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Post by Hook on Nov 27, 2010 22:35:40 GMT -5
I'm not happy about it! Based on the AI, it seems like it's the major market Hot ACs that are becoming more and more like CHRs. Although my local station just added the Usher song and we're really small.
Meanwhile, songs that are perfect for the format (Ryan Star, Hedley, Natasha, Buble) struggle to make their way up.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 27, 2010 22:46:46 GMT -5
I'm not happy about it! Based on the AI, it seems like it's the major market Hot ACs that are becoming more and more like CHRs. Yeah I think it's cause the major-market CHRs are so Rhythmic - once WPLJ started to become more CHR-like I think it was kind of a lost cause
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 27, 2010 23:50:47 GMT -5
This is crazy lol... 17 15 USHER F/ PITBULL DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love 1834 1621 213 20 18 RIHANNA Only Girl (In The World) 1298 1060 238 22 21 NELLY Just A Dream 1159 1016 143 Looks like Hot AC is definitely going "Adult CHR" - Do you guys know how the spin totals compare to the spin totals from last year? I don't mind these songs doing this well here. "DJ" is a terrific adult leaning dance song that is also perfect for the clubs. I think this is an example of one of those perfect pop songs that click just as well with adults as it does with the kids. Ditto for "Only Girl (In The World)", especially since Rihanna is almost a Hot AC core artist now. "Just A Dream" doesn't do a lot for me, but it has a little of that same "Over And Over" vibe from a few years ago that seemed to appeal with adults, with the help of Tim McGraw of course. I personally wasn't a big fan of "Over And Over", but considering that was a moderate Hot AC hit five years ago before pop music really took hold here, it probably is not surprising that JAD is scoring well here too. Once again, my major gripe is with rap music infiltrating the Hot AC chart. "DJ" sounds better on Hot AC without the rap interlude, and some stations are playing the "edited" version without the rap. Some HAC's however are playing the rap version as well which doesn't bode well for fans of the format that listen to Hot AC radio to get away from rap. The compromise here of course is for Hot AC stations to play the non-rap version of these songs. WTMX in Chicago plays the rap version, while our so-called "AC" station Fresh 105.9 is playing the non-rap version. Their playlist is starting to sound more like the Mix's each day with the major exception of Eminem and Ke$ha not being played there. But all other rhythmic songs being played on Fresh have had the rap edited out, which is what Hot AC radio should be doing. Hopefully a "happy" medium can be struck here to keep fans of the Hot AC format happy.
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 27, 2010 23:58:17 GMT -5
I'm not happy about it! Based on the AI, it seems like it's the major market Hot ACs that are becoming more and more like CHRs. Although my local station just added the Usher song and we're really small. Meanwhile, songs that are perfect for the format (Ryan Star, Hedley, Natasha, Buble) struggle to make their way up. To clarify, three of the four artists you mentioned have had major Hot AC hits. It's just that the current hits from these artists have been struggling a bit. "Start A Fire" by Star is still moving up the Hot AC chart, but what a shame to "Strip Me" and "Hollywood" peaking in the top 30 when about five years ago these are at least top 15 hits if not higher. And Hedley, a major Canadian artist that has failed to grab a foothold here is at least enjoying their first top 30 hit in the U.S., but nothing really to indicate that they will break through with a huge hit here. Hopefully that will change soon, but perhaps Triple A radio will fit better for them. I know there will be a place for a Hot AC format that is more modern leaning than we have seen for a few years. Perhaps mainstream AC radio will "morph" into that type of format, but it is unfortunate that those above artists now all of the sudden aren't guaranteed success with their most current music because of the shift in the sound of Hot AC radio. Maybe there will eventually be some shifting back towards the center one of these years.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 27, 2010 23:59:00 GMT -5
This is crazy lol... 17 15 USHER F/ PITBULL DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love 1834 1621 213 20 18 RIHANNA Only Girl (In The World) 1298 1060 238 22 21 NELLY Just A Dream 1159 1016 143 Looks like Hot AC is definitely going "Adult CHR" - Do you guys know how the spin totals compare to the spin totals from last year? I don't mind these songs doing this well here. Do you think they would've done this well a couple years ago though? Just seems to me like if Just Dance were released this week it would be a strong contender for #1 (instead of peaking in the teens I think a few years back)
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 28, 2010 0:01:35 GMT -5
I know there will be a place for a Hot AC format that is more modern leaning than we have seen for a few years. Perhaps mainstream AC radio will "morph" into that type of format, This might be out on a limb, but I almost think Alternative is starting to fill in the gap where Modern AC used to be (Mumford & Sons, Florence + The Machine, Kings Of Leon, mellower Linkin Park, etc.) - someone from the Rock forum on another board posted that Alternative playlists are getting much mellower than they were a couple years ago, but I guess it depends on the station
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 28, 2010 0:19:32 GMT -5
I don't mind these songs doing this well here. Do you think they would've done this well a couple years ago though? Just seems to me like if Just Dance were released this week it would be a strong contender for #1 (instead of peaking in the teens I think a few years back) No, absolutely not. They would all be lucky to hit the top 30. Perhaps Rihanna would, but the others, unlikely. FYI, "Just Dance" I believe did peak at #8 on Mediabase, which was very respectable for this type of song at that time. But #1 would be much more assessible for her if it was released now, considering how strong a recurrent it still is after all this time.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Nov 28, 2010 11:44:36 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the Usher song as long as the rap is cut out. Songs like this remind me of when R&B songs would cross over to Pop in the '80s. It's the rap that really gets me and wish would never appear on HAC.
As to the question above about spin totals, on the 11/29/09 HAC chart, "Already Gone" was #1 with a total of 3966 spins. #10 was "Never Gonna Be Alone" with 2451 spins. #20 had 1124 spins, #30 525 spins, and #40 283 spins.
IMHO, this transition in HAC reminds me of what happened in the early '90s before CHR split into CHR/Pop and CHR/Rhythmic and what happened in the early '00s when consultants told CHR/Pop programmers that the "poppy" stuff was out and that they need to go Rhythmic leaning.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 28, 2010 12:34:59 GMT -5
As to the question above about spin totals, on the 11/29/09 HAC chart, "Already Gone" was #1 with a total of 3966 spins. #10 was "Never Gonna Be Alone" with 2451 spins. #20 had 1124 spins, #30 525 spins, and #40 283 spins. So that's about 250 more spins for the powers- split on average between 90 stations, that sets power rotation about 27-28 spins higher than this time last year (assuming the popularity of the #1 songs was about the same) So, on average, HACs are spinning their powers almost 30 spins higher than they were last year :o
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 28, 2010 21:29:55 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the Usher song as long as the rap is cut out. Songs like this remind me of when R&B songs would cross over to Pop in the '80s. It's the rap that really gets me and wish would never appear on HAC. Yup. Same here. The rap is what gets me and many listeners. And those who say the current core of Hot AC listeners don't mind rap because they grew up on it are not entirely right. The ones who do would probably split time listening to Hot AC and CHR. But many here don't because they outgrew rap. Just because someone liked a certain genre of music when they were 18 doesn't mean they will still like it when they are 30. Peoples' tastes change over time and many come to this format to get away from the rap. That's why it concerns us when so many "Hot AC" stations play rap, whether they are the "defacto" CHR or not.
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Post by overboard on Nov 28, 2010 22:24:34 GMT -5
WTMX in Chicago plays the rap version, while our so-called "AC" station Fresh 105.9 is playing the non-rap version. Their playlist is starting to sound more like the Mix's each day with the major exception of Eminem and Ke$ha not being played there. But all other rhythmic songs being played on Fresh have had the rap edited out, which is what Hot AC radio should be doing. Hopefully a "happy" medium can be struck here to keep fans of the Hot AC format happy. The closest thing you can get to real HAC radio in Chicago is by listening to WTMX's new music hour. Biggest problem in this area is the ridiculous overlap. Heres the top 3 played artists on the Chicago Rhythmic, Pop, HAC, and AC stations. RhythmicRihanna Katy Perry Bruno Mars PopRihanna Taio Cruz Bruno Mars HACPink Bruno Mars Rihanna ACBruno Mars La Roux Taio Cruz You can continue to see this overlap as you go further down their playlist and I am sure there have been times when all four stations are playing the same song. For the third ranked market to be this saturated across the board is a problem. People change stations because they want to hear something different. In Chicago, the only station worth listening to for music is the rhythmic one as that is where all of the music originates from.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Nov 30, 2010 14:11:33 GMT -5
[blue] 11/28/10 [/blue] #1: "Just the Way You Are" spends a second week at the #1 spot this week. Oldest Song:"All in" and "September" with 26 weeks. Oldest Song below #15: "Cooler than Me" with 20 weeks Songs below #5 eligible to go recurrent when falling below #10: "September" and "All in". Songs below #10 eligible to go recurrent when falling below #15: None. Going to Recurrent "Cooler than Me" next week. Biggest Mover: "Waiting for the End" moves up 5 notches to #31 for the week's biggest move. Debuts: Ke$ha picks up a 4th hit with "We R Who We R", the highest debut at #34. The Goo Goo Dolls rack up a 16th hit with "Notbroken", coming in at #38. Newcomers to Hot AC The Ready Set anchor the chart at #40 with "Love Like Woe". Exiting the Survey: "I Run to You", 20 weeks, to recurrent "Your Love Is a Song", 14 weeks "Club Can't Handle Me", 4 weeks Other Notes: "Secrets" inches up to #3 this week. Taio Cruz climbs 2 to #7. The Plain White T's earn their third top 10 with "Rhythm of Love", which moves to #10 in its 18th week on the chart. Maroon 5 stall at #14 with "Give a Little More". No songs enter/exit the top 20 this week. Nelly holds at #21 for a third week with "Just a Dream". After leaping 8 notches last week, Katy Perry inches up 1 to #23 this week. "Perfect" moves up 2 to #28. Ingrid Michaelson breaks into the top 30, moving up 2 to #29 with "Parachute". Also entering the top 20 is Lee DeWyze with "Sweet Serendipity", which moves up 4 to #30. "Little Lion Man" jumps 4 to #36. After debuting at #38 last week, Orianthi slips to #39 this week. 10 songs on the chart this week are also on the Rhythmic chart. Ouch! of the Week: "The Sound of Sunshine" falls 4 notches to #32. Song with the biggest spin increase: "Firework" (Around a 300 spin increase). Song with the biggest spin loss: "Mine" (Nearly a 300 spin loss) Note: Mediabase's "Last Week" positions are off for some songs, including the #1 song! Top 50 Hot AC chart can be found at: www.americasmusiccharts.com/index.cgi?fmt=A2 All chart data © Mediabase Research
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 30, 2010 22:29:56 GMT -5
WTMX in Chicago plays the rap version, while our so-called "AC" station Fresh 105.9 is playing the non-rap version. Their playlist is starting to sound more like the Mix's each day with the major exception of Eminem and Ke$ha not being played there. But all other rhythmic songs being played on Fresh have had the rap edited out, which is what Hot AC radio should be doing. Hopefully a "happy" medium can be struck here to keep fans of the Hot AC format happy. The closest thing you can get to real HAC radio in Chicago is by listening to WTMX's new music hour. Biggest problem in this area is the ridiculous overlap. Heres the top 3 played artists on the Chicago Rhythmic, Pop, HAC, and AC stations. RhythmicRihanna Katy Perry Bruno Mars PopRihanna Taio Cruz Bruno Mars HACPink Bruno Mars Rihanna ACBruno Mars La Roux Taio Cruz You can continue to see this overlap as you go further down their playlist and I am sure there have been times when all four stations are playing the same song. For the third ranked market to be this saturated across the board is a problem. People change stations because they want to hear something different. In Chicago, the only station worth listening to for music is the rhythmic one as that is where all of the music originates from. Excellent post overboard! Although in all fairness, that Bruno Mars song (playing on Fresh 105.9 as I speak! ) is a perfect fit for all formats and has a very AC feel to it. The others though definitely are indicative of how much more rhythmic radio has become in recent years. When our so-called "mainstream AC" station plays many of those same songs, albeit without the rap, you know we are in the middle of a phase that may be around for awhile. Just to clarify though, that other mainstream AC station in Chicago that is playing the Christmas music for the next month is much more traditional sounding than those other stations, though even they have been known to play some rhythmic songs from time to time too.
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Post by overboard on Nov 30, 2010 23:06:28 GMT -5
we are in the middle of a phase that may be around for awhile. Sad but true. I really don't see it changing for awhile. Its been this way long enough to have shaped people's opinions. HAC smashes will still get enough play on every station, but anything that isnt a smash just isnt going to get any play here. On the bright side, at least Bieber rarely gets played anywhere in Chicago.
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