even the radio edit that killed the solo out of it) in early May, I'll admit that it was missing something. As far as Let Love In goes, the main reasons why I said the vast majority of people I know prefer SFTROU over it was mainly because after a 4 year wait following Gutterflower, all they got were 9 new songs (Better Days and the Give a Little Bit cover had already been independent singles), muddled Glen Ballard over-production over songs that were very interchangeable lyrically (heck, the album title pretty much summed it up). While not perfect, for another 4 year wait, SFTROU delivered more overall to those people even if it didn't reach the heights of Gutterflower/Dizzy Up The Girl. Personally, I thought the record could have stood to add more 'rockier' songs but I did appreciate a lot of things they did to some of the songs sonically though some things lyrically weren't as adventurous. Things didn't bleed together so that was a plus in my books. Overall, it felt like the album they should have made between Let Love In and Gutterflower because I saw elements of both interestingly enough. So I guess this pretty much bolsters your thoughts on all levels, hence the whole-hearted agreeing. Sorry if I'm getting this thread too off topic, it's nice to talk to people who look at things realistically and don't praise everything the band does. I'm a sucker for balanced discussion.
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 9, 2010 9:12:14 GMT -5
I felt bad about the negativity comment :o, so i just want to say i know everyone has they're own tastes and opinions and thats what makes this board interesting and keeps me coming back, so i didn't mean to rip on it. i respect alot of members on here! I just feel saying i hate a song, is truthful where saying this is igonna bomb is opinion and negative at the beginning of a chart run. But other than that, it's all good. The singles will do as they will :)
Now that i've said my peace about that and said sorry,
IMO, all program director and songwriting trades aside, my personal taste here: these are my top 10 fav Goo songs ever ranked below!
1. "Big Machine" 2. "Broadway" 3. "Can't Let It Go" 4. "Sympathy" 5. "Iris" 6. "Notbroken" 7. "Home" 8. "Better Days" 9. "Slide" 10. "Here Is Gone"
close 11. "Soldier"
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 9, 2010 22:08:20 GMT -5
Idk, for me, what makes this board exciting is reading people's different opinions - if people really like a song, or think it's gonna do well, IMO it's fun to read why, and if they don't like it, or think it's gonna flop, IMO it's still fun to read why
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 10, 2010 2:44:11 GMT -5
I felt bad about the negativity comment :o, so i just want to say i know everyone has they're own tastes and opinions and thats what makes this board interesting and keeps me coming back, so i didn't mean to rip on it. i respect alot of members on here! I just feel saying i hate a song, is truthful where saying this is igonna bomb is opinion and negative at the beginning of a chart run. But other than that, it's all good. The singles will do as they will :) Now that i've said my peace about that and said sorry, IMO, all program director and songwriting trades aside, my personal taste here: these are my top 10 fav Goo songs ever ranked below! 1. "Big Machine" 2. "Broadway" 3. "Can't Let It Go" 4. "Sympathy" 5. "Iris" 6. "Notbroken" 7. "Home" 8. "Better Days" 9. "Slide" 10. "Here Is Gone" close 11. "Soldier" Here's how I'd rate their top songs: * 1: "Two Days In February" (A stirring, exquisitely performed non-single that signaled the band's transition to crossover appeal later on. "Name" essentially took off where this song left off) 2: "Name" (About as intimate as Goo Goo Dolls singles have ever gotten. In addition, the unique tuning and instrumental breakdown gives this song quite a unique texture that immediately makes it stand out from their other material) 3: "Iris" (A pretty obvious entry. It sounds big, it emotes in a way few other songs do, and it also reignited Rzeznik's creative process after a writer's block at the time.) 4: "Truth Is A Whisper" (About as dark as a Goo Goo Dolls song has ever gotten, and this song showcases better than any other song of theirs Rzeznik's angst against a jarring, heavy riff and militant drumbeat: an edge their last two albums have sorely lacked) 5: "Fallin' Down" (As far as their rockers are concerned, none hit as hard and infectiously as this. Even today I get excited when I hear the song's bouncy riff) 6: "Long Way Down" (Let's face it: fans still get giddy hearing this in concert in a way many of their post-breakthrough singles don't quite do) 7: "Sympathy" (Another record that captures Rzeznik's effortless ability to convey his angst in an introspective way best) 8: "All Eyes On Me" (This song is Exhibit A regarding how the Goo Goo Dolls can really sound epic when they want to) 9: "Here Is Gone" (This has a great personal, emotional connect while sounding as radio-friendly as they've ever gotten) 10: "Black Balloon" (The lyrics make this stand out from most other releases of theirs, especially with the personal story behind the song) * To give a sense where the first entries from their two most recent albums would chime in, I'd probably place "Still Your Song" at around #15 behind "Ain't That Unusual", "Slide", "Acoustic #3" and "Big Machine", and right above "What A Scene" at #16 as the first entry from "Something For The Rest Of Us", and then place "Can't Let It Go" as the first entry from "Let Love In" probably around #22 behind "Naked", "Broadway", "Notbroken", "Girl Right Next To Me" and "Flat Top" (regardless of my criticisms of their two most recent albums, it's still by and large better than their first two albums, which are fun listening to due to their energy level and not taking themselves seriously but don't have many fleshed-out songs individually, and while I like "Hold Me Up" and "Superstar Car Wash" more than both albums, I also will admit the songwriting is more complete on their newest albums between the two, and what makes "Hold Me Up" and "Superstar Car Wash" better is the energy level and incredible sense of melody and hook-writing). Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 10, 2010 6:14:37 GMT -5
MY TOP 10 GOO GOO DOLLS: 1. Black Balloon 2. Name 3. Here Is Gone 4. Slide 5. Sympathy 6. I'm Still Here/John Rzeznik 7. Can't Let It Go 8. Better Days 9. What A Scene 10. Before It's Too Late
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Post by HereIsGone on Dec 10, 2010 11:31:34 GMT -5
I envy you all. I can't make top 10 lists for songs to save my life. XD
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Post by marv1978 on Dec 13, 2010 18:58:38 GMT -5
2 more adds today & WPLJ was 1 of them! ;)
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